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Don't run very unit as a full units. doubles or singles. maybe one full unit. lots of small units will live longer and should be over all more effective.

mrfantastical wrote:

 Dez wrote:
Hahaha, I do play in every tournament I can and I enjoy every aspect of this hobby. My usual strategy for AV14 is ignore it and save it for last. I'd be in trouble against multiple Land Raiders, though I think my Deffrollas would help. I normally bring Battlewagons full of Lootaz, 3 Dakkajets, Nob Bikers and big squads of Shootas. Works ok for me, thoughI tend to murder in practice games and then barely pull out the win when it's go time. I love Flash Gitz and Manz, and bring them to almost all my friendly games. It'll be an added bonus if they are viable units.

To be fair I've been saving money for this release for over a year, so I have money to burn on frivolous models just to add to my collection

Well I'm glad AV14 isn't a pain for you. You seem to run the same units I do, and AV 14 is the bane of my existence. Regularly I run across multi-land raiders, or Leman Russ spam. I was hoping this book would give us a good reliable way of dealing with it other then another Zzap gun, or punch it more.

Deffrollas exist.


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 matphat wrote:
Does anyone else think that the new dimensions on the Mek Gunz might end up being a bit prohibitive on some deployments? As it is I can struggle to get all my models on the table in some of the smaller deployment zones, especially when they are filled with terrain. My old Big Gunz managed to fit, but not always strategically, and with both the size of the model increasing dramatically and the model count increasing by two per heavy slot, it seems having a full battery is going to be very hard to place and quite often. Has anyone gotten the actual dimensions yet?

How can we get dimensions on models that aren't out until next week?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
How can we get dimensions on models that aren't out until next week?

Estimate from the leaked images? We've got a few which show them next to bases.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

mrfantastical wrote:

 Dez wrote:
Hahaha, I do play in every tournament I can and I enjoy every aspect of this hobby. My usual strategy for AV14 is ignore it and save it for last. I'd be in trouble against multiple Land Raiders, though I think my Deffrollas would help. I normally bring Battlewagons full of Lootaz, 3 Dakkajets, Nob Bikers and big squads of Shootas. Works ok for me, thoughI tend to murder in practice games and then barely pull out the win when it's go time. I love Flash Gitz and Manz, and bring them to almost all my friendly games. It'll be an added bonus if they are viable units.

To be fair I've been saving money for this release for over a year, so I have money to burn on frivolous models just to add to my collection

Well I'm glad AV14 isn't a pain for you. You seem to run the same units I do, and AV 14 is the bane of my existence. Regularly I run across multi-land raiders, or Leman Russ spam. I was hoping this book would give us a good reliable way of dealing with it other then another Zzap gun, or punch it more.

Deffrollas exist.

Deffrollas were amazing in 5th, but ever since vehicles got the ability to move 12" and still shoot they haven't been as amazing for me.

 matphat wrote:
Does anyone else think that the new dimensions on the Mek Gunz might end up being a bit prohibitive on some deployments? As it is I can struggle to get all my models on the table in some of the smaller deployment zones, especially when they are filled with terrain. My old Big Gunz managed to fit, but not always strategically, and with both the size of the model increasing dramatically and the model count increasing by two per heavy slot, it seems having a full battery is going to be very hard to place and quite often. Has anyone gotten the actual dimensions yet?

I was actually wondering that as well. Vanguard deployments are already really painful for my Orks. Just being able to fit everything onto the board in a meaningful way can be difficult. You spend your entire first turn sometimes just moving some units out of the way of other units so that they can move and shoot where you need them to. Lots of Big Guns with those large sizes look like they'd be really difficult to deploy... especially if you're taking 5 of them.

On a related note with the guns - I'd been thinking about strategy with them, and I'd completely forgotten that Skyfire lets you roll normal Ballistic skill against Skimmers, regardless of whether or not they're zooming. The same thing with Monstrous Creatures.

That give the Tracktor guns a huge advantage against Tau and Eldar, and Tyranids and Deamons. We don't have to worry about bringing Tracktor cannons, only to have them not be useful because the opponent has no fliers. Monstrous Creatures in glide mode are still fair game as well.

I predict a lot of people are going to be allying with Orks in the coming months just to put a few Tracktor Cannons on the table.


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mrfantastical wrote:

Deffrollas were amazing in 5th, but ever since vehicles got the ability to move 12" and still shoot they haven't been as amazing for me.

Agreed. This and pre-measuring killed the Deffrolla. It's incredibly easy for an opponent to stay out of Deffrolla range if they want to.

Before I shelved my Orks in 6th Edition, I'd removed Deffrollas from all my Battlewagons and took Reinforced Rams instead. I usually had 2-3 Battlewagons in most of my lists and overtime I just came to realize that the 40-60 points I was spending on Deffrollas was essentially being wasted.

I'm also in the camp of those who waits for the codex to hit the shelves before deciding what I will buy.
In my personal case, I'm a gamer first and a collector second and will only buy models that are not broken game wise (OP or Crappy) and fits my general game style.
Example: after I saw the effectiveness of the wave serpent, I stopped buying more after my first one. (but I am someone who likes combined arms and variety in units. Other than troops, I will rarelly take the same unit twice)

Murrdox wrote:

 matphat wrote:
Does anyone else think that the new dimensions on the Mek Gunz might end up being a bit prohibitive on some deployments? As it is I can struggle to get all my models on the table in some of the smaller deployment zones, especially when they are filled with terrain. My old Big Gunz managed to fit, but not always strategically, and with both the size of the model increasing dramatically and the model count increasing by two per heavy slot, it seems having a full battery is going to be very hard to place and quite often. Has anyone gotten the actual dimensions yet?

I was actually wondering that as well.

First thing that came to my mind when I saw the bulkiness of the model.

Murrdox wrote:

mrfantastical wrote:

Deffrollas were amazing in 5th, but ever since vehicles got the ability to move 12" and still shoot they haven't been as amazing for me.

Agreed. This and pre-measuring killed the Deffrolla. It's incredibly easy for an opponent to stay out of Deffrolla range if they want to.

Before I shelved my Orks in 6th Edition, I'd removed Deffrollas from all my Battlewagons and took Reinforced Rams instead. I usually had 2-3 Battlewagons in most of my lists and overtime I just came to realize that the 40-60 points I was spending on Deffrollas was essentially being wasted.

What do you equip your BW with?

Deffrollas have been standard on my wagons all though 6th, and they have always, ALWAYS, been worth it. Even when they aren't actually rolling deff, they make my wagons a much more valuable target to the enemy, and they also cause lots of pressure on the table. Murrdox, you actually prove my argument with your statement that the enemy just stays out of range. If they are being forced to stay out of range, then using the deffrollas actually gives you battle field control you otherwise wouldn't have. A definite advantage on the table.

Having a deff roll on a battle wagon makes the enemy pause and not want anything to do with getting into that 1" radius. It pushes the enemy back as you move forward which can be fantastically potent.

Main website updated with Mek gunz and Mek

Where are my 'new buggy' rumors! Are they really not giving us a new buggy kit? I was really looking forward to busting out Gorkamorka with the new face-lift trukks and buggies! Maybe I should start making my own cool 3rd party buggy parts...the current model is going on 18 years old now! Also, what of the rumors of a modular def-kopta box with all of the weapon options?!

mrfantastical wrote:
Deffrollas were amazing in 5th, but ever since vehicles got the ability to move 12" and still shoot they haven't been as amazing for me.

That's fair. I was just making a point that you'd forgotten about them in your list of things Orks have that can hurt AV14.

GW website is updated with Big Guns and Big Mek.

Models look FANTASTIC!

Can't wait for the book

right here's the Mek Gun Sprues from the GW website





certainly kit bashable, but maybe fewer bits than I'd hoped

on the other hands the grots will be ideal for many things, and the split wide wheels can fairly easily be made into 2 pairs rather than one...

To the shopping cart!

"This multi-part plastic kit makes one of four possible Mek Gunz and has a six-strong grot crew. It can be assembled as a bubblechukka, a smasha gun, a traktor kannon or a kustom mega-kannon."

So, confirmation these new kit do NOT include bits for the "old" big gunz ...

 nflagey wrote:
"This multi-part plastic kit makes one of four possible Mek Gunz and has a six-strong grot crew. It can be assembled as a bubblechukka, a smasha gun, a traktor kannon or a kustom mega-kannon."

So, confirmation these new kit do NOT include bits for the "old" big gunz ...

Oh man, a bubblechucka!? These are all bringing me back to epic! Maybe we'll see Speedstas with these weapon options in the future!?

 nflagey wrote:
"This multi-part plastic kit makes one of four possible Mek Gunz and has a six-strong grot crew. It can be assembled as a bubblechukka, a smasha gun, a traktor kannon or a kustom mega-kannon."

So, confirmation these new kit do NOT include bits for the "old" big gunz ...

Yep. Some finecast cannons, then! The Gunz look pretty nice. Could use a couple more bitz to kustomize each of the 15 a bit more, but I agree with other poster that the grotz are pretty nice, and that justifies the price a bit.

Honestly, those sprues look really low on extra bitz. If you plan on kitbashing three extra gunz out those extra bits, you're going to be scratch building, not kit bashing.

..and look at this Gents

I love This design.

 nflagey wrote:
"This multi-part plastic kit makes one of four possible Mek Gunz and has a six-strong grot crew. It can be assembled as a bubblechukka, a smasha gun, a traktor kannon or a kustom mega-kannon."

So, confirmation these new kit do NOT include bits for the "old" big gunz ...

Which makes me wonder what we are expected to field for the old gunz. Are we supposed to use the new Mek Gunz and 'counts-as"?

I feel like 1 Gun and 1 Trukk can make 4 Gun platforms based upon those parts. I also suspect the bitz sites will have the 'platform' or 'guns' for fractions of the cost in case someone wanted 5 guns to kitbash stuff or wanted 5 platforms with no grots/guns.

Slightly unimpressed by the sprues, it makes either of the three Mek guns, but as far as I can see the only real variance between the three is the end of the gun. Meh. I was hoping that the barrels would at least have a few options in terms of ammo, barrel and addons.

I think I might pick up one kit, simply so atleast ive bought one, I can then kitbash and scratchbuild using the gun ends and make the kit abit more varied.

 matphat wrote:

 nflagey wrote:
"This multi-part plastic kit makes one of four possible Mek Gunz and has a six-strong grot crew. It can be assembled as a bubblechukka, a smasha gun, a traktor kannon or a kustom mega-kannon."

So, confirmation these new kit do NOT include bits for the "old" big gunz ...

Which makes me wonder what we are expected to field for the old gunz. Are we supposed to use the new Mek Gunz and 'counts-as"?

My guess is that they are gone.

Edit: Forget it, I just remembered the WD write up for them...

 matphat wrote:
Honestly, those sprues look really low on extra bitz. If you plan on kitbashing three extra gunz out those extra bits, you're going to be scratch building, not kit bashing.

that's my feeling too ... the main part of the kannons is the same for all four variants: it's that drill type of piece on the first sprue

GW has gone incredibly wrong on this kit. I'm furious.
I was hoping we got loads of extra bitz for such a high price.
Guess I'll scratchbuild all of them with other kits...

Yeah, I'm scratchbuilding/kitbashing to achieve these guns, no way in hell I'm paying that price for a single artillery piece.

Trukk, 2 sets of Mek Gunz, BW upgrade sprue and I should be able to make 4, possibly 5...

One will be without wheels, but I think it will work. .

I think we're underestimating the number of bits involved there, but oh well.

Value for money really isn't their thing is it. One sprue for the sag mek and two for the gunz. :S

 pretre wrote:
I think we're underestimating the number of bits involved there, but oh well.

I wish I could agree with you, but honestly, after looking at those sprues, I find it hard to imagine having more than the extra gun tips (3), and a few left overs (gubbins) after building the gun. The platform, barrel, and almost all the other bits look like standard build pieces, with only the gun tips, and a few little bits and bobs that aren't essential.

Are GW sprues standard sizes? Can we get an estimate of the model dimensions from those images?