Stashgordon36 wrote:
Maybe GW leaked this fake codex to be extremely brutal and cunning before the good one hits next weekend...

BooBoo wrote:
Are the stats for the HQ Mek (not Big Mek) the same as a normal boy?

Can Pain Boys get 'Eavy Amor?

Is the Strenght of the Zzap gun still random?

Are Kannons and Lobbas unchanged?

Sorry if this has been answered already but what is the effect of the Boss Pole?

 streamdragon wrote:
Yeah guys, totally chill! I mean it's not like people have listed known issues or anything!

 Melcavuk wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
I've been trying to follow this thread but as I'm not an ork player it gets kind of confusing. Can someone break it down for me. What's the good, what's the bad and what's the blah?
Power level?
Fluffy?
Anything else?

I'd say respectable mid tier. Its no tau but it doesnt seem tyranid to me.

I like it, I think alot of the unit choices are fun, you can work a theme with the wargear options.

its not the boost people were hoping for but I find it to be a solid codex.

 Melcavuk wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
I've been trying to follow this thread but as I'm not an ork player it gets kind of confusing. Can someone break it down for me. What's the good, what's the bad and what's the blah?
Power level?
Fluffy?
Anything else?

I'd say respectable mid tier. Its no tau but it doesnt seem tyranid to me.

I like it, I think alot of the unit choices are fun, you can work a theme with the wargear options.

its not the boost people were hoping for but I find it to be a solid codex.

 Delevarius wrote:
so they baited us with some cool Heavy Supports, the 'Ere we go rule, 5++ KFF, built up our dreams
And now they crush them with the death of the Mob Rule, more expensive Shoota Boyz, cutting many of the cool things from the previous codex, adding mostly random or useless stuff that wont work, all that and more...
They really forged a big narrative all over our faces

Da Butcha wrote:
I'm also really, really, really, really annoyed about the loss of options to make bikes, dreads, and nobs into troops based on your HQ choices. First, it just screws over everybody who had done so in the last codex. Second, it really seems like GW is flipping us off and saying, "Didn't think you liked Unbound, did you? Well, your precious army isn't legal without it, now, stupid!".

 Melcavuk wrote:
Nope, so the most charges a single normal detachment can generate is 6 + D6 (2 lvl 2 weird boys, each near 10 boys)

On which note i need sleep, if anyone has any pressing questions I can be PM'd and I'll look at it in the morning. Otherwise have fun!

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Sorry if i misses this. Is Grotsnik still in ? Did he change ?

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Sorry if i misses this. Is Grotsnik still in ? Did he change ?

HQs listed as
Zagstruk
Grotsnik
Mek is a slotless HQ, 1 per actual HQ bought
Big Mek does not change FoC
Painboy
Warboss does not change FoC
Weirdboy.
Badrukk is a HQ (3+, 5++, str 7 AP2 assault 3 gun) , Badrukk has the rules listed for Da Rippa, but it is not listed in his wargear
Snikrot is not HQ, Snikkrot an elite (doesnt take a slot if taken with Kommandos) (shrouded on arrival, you pick an edge to outflank dont roll)
No Wazdakka
No Zogwort.
Ghaz is a LOW now, can take runts/squigs, stats look unchaged

D6 Warlord Trait
1 Prophet of the Waaagh!: Mork (or possibly Gork) has chosen this Warlord for greatness, and every Ork under his command knows it.
The Warlord gains the Waaagh! special rule. If the Warlord already has the Waaagh! special rule then, in addition to the usual effects, all friendly models with the ’Ere We Go! special rule gain the Fearless special rule when he calls a Waaagh!, until the start of their next turn.
2 Bellowing Tyrant: This Warlord is an unholy terror, a roaring lunatic whose every (very loud) word is law.
The Warlord, and all friendly units with the Orks Faction within 12" of him, re-roll failed Morale checks and Pinning tests.
3 Like a Thunderbolt!: This Warlord is a master of the all-out, no-holds-barred, headlong charge into battle.
The Warlord, and all friendly units with the Orks Faction within 12" of him, can re-roll all the dice when determining Run moves or charge range.
4 Brutal but Kunnin’: This Warlord has a sneaky streak a mile wide and knows just where to hit his foes.
The Warlord can re-roll one failed To Hit or To Wound roll each turn.
5 Kunnin’ but Brutal: The Warlord knows when to roll with a punch, and can shrug off the hardest blows.
The Warlord can re-roll one failed armour or invulnerable saving throw each turn.
6 Might is Right: Made of muscle and aggression, this Warlord is the embodiment of the Orks’ warlike nature.
The Warlord receives +1 to the Strength characteristic on his profile.

Buggys don't get new weapons, do get Grot Riggers at 10 points.
Not seen anything about FNP at all yet.
Grot riggers don't just work for IWND on 'nauts, any vehicle that has them, but cost per vehicle seems to differ. 20 to put them on a 'naut. BW don't seem to have the option.
Looks to be a lot more options with selecting wargear for meks
"A Big Mek may take items from the Mek Weapons, Melee Weapons, Runts & Squigs, Orky Know-wots and/or Gifts of Gork and Mork lists."
Mob rule is replaced by the D6 roll, yes.

Kustom Mega Slugga is a thing.
A Big Mek with mega armour can take one of the following
- Tellyport blasta Tellyporta blasta is the back mouned thing I've been describing and seems... uh, situational at best? Very short range weapon but causes instant death on a 6 wound. Rolling a 6 on AP causes a penetrating hit regardless of AV.
- Kustom force field
- Shock attack gun roll of double 6 is vortex!!!
- KFF can be combined with mega armour and bikes, Shock attack gun seems to be combinable with bikes.
- Git finda on SAG mek?



Relics:
Gifts of Gork and Mork
Da Dead Shiny Shoota 6 shots twinlinked shoota, rolls of 1 hit one of your own units
Da Finkin’ Kap gives your warlord an additional trait from the strategic list.
Da Fixer Upperz
Da Lucky Stikk
Headwoppa’s Killchoppa is a +2 str, AP5, rending choppa that beheads on a roll of 6 (insta death).
Warboss Gazbag’s Blitzbike has an AP3 deff gun on it

Mob Chart
D6 Result
1 If the unit is locked in combat, it passes the Morale check or Pinning test. If the unit is not locked in combat, it fails.
2-3 If the unit includes one or more Ork characters (including Independent Characters), it suffers D6 Strength 4 AP- hits, and is then treated as if it had passed the Morale check or Pinning test.
4-6 If the unit has 10 or more models, it suffers D6 Strength 4 AP- hits, and is then treated as if it had passed the Morale check or Pinning test. The hits are Randomly Allocated. If the unit has fewer than 10 models, it fails the Morale check or Pinning test.

Boss Pole gives Reroll on the mob chart.

Stompa in as super heavy

Battle Wagon up 20 points.

Killkannon still lowers transport on BW

Attack squig nerfed to 1 reroll in melee per turn

Tankbustas can shoot at whatever they like, and Bustas and Burnas can take dedicated trukks

Kommandos get Stealth, no point hike

Ramshackle got clobbered.. 6+ save when you take a pen, if successful downgrade to glance

Buggies in units of 5, gained outflank and a minor point decrease.

Rule for planks is a little complicated. If you get out of open topped and declare a charge, add 2 to the charge range

Deffrolla gains AP4 and loses half the hits

Lootas Heavy Support and cheaper (5 points less per squad)

Kans come in 6 packs, NO twin guns, NO Troop choice option, have special morale rule

If you take an Ork Warband detachment, you can Waaaagh every turn after the first

Weirdboys gain a Warp Charge point if there are 10 or more models with the 'ere we go rule (Pretty much any Ork from what I've seen) in 12" but has to take a psychic save or take a hit.
Power of the Waaagh! and Daemonlogy disciplines.
Can be upgraded to Psyker level 2.
Ork psychic powers are all cool. Either high strength, or teleport, large blast etc.
Primaris power is Frazzle (Blast witchfire).
'Eadbanger is now a focussed witchfire.
Warpath is a self blessing
Da jump is what used to be 'ere we go.
Killbolt is a beam attack.
Power vomit is a template witchfire.
Da Krunch is a barrage witchfire.

Cheap IWND on vehicles (5 points on Kans, 10 on dreds)

Painboy is IC, so put him where you need him, can take a bike.

Dedi transports available for burnas and tank bustas now

Warboss/Bigmek Mega Armor Kit is a thing

Ork boys cost 1 less point, but Shoota is 1 pt ugrade now

The HQ Mek (not Big Mek) has Boy statline

Pain Boys can not get 'Eavy Amor?

Zzap gun 2D6, gets hot on a 1-3 if you roll 11 or 12

Kannons and Lobbas unchanged

 adamsouza wrote:
bunch of stuff already covered so we can keep the repeat questions down.

Spoiler:

HQs listed as
Zagstruk
Grotsnik
Mek is a slotless HQ, 1 per actual HQ bought
Big Mek does not change FoC
Painboy
Warboss does not change FoC
Weirdboy.
Badrukk is a HQ (3+, 5++, str 7 AP2 assault 3 gun) , Badrukk has the rules listed for Da Rippa, but it is not listed in his wargear
Snikrot is not HQ, Snikkrot an elite (doesnt take a slot if taken with Kommandos) (shrouded on arrival, you pick an edge to outflank dont roll)
No Wazdakka
No Zogwort.
Ghaz is a LOW now, can take runts/squigs, stats look unchaged

D6 Warlord Trait
1 Prophet of the Waaagh!: Mork (or possibly Gork) has chosen this Warlord for greatness, and every Ork under his command knows it.
The Warlord gains the Waaagh! special rule. If the Warlord already has the Waaagh! special rule then, in addition to the usual effects, all friendly models with the ’Ere We Go! special rule gain the Fearless special rule when he calls a Waaagh!, until the start of their next turn.
2 Bellowing Tyrant: This Warlord is an unholy terror, a roaring lunatic whose every (very loud) word is law.
The Warlord, and all friendly units with the Orks Faction within 12" of him, re-roll failed Morale checks and Pinning tests.
3 Like a Thunderbolt!: This Warlord is a master of the all-out, no-holds-barred, headlong charge into battle.
The Warlord, and all friendly units with the Orks Faction within 12" of him, can re-roll all the dice when determining Run moves or charge range.
4 Brutal but Kunnin’: This Warlord has a sneaky streak a mile wide and knows just where to hit his foes.
The Warlord can re-roll one failed To Hit or To Wound roll each turn.
5 Kunnin’ but Brutal: The Warlord knows when to roll with a punch, and can shrug off the hardest blows.
The Warlord can re-roll one failed armour or invulnerable saving throw each turn.
6 Might is Right: Made of muscle and aggression, this Warlord is the embodiment of the Orks’ warlike nature.
The Warlord receives +1 to the Strength characteristic on his profile.

Buggys don't get new weapons, do get Grot Riggers at 10 points.
Not seen anything about FNP at all yet.
Grot riggers don't just work for IWND on 'nauts, any vehicle that has them, but cost per vehicle seems to differ. 20 to put them on a 'naut. BW don't seem to have the option.
Looks to be a lot more options with selecting wargear for meks
"A Big Mek may take items from the Mek Weapons, Melee Weapons, Runts & Squigs, Orky Know-wots and/or Gifts of Gork and Mork lists."
Mob rule is replaced by the D6 roll, yes.

Kustom Mega Slugga is a thing.
A Big Mek with mega armour can take one of the following
- Tellyport blasta Tellyporta blasta is the back mouned thing I've been describing and seems... uh, situational at best? Very short range weapon but causes instant death on a 6 wound. Rolling a 6 on AP causes a penetrating hit regardless of AV.
- Kustom force field
- Shock attack gun roll of double 6 is vortex!!!
- KFF can be combined with mega armour and bikes, Shock attack gun seems to be combinable with bikes.
- Git finda on SAG mek?



Relics:
Gifts of Gork and Mork
Da Dead Shiny Shoota 6 shots twinlinked shoota, rolls of 1 hit one of your own units
Da Finkin’ Kap gives your warlord an additional trait from the strategic list.
Da Fixer Upperz
Da Lucky Stikk
Headwoppa’s Killchoppa is a +2 str, AP5, rending choppa that beheads on a roll of 6 (insta death).
Warboss Gazbag’s Blitzbike has an AP3 deff gun on it

D6 Result
1 If the unit is locked in combat, it passes the Morale check or Pinning test. If the unit is not locked in combat, it fails.
2-3 If the unit includes one or more Ork characters (including Independent Characters), it suffers D6 Strength 4 AP- hits, and is then treated as if it had passed the Morale check or Pinning test.
4-6 If the unit has 10 or more models, it suffers D6 Strength 4 AP- hits, and is then treated as if it had passed the Morale check or Pinning test. The hits are Randomly Allocated. If the unit has fewer than 10 models, it fails the Morale check or Pinning test.

Stompa in as super heavy

Battle Wagon up 20 points.

Killkannon still lowers transport on BW

Attack squig nerfed to 1 reroll in melee per turn

Tankbustas can shoot at whatever they like, and Bustas and Burnas can take dedicated trukks

Kommandos get Stealth, no point hike

Ramshackle got clobbered.. 6+ save when you take a pen, if successful downgrade to glance

Buggies in units of 5, gained outflank and a minor point decrease.

Rule for planks is a little complicated. If you get out of open topped and declare a charge, add 2 to the charge range

Deffrolla gains AP4 and loses half the hits

Lootas Heavy Support and cheaper (5 points less per squad)

Kans come in 6 packs, NO twin guns, NO Troop choice option, have special morale rule

If you take an Ork Warband detachment, you can Waaaagh every turn after the first

Weirdboys gain a Warp Charge point if there are 10 or more models with the 'ere we go rule (Pretty much any Ork from what I've seen) in 12" but has to take a psychic save or take a hit.
Power of the Waaagh! and Daemonlogy disciplines.
Can be upgraded to Psyker level 2.
Ork psychic powers are all cool. Either high strength, or teleport, large blast etc.
Primaris power is Frazzle (Blast witchfire).
'Eadbanger is now a focussed witchfire.
Warpath is a self blessing
Da jump is what used to be 'ere we go.
Killbolt is a beam attack.
Power vomit is a template witchfire.
Da Krunch is a barrage witchfire.

Cheap IWND on vehicles (5 points on Kans, 10 on dreds)

Painboy is IC, so put him where you need him, can take a bike.

Dedi transports available for burnas and tank bustas now

Warboss/Bigmek Mega Armor Kit is a thing

Ork boys cost 1 less point, but Shoota is 1 pt ugrade now

Ork boys cost 1 less point, but Shoota is 1 pt ugrade now

rtb02 wrote:
Being half asleep/ awake am I right that under 7th ed rules you can take as many detachments as you want?

On that basis could you take 2 standard FoC worth of stuff provided you had 1 HQ and 2 troops per FoC? In doing so that would be totally legit or is it frowned upon?

I was thinking of having a "warboss" FoC and a "dreadmob" FoC (all using standard ork dex) fluffy and attempting not to cheese but with so many walkers and so much dakka (and still want some big gunz) unsure how else it could be fit in,

thanks in advance!

rtb02 wrote:
Being half asleep/ awake am I right that under 7th ed rules you can take as many detachments as you want?

On that basis could you take 2 standard FoC worth of stuff provided you had 1 HQ and 2 troops per FoC? In doing so that would be totally legit or is it frowned upon?

I was thinking of having a "warboss" FoC and a "dreadmob" FoC (all using standard ork dex) fluffy and attempting not to cheese but with so many walkers and so much dakka (and still want some big gunz) unsure how else it could be fit in,

thanks in advance!

Leerjawise wrote:


Yup, you can take as many detachments as you have points for. A lot of people are trying to house rule it so you can can only use 1 Combined Arms detachment, but that is hogwash, and will become more ludicrous with every new codex and detachment released.

Rules say you can, and don't feel bad about doing it.

 Jidmah wrote:

sexybitchrosie wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

sexybitchrosie wrote:
why is ghaz a lord of war does he have 9 wounds or something

Actually he lost 1 attack on the charge.

Otherwise unchanged, according to a certain ork drunk on cider

that doesnt mean he is a lord of war thou there must done somethign to make he in the leagues of a titan is he a giganture creature

He is listed as Lord of War choice. Taking him does not use a HQ slot, your opponent gets +1 to seize and taking wounds off him grants victory points. That's all there is to it.

 Mumblez wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Yeah guys, totally chill! I mean it's not like people have listed known issues or anything!

It definitely seems our characters will be in some trouble when challenged due to the lack of invulns. Thankfully warbosses are pretty tough so they should be able to survive what other characters can dish out and then just instant kill them with a PK. Nobs I would hesitate to accept challenges with - you'll need the bosspole to keep the unit in check, so why risk losing it fighting just one 'umie? Shooting shouldn't be as big of a problem, just use LO,S! a lot.

I don't think anybody was saying this new book was flawless, but it's what we have now and crying about it certainly won't help anyone. Just give it some time, we haven't even seen everything yet. Good lists will emerge. Until then, let's try to stay positive and figure out ways around the weaknesses we have.

 Toburk wrote:
There are some things that got clear cost reductions like bikes and deffkoptas, plus the old big guns of all things. There is also the cheese, like re-rolling 2+ armour saves. New mob rule seems to benefit trukk boyz, but the trukks now will deal 150% as many wounds in the explosion as they previously did.


All in all, I feel this codex is a clear downgrade from the old one, with no quality or inspiration present. Just as was feared and foretold. GW is clearly shoveling out product as fast a possible.

 streamdragon wrote:

 Mumblez wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Yeah guys, totally chill! I mean it's not like people have listed known issues or anything!

It definitely seems our characters will be in some trouble when challenged due to the lack of invulns. Thankfully warbosses are pretty tough so they should be able to survive what other characters can dish out and then just instant kill them with a PK. Nobs I would hesitate to accept challenges with - you'll need the bosspole to keep the unit in check, so why risk losing it fighting just one 'umie? Shooting shouldn't be as big of a problem, just use LO,S! a lot.

I don't think anybody was saying this new book was flawless, but it's what we have now and crying about it certainly won't help anyone. Just give it some time, we haven't even seen everything yet. Good lists will emerge. Until then, let's try to stay positive and figure out ways around the weaknesses we have.

If it were not for Waagh!, Warbosses would be a waste of points. Challenges? Try monstrous creatures, Force Weapons or any other ID route; you can either decline the challenge and your boss sits around with his dakka up his fungus, or you can accept and pray to mork and gork that your opponent's dice just completely crap the bed. No option for invulnerable saves on characters is insane. Is there another non-Tyranid (because they're at least MC HQ slots!) army that can't protect its leaders like this? I honestly can't think of one:

SM of all kinds: Iron Halo
Tau: Shield Generators/Drones
Eldar: Rune Armor
Necrons: Phase Shifter
D. Eldar: Shadow Field
AM: Rosarius
SoB: Rosarius
CSM: Dark Aura
Chaos Daemons: Daemonic Aura

Did I miss anyone? A Painboy in with your Warboss has become an auto-include if you want him to have a chance of doing anything. Are painboys tough? Pretty sure they're T4 W2 like a nob? Good luck with that. Precision shots is a thing as well, though thankfully rarer than it used to be.

Nobs are basically bosspole bitches. Like you said you can't really use them for fear of them dying; so now my glorious Ork leader who should be wanting to get stuck in is hiding in the back, hoping he can smack his buddy with a bosspole. Narrative Forged! So Cinematic! Waaagh! indeed!

Saying "Just fill up FoCs with Grotz!" is a cop-out. It's basically attempting to handwave away serious issues with the book and pretend that Grots will solve it. They won't. They're basically a tax on your other units at this point, since a unit of 10 grots won't reliably do anything other than die, most likely giving up VP in the process. Goody.

This book is far from flawless; I think it's units with no flaws are the exceptions, rather than the rules, given so many units had flaws that needed correcting. Guess how many of them saw those corrections. Because the information so far suggests pretty much 0 of them. Did we get some good stuff? Sure, we did. The new Mek Gunz answer some of the armies overall issues like Skyfire, so I'm sure we'll see tons of them. Did we get anything close to the update that people were hoping for, after 3 frelling editions? If you answer yes, you have exceedingly low expectations. Congrats I guess.


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 Toburk wrote:
There are some things that got clear cost reductions like bikes and deffkoptas, plus the old big guns of all things. There is also the cheese, like re-rolling 2+ armour saves. New mob rule seems to benefit trukk boyz, but the trukks now will deal 150% as many wounds in the explosion as they previously did.


All in all, I feel this codex is a clear downgrade from the old one, with no quality or inspiration present. Just as was feared and foretold. GW is clearly shoveling out product as fast a possible.

Let's be clear on a few things:

Re-rolling 2+ armor saves isn't cheese, because so many things can and will ignore 2+ armor saves. This isn't like Invulnerable save rerolls, or cover saves against armies with no Ignores Cover options.

New Mob Rule doesn't benefit anyone, really. You used to be fearless above 10; you no longer are. Hell, have we even confirmed that it still increases LD based on model count? Or are we stuck with LD 7 on Boyz unless you stick an IC into the group?