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That doesn't make any sense- I always thought Orks did the shark toof style, and grew many, many sets over their lifetime. They'd lose any metal teef when the next set grew in. That was one of the reasons they used teef for currency. Every Ork had some, and it was a reasonably valuable trophy.

 doktor_g wrote:
Sorry I would like a clarification:

ANYTIME you have a leadership, morale or pinning test, you have to roll on Mob Rule? That means it's conceivable to have a wagon explode take 20x S4 hits. Take a pinning test with d6 S4 hits and then a morale check for an ADDITONAL d6 hits? WTF?

So an expensive, nerfed, battle wagon "Explodes!" You can expect to take up to 20+2d6 hits that wound a little less than 50% of the time? Someone tell me this isn't true. Please.

You're not considering the narratives enough.. Just because a rule might be totally debilitating and poorly thought out, doesn't mean it's not FLUFFY. You know, because Ork mobs randomly kill each other every time a few of them die.. or one gets hit by a sniper!

Thought the roll on the table was after the leadership test was failed


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It says "if a mob ever fails a morale or pinning check it must roll on the mob rule table"

On that note, does that mean they can never be pinned since that chart is suppose to be instead of the usual result from failing a morale?
Still test obviously and roll on chart if failed, but cannot actually be "stuck"

Quick question: DId the older paint boy ever come out in finecast?

Yep they can't be pinned, they can still fall back on a roll of a one, and if you don't have a character or 10+ models you take the usual affects of failing the test, but we still get to go to ground

 Gitzbitah wrote:
That doesn't make any sense- I always thought Orks did the shark toof style, and grew many, many sets over their lifetime. They'd lose any metal teef when the next set grew in. That was one of the reasons they used teef for currency. Every Ork had some, and it was a reasonably valuable trophy.

5-6 Steel Teef. The Doc has removed the
patient’s teef and replaced them with
steel ones (some Docs get very rich, very
quickly). Though the warrior is now
immune to the ‘Gobsmacked’ serious
injury, he suffers -1 Leadership as his
steel choppers just aren’t properly Orky.

Presumably the ork would eventually grow a new set of teef, but not within the scope/timescale of a Gorkamorka mob career.

 deffrekka wrote:
Thought the roll on the table was after the leadership test was failed


It says "if a mob ever fails a morale or pinning check it must roll on the mob rule table"

Oh thank Gork... or Mork

 Vineheart01 wrote:
On that note, does that mean they can never be pinned since that chart is suppose to be instead of the usual result from failing a morale?
Still test obviously and roll on chart if failed, but cannot actually be "stuck"

Yeah instead you have a chance of running away from failing a single pinning test :p Bonus..

 Deunstephe wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Man, those MANz are depressingly boring sculpts, aren't they? They're basically the same as the metals.

They are pretty same-y, but what could you expect? Rogue Trader MANZ? Having crab claws back would be awesome, though.
The only thing I really dislike about them is that one nob head with metal teef. Got to be the most ridiculous thing you could do to an Ork - James Bond Jaws much?

Aren't the new MANz three for $60, too?
Guess what else is three for $60?

Yeah, I'll be getting these instead (and not because most of my Ork army is already Kromlech models, hehe)..

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

Aren't the new MANz three for $60, too?
Guess what else is three for $60?

Spoiler:

Yeah, I'll be getting these instead (and not because most of my Ork army is already Kromlech models, hehe)..

Nice... well I too have sat and stared at the new oddly flat faced plastics from GW vs these highly detailed resin models and have come to the same conclusion.

'well, ladz, dis iz it. we got new rulez of ingajemint, handed down from higher up. gork (or possibly mork) sez ya gotz ta turn in all yer choppaz, sluggaz, power klawz, and other stabby gubbinz. we gotz new weaponz ta give ya. here'z yer new nerfy dart shootaz, with soft foamy bullitz. and here'z da new choppaz. lookit dat high kwality foam coating! dey almost lookz like da real fing! so get in line, nice and orderly, fer yer new gear...'

*several minutes of orks merrily whacking each other with foam blades ensues*

'hey, boss, if ya takez da foam off, dis plastic bit can leave a nice welt! and if ya breakz da end, it can be stab-'

'oi! none o' dat! dat pointy bit could scratch da paint on a mareen'z armor!'

I have a freaking massive Ork army (my first army, and around fifteen years old). Having played since third ed., it seems the tendency in codices these days is largely a return to 3rd/4th ed play style. A lot of the stuff that people aren't seeing as good is actually very strong in practice and hearken back to the old school books. I'm not weighing in on competitiveness because I really don't play that way and don't care too much. But guys, the price drops and changes are all pretty amazing for an old-style list. Downgrading from a pen to glance is HUGE, it was one of the hidden gems of old orks. IWND on vehicles is massive as anyone who's played Iron Hands can tell you. I definitely understand the annoyance if you've built a narrower list of units, I do. But you know, there's a lot of very cheap Ork goodness to be built and kitbashed from eBay and such too. I think the new book will reward the big, sprawling Ork collection much more tan the competitive player, sort of like the NIds book.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

Aren't the new MANz three for $60, too?
Guess what else is three for $60?

Spoiler:

Yeah, I'll be getting these instead (and not because most of my Ork army is already Kromlech models, hehe)..

Nice... well I too have sat and stared at the new oddly flat faced plastics from GW vs these highly detailed resin models and have come to the same conclusion.

I'm buying the box of Meganobz. I use a Kromlech one as a Mega boss ;cause they're so big

GW ADDED the option to take tanks as troops in the Astra Militarum Codex- where is that in the am book? as far as i have read there is no units moving around foc slots in am or in any old ig book i have.
in 6th and 5th when a dread moved to a troop they did not become scoreing units so i would say that they are in some ways more a troop now in 7th since all units are scoreing. i think the real issue is you guys want to tank dreads and a bunch of other hs choices and kinda sounds like you just dont want to loose the objective secured rule on your grot blobs by building unbound. i dont think many people would have an issue with an unbound list if they know ahead of time (as long as your not just going baneblade hellhammer stormlord and a few vendettas to get your 2k list). multiple detachments work around the unbound 4 trukk units, 4big meks, how many points you got left for kans and dreads?

morpheuschild wrote:
'well, ladz, dis iz it. we got new rulez of ingajemint, handed down from higher up. gork (or possibly mork) sez ya gotz ta turn in all yer choppaz, sluggaz, power klawz, and other stabby gubbinz. we gotz new weaponz ta give ya. here'z yer new nerfy dart shootaz, with soft foamy bullitz. and here'z da new choppaz. lookit dat high kwality foam coating! dey almost lookz like da real fing! so get in line, nice and orderly, fer yer new gear...'

*several minutes of orks merrily whacking each other with foam blades ensues*

'hey, boss, if ya takez da foam off, dis plastic bit can leave a nice welt! and if ya breakz da end, it can be stab-'

'oi! none o' dat! dat pointy bit could scratch da paint on a mareen'z armor!'

Now going to make an army of orks armed with nothing but paint strippers...

Presumably the GW kit will also have bitz for a MAN Big Mek, and it's much easier to get a decent discount on GW than Kromlech, so there's that. The Kromlech MANz do look a lot more impressive, tho. If they're really the same base price it's gonna be a tough call.

Back to the BW exploding:

Really all we have to do is roll 8+ on 2d6 TWICE and we suffer 20+2d6 S4 hits. On average that's 27 hits. Half of which wound and 1 out of 6 makes his armor save.

That's a group of 20 boyz going to 9 boyz.

Yay Orks?

"FAQ you're our only hope...."

Do you really have to take a pinning test every time there's an explodes result?

Grimgor Skullbusta wrote:

 Gitzbitah wrote:
That doesn't make any sense- I always thought Orks did the shark toof style, and grew many, many sets over their lifetime. They'd lose any metal teef when the next set grew in. That was one of the reasons they used teef for currency. Every Ork had some, and it was a reasonably valuable trophy.

5-6 Steel Teef. The Doc has removed the
patient’s teef and replaced them with
steel ones (some Docs get very rich, very
quickly). Though the warrior is now
immune to the ‘Gobsmacked’ serious
injury, he suffers -1 Leadership as his
steel choppers just aren’t properly Orky.

Presumably the ork would eventually grow a new set of teef, but not within the scope/timescale of a Gorkamorka mob career.

From 'Ere We Go...

so your open topped battlewagon can be exploded by a str8+ weapon(due to the plus 1 mod that works against open topped) if it explodes every model suffers a str4 ap - hit is this d6 your adding the one for the mob rule that you only have to roll if you fail your pinning test?


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yes you have to take pinning test on every explode result

Footslogging 30 boy mobz with a KFF seems like a MUCH more sound option now

 Multimoog wrote:
Footslogging 30 boy mobz with a KFF seems like a MUCH more sound option now

Why's that, because the KFF got nerfed to MODELS within 6 inches? How many individual boyz are you going to be able to fit within that KFF radius?

You also do realize that a 30 man squad has a leadership of 8, and if you fail that leadership test and roll a 1 that entire mob can run off the board on either a pinning or a morale check?

Do you also realize that shoota boyz now cost 7 points a model? That unit now costs 30 points more than it used to, and it is NOT fearless, and it does NOT get full coverage of the KFF. Only individual models within 6 inches do, and I'm not sure what percentage of a 30 man mob that would even be.

 Multimoog wrote:
Footslogging 30 boy mobz with a KFF seems like a MUCH more sound option now

How is it more sound now? Before, you could keep your KFF inside a BW and measure out from the hull, so you could cover several mobz of 30 boyz. Now you have to keep your KFF outside and vulnerable with a smaller range. It makes me sad :(

The only good thing is the Gorkanaut can take a KFF now.

Boyz = 5 and Shoota upgrade +1 I think. So priced the same at 6 per. That REEEEEALLLLY sucks about the KFF. Would rather just keep the cover save.

 TedNugent wrote:

 Multimoog wrote:
Footslogging 30 boy mobz with a KFF seems like a MUCH more sound option now

Why's that, because the KFF got nerfed to MODELS within 6 inches? How many individual boyz are you going to be able to fit within that KFF radius?

You also do realize that a 30 man squad has a leadership of 8, and if you fail that leadership test and roll a 1 that entire mob can run off the board on either a pinning or a morale check?

Do you also realize that shoota boyz now cost 7 points a model? That unit now costs 30 points more than it used to, and it is NOT fearless, and it does NOT get full coverage of the KFF. Only individual models within 6 inches do, and I'm not sure what percentage of a 30 man mob that would even be.

Forget the KFF, the skyshield is the way to go. with the new 6" coherency between elevation, you can have a few boys on the shield and the rest snaking their way across the board.

How many models in a unit have to be on the shield for the unit to be on the shield?
well 1 model in difficult terrain makes the whole unit roll to move through difficult terrain
1 model charging through terrain gives the -2" penalty to the unit.
1 model in your shooting unit can not fully see a model, then that model gets a cover save from your unit.

so 1 model on the shield is enough to qualify for the unit to get it's 4++

so it is possible for 75 points to give your 180+ boys a 4++

Or use the void shields as they also protect the unit, and again 1 model under it protects the unit and protects us from blast weapons.

when you say 6in on the kff it is true but you technically have a 12in bubble as 6in in all directions is still a decent sized space yes the kff doesnt auto cover the whole unit and only affects the vehicles the character is embarked in. yes its been nerfed but is actually much more realistic, and is now on par with the da force field thing, wonder if all of these options will get hit the same way.
how many armies get an inv that they can pass out to other units anyways, and i think it is a worse hit loseing the cybork bodies, but now every squad can take eavy armour,

 doktor_g wrote:
Boyz = 5 and Shoota upgrade +1 I think. So priced the same at 6 per. That REEEEEALLLLY sucks about the KFF. Would rather just keep the cover save.

No... 6 +1 for shoota

 doktor_g wrote:
Boyz = 5 and Shoota upgrad +1 I think. =6

6/7

 Melcavuk wrote:

Watarr wrote:So shootaboys cost 6 or 7 points?

Seven

 doktor_g wrote:
Boyz = 5 and Shoota upgrade +1 I think. So priced the same at 6 per. That REEEEEALLLLY sucks about the KFF. Would rather just keep the cover save.

Slugga boy is 6, Shoota boy is 7. Both come with stikkbombs as standard.