Ork rumours - First post updated 20th June

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**Melcavuk**

Melevolence wrote:
rtb01 wrote:
Melevolence wrote:
The way I see it is this. I'm not taking anything in this thread at face value. Regardless of someone claims they have the book, until I see pics or I have the book in hand, this all sounds way too terrible to be a thing. Granted, it's not outside of GW's ballpark to feth up so badly, but regardless. I'll retain all panic until I'm holding my own Codex and can see for myself. A lot of people getting too uppity of what we ASSUME is to be truth with no hard evidence to back any of it up.

No offence but that's stupid. Some people have the codex and are sharing. Why no belief? I only don't have it because I forgot my bank card on Friday. No assumption here. It is fact. It won't be as bad as you make out. Accept it and move on!

I'll believe it when I actually see it. Nothing wrong with being skeptical. And they have the 'allegedly leaked' version, which again, they have posted no solid proof of the gak thats being said. It's possible its true, the things they are saying. Which is what it is, and we will know for sure at the end of this week. *shrug* But until then, whatever.

I understand your desire to remain skeptical but it is a little insulting. Its not an "allegedly leaked" version, its a legally purchased black library digital edition codex that was available for me to download immediately. As for posting proof, aside from picture which would violate the terms of purchase (I think) I have answered any and all questions put to me.

**Toburk**

Hey Mel.

This slipped through the cracks in the last QnA session, but do bosspoles still cause a wound when used?

**Ian Sturrock**

I think in practice you will find that the amount of cheap outflanking stuff you can get, coupled with the increased speed of your boyz (whether in trukks or not), more than makes up for the mob rule changes.,

**Melcavuk**

My allegedly leaked codex says:

Each time a unit that includes at least one model with a Bosspole rolls on the Mob Rule table, you may choose to re-roll any result other than a Breaking Heads result. You must accept the result of the re-roll

**Bonzofever**

Mumblez wrote:
This isn't related to the new Mob Rule so it could be considered off topic, but what do you guys think a list like this?

Spoiler:

Primary Detachment

HQ

Warboss (probably with a PK, 'eavy armor, cybork body and a relic or two)

2*Big Mek with KFF

Troops

3*30 Slugga Boyz with Nob (PK, Bosspole)

Secondary Detachment

HQ

3*Painboy

Troops

3*30 Slugga Boyz with Nob (PK, Bosspole)

3 of the mobs get painboys for that FNP and the guys at the front will also get the KFF invuln against shooting. The warboss is there so you can Waaagh! when you need to and to add a bit more close combat punch.

Depending on how many points this is, you could fill out the rest with deffkoptaz or buggies so you have a bit more anti-tank.

If you guys want to hear about the Ghaz book, I'll have it by next week like the other warboss edition buyers. I can give a report on it if you want!

Well, if your opponent has tanks I don't think you'll be able to win with a footslogging army.

I think 10x Grots will be my best option for troops now... 40 points for each unit, that's 80 points + 1xHQ for each separate detachement.
Then, just field as many Buggies/Deffkoptaz/Mekgunz/Flashigtz as you wish and try to bring down your ennemy with firepower...

**Toburk**

Melcavuk wrote:
My allegedly leaked codex says:

Each time a unit that includes at least one model with a Bosspole rolls on the Mob Rule table, you may choose to re-roll any result other than a Breaking Heads result. You must accept the result of the re-roll

Thanks very much. Which is the breaking heads result? The "1" ie. auto-fail out of combat even if you have a BP, or auto-pass in combat.?

**mutantrocker**

Sorry for repeating my question but I don't think it's been answered. Can boarding planks still be used for their old purpose as well as the disembarl/assault 2" buff?

**Dakkamite**

Mumblez wrote:
This isn't related to the new Mob Rule so it could be considered off topic, but what do you guys think a list like this?

Primary Detachment

HQ

Warboss (probably with a PK, 'eavy armor, cybork body and a relic or two)

2*Big Mek with KFF

Troops

3*30 Slugga Boyz with Nob (PK, Bosspole)

Secondary Detachment

HQ

3*Painboy

Troops

3*30 Slugga Boyz with Nob (PK, Bosspole)

3 of the mobs get painboys for that FNP and the guys at the front will also get the KFF invuln against shooting. The warboss is there so you can Waaagh! when you need to and to add a bit more close combat punch.

Depending on how many points this is, you could fill out the rest with deffkoptaz or buggies so you have a bit more anti-tank.

If you guys want to hear about the Ghaz book, I'll have it by next week like the other warboss edition buyers. I can give a report on it if you want!

I'd still recommend Shoota > Slugga for foot sloggers, even with the 1pt increase.

You'd also benefit enormously from some Big Guns / Mek Guns / Looted Wagons / insert Ork Heavy Support choices here. I've found if there are no pieplates in an army, the enemy can deploy their units very, very effectually - and if there are, they're forced to spread their forces in an inconvenient manner.

**MajorWesJanson**

Toburk wrote:
Melcavuk wrote:
My allegedly leaked codex says:

Each time a unit that includes at least one model with a Bosspole rolls on the Mob Rule table, you may choose to re-roll any result other than a Breaking Heads result. You must accept the result of the re-roll

Thanks very much. Which is the breaking heads result? The "1" ie. auto-fail out of combat even if you have a BP, or auto-pass in combat.?

Probably the one that if you have a character you take the hits then pass.

**Melcavuk**

mutantrocker wrote:Sorry for repeating my question but I don't think it's been answered. Can boarding planks still be used for their old purpose as well as the disembarl/assault 2" buff?

nope sorry, its only the assault buff now.

Toburk wrote:
Melcavuk wrote:
My allegedly leaked codex says:

Each time a unit that includes at least one model with a Bosspole rolls on the Mob Rule table, you may choose to re-roll any result other than a Breaking Heads result. You must accept the result of the re-roll

Thanks very much. Which is the breaking heads result? The "1" ie. auto-fail out of combat even if you have a BP, or auto-pass in combat.?

Nope, breaking heads is the result every is dreading, the Nob beating the bejesus out of his own mob to keep them in the fight (D6 str 4 hits). Essentially the Nob/Boss beats up his own boys, the mob takes the hits, and they keep in the fight. It protects the nob/character from taking hits |rerolls that result) or the mob fleeing if they arent in combat.

**Toburk**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Probably the one that if you have a character you take the hits then pass.

Yes, of course. So you can't deliberately try to fail the test.

Edit:

Melcavuk wrote:
Nope, breaking heads is the result every is dreading, the Nob beating the bejesus out of his own mob to keep them in the fight (D6 str 4 hits). Essentially the Nob/Boss beats up his own boys, the mob takes the hits, and they keep in the fight. It protects the nob/character from taking hits |rerolls that result) or the mob fleeing if they arent in combat.

Are there little fluffy blurbs for each result on the table?

**Melcavuk**

Ork Characters cannot take wounds from Breaking Eads, so if you have a unit comprised of Ork characters they automatically pass when rolling this results.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
1 Born to Fight: Orks love fighting, and the prospect of a good punch-up will sometimes stop them from running off
2-3 Breaking Heads: The mob’s leader knocks a few heads together until the ladz settle down and get back in the fight.
4-6 Squabble: A brawl breaks out as the Orks decide what to do. When the dust settles, nobody can remember what the trouble was about in the first place.

**Bangbangboom**

This thread is updating far faster then I have time to read so sorry if these questions have been asked.

1. Can you confirm that looted wagons are out of the codex and only available in this weeks wd?

2. Can Deff Dreads be taken in squadrons?

Thanks

**Melcavuk**

Bangbangboom wrote:
This thread is updating far faster then I have time to read so sorry if these questions have been asked.

1. Can you confirm that looted wagons are out of the codex and only available in this weeks wd?

2. Can Deff Dreads be taken in squadrons?

Thanks

1) Not in the codex, so just in the white dwarf (maybe they'll put it on black library at some point?)
2) No

**rtb01**

1. Yes
2. No

**Bangbangboom**

Cheers, guess I had better go buy the mag then.

**darkflame182**

So hou do you think whats a good load out for an warboss now ? the removal of 5 invul is just so impactfull for me i cant stand it :((

**mutantrocker**

Melcavuk wrote:
mutantrocker wrote:Sorry for repeating my question but I don't think it's been answered. Can boarding planks still be used for their old purpose as well as the disembarl/assault 2" buff?

nope sorry, its only the assault buff now.

Bugger. No more drive-by power klawing. Thanks for the info.

**Mumblez**

Bangbangboom wrote:
Cheers, guess I had better go buy the mag then.

This week's WDW was actually alright, there's a bit of lore in there and an actual battle report too! But yeah, the rules for the looted wagon alone make it worth it if you're an ork player.

Or if you don't want to give GW your money (which I can totally understand) just look below.

**Melcavuk**

mutantrocker wrote:
Melcavuk wrote:
mutantrocker wrote:Sorry for repeating my question but I don't think it's been answered. Can boarding planks still be used for their old purpose as well as the disembarl/assault 2" buff?

nope sorry, its only the assault buff now.

Bugger. No more drive-by power klawing. Thanks for the info.

Drive by Wrekkin Ball, D3 Strength 8 attacks, admittedly its a 3 inch "shooting" attack but its something.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Couple of minor issues I'm picking up:

Big meks (non mega armour) with KFF cant take any non-relic ranged weapons. Reasoning:
KFF Replaces Slugga
Mek Weapons says "A model can replace their RANGED weapon with one of the following"
So no KMB or KMS on a non mega Big Mek

Tank Bustas Big Nob has access to Melee weapon list but cant actually take anything, Reasoning:
Big Nob in Tank Busta unit is armed with Rokkit Launcha, Stick bombz, Tankbusta Bombz.
Melee weapon list: "A Model can replace their MELEE weapon with one of the following"
So yes they can access the list, but have nothing to exchange to get a weapon

**steve1**

Wait so Badrukk has a weapon called "Da Rippa" isn't that the name of Zhardsnarks Buzzsaw?

Speaking of Buzzsaws did I read they could be taken by nobs now and they are essentially Powerklaws with Armourbane?

Whats the points cost of one of those and what are the general limitations of taking them?

**Melcavuk**

Meks and Mega Nobz can take Killsaws (not buzz saws), which are armour bane power klaws. Normal nobz, and nobz in units do not have access to these.

Points cost varies (mega nobz pay 10 points to exchange both weapons for a pair of killsaws, Meks pay 20 to turn their choppas into a normal kill saw

**steve1**

Melcavuk wrote:
Meks and Mega Nobz can take Killsaws (not buzz saws), which are armour bane power klaws. Normal nobz, and nobz in units do not have access to these.

Points cost varies (mega nobz pay 10 points to exchange both weapons for a pair of killsaws, Meks pay 20 to turn their choppas into a normal kill saw

Ah, I was hoping normal nobz could have them (giving use to the buzzsaw arm you get with the nob kit)

**Melcavuk**

Big Choppas and Power Klaws only for normal Nobz sorry

**Perfect Organism**

Regular meks can take a killsaw, right? Seems like a good way to add tank-busting capabilities to any unit that couldn't take a power klaw.

Can Painboys not take killsaws? I seem to remember some story from the farsight supplement which mentioned a painboy who dual-wielded killsaws. How about power klaws, or is that huge scalpel glove on the new model just an unusual way of carrying his dok's tools?

Can the tankbusta nob at least take a tank hammer?

**Grimgor Skullbusta**

Melcavuk wrote:
mutantrocker wrote:
Melcavuk wrote:
mutantrocker wrote:Sorry for repeating my question but I don't think it's been answered. Can boarding planks still be used for their old purpose as well as the disembarl/assault 2" buff?

nope sorry, its only the assault buff now.

Bugger. No more drive-by power klawing. Thanks for the info.

Drive by Wrekkin Ball, D3 Strength 8 attacks, admittedly its a 3 inch "shooting" attack but its something.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Couple of minor issues I'm picking up:

Big meks (non mega armour) with KFF cant take any non-relic ranged weapons. Reasoning:
KFF Replaces Slugga
Mek Weapons says "A model can replace their RANGED weapon with one of the following"
So no KMB or KMS on a non mega Big Mek

Tank Bustas Big Nob has access to Melee weapon list but cant actually take anything, Reasoning:
Big Nob in Tank Busta unit is armed with Rokkit Launcha, Stick bombz, Tankbusta Bombz.
Melee weapon list: "A Model can replace their MELEE weapon with one of the following"
So yes they can access the list, but have nothing to exchange to get a weapon

I don't think that's a problem, as even if it's not stated, aren't all models considered to have a standard CCW in the core rules?

**Melcavuk**

Perfect Organism wrote:
Regular meks can take a killsaw, right? Seems like a good way to add tank-busting capabilities to any unit that couldn't take a power klaw.

Can Painboys not take killsaws? I seem to remember some story from the farsight supplement which mentioned a painboy who dual-wielded killsaws. How about power klaws, or is that huge scalpel glove on the new model just an unusual way of carrying his dok's tools?

Can the tankbusta nob at least take a tank hammer?

No killsaw or Klaw for the painboy, the thing on his hand is likely a combination of Doks tools and Urty Syringe.
Regular meks can take kill saws
Depends on which comes first, Boss Nob Cannot but Tankbusta can, so if he takes it then upgrades (because upgrading doesnt change his wargear) You could argue he can have it.

**TedNugent**

Melcavuk wrote:

Nope, breaking heads is the result every is dreading, the Nob beating the bejesus out of his own mob to keep them in the fight (D6 str 4 hits). Essentially the Nob/Boss beats up his own boys, the mob takes the hits, and they keep in the fight. It protects the nob/character from taking hits |rerolls that result) or the mob fleeing if they arent in combat.

Wait a minute. That's the 2-6 result. Edit: Breaking heads is the 2-3 result.

Hypothetically, if I have a mob less than 10 Orks with a Nob and a bosspole. If I fail a leadership test and roll a 5 on the animosity chart, can I reroll that result?

**RedNoak**

Perfect Organism wrote:
TableTopJosh wrote:
The changes are whatever, a slight buff there a slight nerf there, its just sitting weird because its not what must of us were expecting.

Really? Because to me, this release looks rather predictable...

They changed invulnerable saves to be consistent with other armies.
They generally buffed weak units and nerfed the stronger ones.
They added more random tables / random values.
They changed the weirdboy to be consistent with other psykers.
They included a couple of things that reference back to the 1st/2nd edition books.
They gave us a range of moderately good ranged anti-armour options.

not really...
no other army cant get invuls
boyz got nerfed, lootaz got buffed
meh -.-
still got his own chart and way of gettin charges
like no mobrule
wich anti armour option are you talking about? big guns? those things competing with buffed lootaz, flashgitz, looted/battlewagons, dreads and kanz?

i'm really struggling to find any good new thing that didnt nerfed an old rule...

just take the stormboyz example... they are much cheaper now and can be taken in larger numbers! but are much more slower and suffer ALOT of self-inflicted damage
there's no real win here...

Melcavuk wrote:

Nope, breaking heads is the result every is dreading, the Nob beating the bejesus out of his own mob to keep them in the fight (D6 str 4 hits). Essentially the Nob/Boss beats up his own boys, the mob takes the hits, and they keep in the fight. It protects the nob/character from taking hits |rerolls that result) or the mob fleeing if they arent in combat.

by the way...
1. is the killkannon still str7 24"?
2. and what happens if the nob is the only surviving model? he beats himself to death?

**Daveh**

Hi Melcavuk

Can you tell me the str of the Kill Kannon?