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How did Tau come up twice in a format that requires Psykers? The only way is by paying an ally tax, which itself can weaken some of the Taus best traits at low point levels.

Jefffar wrote:
How did Tau come up twice in a format that requires Psykers? The only way is by paying an ally tax, which itself can weaken some of the Taus best traits at low point levels.

Probably Taudar. That may explain why though...

I would say most necron builds would eat that list for breakfast... but then necrons can't take psykers so cron only players im guessing are excluded from your tournie?

Poly Ranger wrote:
I would say most necron builds would eat that list for breakfast... but then necrons can't take psykers so cron only players im guessing are excluded from your tournie?

They can ally with Orks I believe, who can take weirdboyz.
Then again, I don't really bother with allies, so I could be wrong.

Fair enough.
To make it better I would drop the psydread and vindicare, also the plasma pistol and power armour on the inquisitor. Get a Landraider crusader with psybolts and a mm. Now get 8 more henchmen. Put 4 in the raider and 4 in the raven. Niw the opponent has to destroy your current two units, a landraider a stormraven and a further 2 units to deny your scoring. All whilst ignoring the knight.

You know, I just realized he has a knight in a 1200 point game.
This may explain a bit...

From my experience, and this certainly varies meta to meta, but where I live, allot of the people who play at GW are the people who play with if-it-looks-cool-put-it-in-my-list type mentality, with next to no strategy. This is because the GW manager doesnt get strategy, and wont tell anybody NOT to put something in there list. You like how boivores look? take them, they can be usefull.
So the people who get started and play there are generally very bad at the game. Now of course the veterans are not this way, but the GW foos much outway the amount of vetrans.
Bring the list to other flgs and try it.
I expect differnet results

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
You know, I just realized he has a knight in a 1200 point game.
This may explain a bit...

You can have a knight in a 750 point game

 Sir Arun wrote:

You can have a knight in a 750 point game

Doesn't make it a particularly sporting thing to do.

Going off of the original list, If we are playing at 1200 and you have to have a psyker, my bike army could table you on turn one if I got first turn, Knight or not. I wouldn't care about the storm raven at that point, because I would have 6 scoring units still on the board, and a storm raven is not that effective at killing bikes. I bring 5 melta weapons at 1250, and could easily make the list work at 1200. I would say you need more scoring units, and drop the Raven, it is in no way neccessary at 1200 points. That is 250 or so points you could spend on your army.

 obsidiankatana wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:

You can have a knight in a 750 point game

Doesn't make it a particularly sporting thing to do.

Blame GW, dont blame the people merely using (not abusing) the rules.

Blame GW, dont blame the people merely using (not abusing) the rules.

I blame the people playing low point games. The idea of a balanced TAC list is nigh impossible at 1850 these days. Having a reliable counter to everything opponents can throw at you is not going to happen at 1200 points.

All that being said, the OPs list isn't that good at all. Smart opponents play the mission, and a couple of small Inquisitorial henchman units shouldn't be enough to win many games.

 Sir Arun wrote:

 obsidiankatana wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:

You can have a knight in a 750 point game

Doesn't make it a particularly sporting thing to do.

Blame GW, dont blame the people merely using (not abusing) the rules.

To be fair you have miserable scoring if you do that. It also could just as easily end up hard countered by someone with a stormraven with a MM , a vendetta IG, or even a troops spam list, lol.

Coatez

Henchmen: 3 mm servitors, 1 acolyte with bolter (coatez here)
Chimera
2 hb, psybolts

Henchmen: 5 acolytes with stormbolters
Chimera
2 hb, psybolts

Henchmen: 5 acolytes
Landraider Crusader
Mm, psybolts

Stormraven
Tl mm, tl ac, hurricane bolters, psybolts

Knight errant

1200pts

3 scoring units now all in transports. 1 of those in an av14 transport. Coatez can still use his rule with 3 mms from the chimera. The other chimera and its unit is great anti-horde. As is the raider.
I think the raider, and 2 chimeras > conversion beamer, psydread, vindicare and joekero.

The guys at my store know what I'm like and know I play with models I like, not what works best, and doesn't always work out for me, however I posted this thread so I could find ways to improve this list, not to be an ass, so I don't really appreciate condersending remarks.

I have been so surprised how well this has been doing, I thought it was gonna be a train wreck, however it's working. I know the huge lack of troops is my weakness here and I just wanna improve on it. (There is a stipulation if an army has no psykers, they can ally any psyker without restrictions)

There have been suggestions on how to improve it... see my 2 most recent posts^. Among others.

I'm sorry this screams, "Hey guys look how cool my ubercheese list is, please tell me I'm awesome!!!"

But if for whatever reason the dude who claims he is undefeated truly needs help tailoring a cheese list then I would suggest (as others have) you drop the Rifle Dread and get more bodies on the field, you can spam Bolter Dudes pretty cheap, I'd prolly take some plasma too and maybe even keep a couple crusaders around for the cheap Inv

Biophysical wrote:
I don't understand how you beat Tau with this list. With the amount of cover-denying stuff they can bring, the Vindicare, Inquisitors, and Henchmen are incredibly easy kills. In a KP game, that's 5 kp, in an objective game, that's all your scoring units. The Inquisitors + Henchmen would be gone the first turn. Either way, it's almost assured to give up the StW point, probably First Blood, too. If I remember correctly, Knights don't even score except as part of a primary detachment.

I don't understand how he's playing against Tau, since the rules require a Psyker and we don't have any.


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... which has already been pointed out. That's what I get for not reading page 2...

Poly Ranger wrote:
Coatez

Henchmen: 3 mm servitors, 1 acolyte with bolter (coatez here)
Chimera
2 hb, psybolts

Henchmen: 5 acolytes with stormbolters
Chimera
2 hb, psybolts

Henchmen: 5 acolytes
Landraider Crusader
Mm, psybolts

Stormraven
Tl mm, tl ac, hurricane bolters, psybolts

Knight errant

1200pts

3 scoring units now all in transports. 1 of those in an av14 transport. Coatez can still use his rule with 3 mms from the chimera. The other chimera and its unit is great anti-horde. As is the raider.
I think the raider, and 2 chimeras > conversion beamer, psydread, vindicare and joekero.

If Coteaz is in his Chimera he can't use "I've been Expecting You!" because he doesn't have Line of Sight. Firepoints are only for firing, nothing else.

Furthermore Coteaz can't cast prescience or any other blessing on the knight from inside the Chimera. That being said you don't have enough troops to field coteaz on foot.

It's an improvement over the 2 troop list, but still vulnerable to losing it's troops.

Counters for the list,

Go 2nd so you have a turn to kill the henchies in the raider when they disembark to take an objective.

Reserve troops. Combined with going 2nd it maximizes the # of missed shooting phases.

This list has a superfluous psyfle dread and vindicaire that reduces the number of troops it has to such pitiful levels that a lucky go from two hell hounds could remove all scoring ability from it. How did it get a 5-0-0 WDL ratio?


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 ninjafiredragon wrote:
From my experience, and this certainly varies meta to meta, but where I live, allot of the people who play at GW are the people who play with if-it-looks-cool-put-it-in-my-list type mentality, with next to no strategy. This is because the GW manager doesnt get strategy, and wont tell anybody NOT to put something in there list. You like how boivores look? take them, they can be usefull.
So the people who get started and play there are generally very bad at the game. Now of course the veterans are not this way, but the GW foos much outway the amount of vetrans.
Bring the list to other flgs and try it.
I expect differnet results

But biovores are superb units...

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
but where I live, allot of the people who play at GW are the people who play with if-it-looks-cool-put-it-in-my-list type mentality

I wish there were more players like this and less WAAC players. The amount of symmetrical spam-the-broken-units lists I see are sickening.

Couldn't a unit of Centurions with Tigurius really wreck this thing pretty quickly?

Or eldar with allied marines, taking centurions?

Or taking a Warhound titan, because it's escalation and I bought the book so screw you?

Or LOTS of haywire?

Or 1200 points of just cultists with Belakor and a dark apostle?

Dustin V wrote:

 randomtoaster wrote:
Currently i'm in a local GW campaign (1200 points and must have a psyker), and so far i've gone 5-0 atm, nothing has come close yet. I've taken down Tau twice, Ultramarines, Blood Angels and Dark Angels, and i'm finding it hard to see why any of these games haven't been close (4 out of 5 games were a whitewash), how can I make this list stronger?

I honestly can't tell if you are trolling or not. You have a Storm Raven which is akin to a flying Land Raider and an Imperial Knight at 1200 pts on top of Coteaz and a Psyfle Dread......... Hopefully you've been playing there for awhile with your group and you are a decent enough fellow.

very true otherwise id worry about being labelled 'that guy" for a long while. your basically running a seal clubbing build

MasterOfGaunts wrote:
Think DE can ruin youre day...

was just thinking that list would melt to my DE list.

Clearly you haven't played against the Enclaves or the Aquila Strongpoint. Double tap your army and hide inside the fortification to lol a your Lascannons.

MasterOfGaunts wrote:
Think DE can ruin youre day...

DE would eat that list for breakfast and ask for seconds. I think a 1,000 point DE list would eat that army for breakfast.

That said, the OP indicated the format required a psyker. Which means you're obligated to buy up a Farseer at 1,200...which will weaken what makes DE so powerful at 1,500 or less..

Eh...I think a DE list built for that could still roflstomp this list, you'd just need to be clever in the build a bit. I normally woul dnever bother with Allies at that point total, so I'll admit, mentally, my reaction is 'eww!' considering what I'd need to do.


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 Exergy wrote:

MasterOfGaunts wrote:
Think DE can ruin youre day...

was just thinking that list would melt to my DE list.

I wouldn't mind seeing your 1200 + Psyker list if you had one.

If you just meant 'generic DE 1200 list then I totally agree with you though

A knight and a raven at that point level is going to feth over anything that doesn't have strong counters to it. Could change the title to "Can anyone see any weakness within this list? It's currently ruining everyones fun".

Drop Coteaz the assassin and henchman. Swap them out for a bare bones Inq with psychic communion. And two 5 man strike squads with Psycannons. With this you can neutralize the DS
Melta squads with warp quake and psychic communion modifies reserve rolls in any direction you choose by one. That leaves you're knight to trample everything. And much more survivable troop choices.

I get that the OP may be looking for help, but I think you've got a fine list if you are wiping the floor with all comers. It is a terribly one-sided list at 1200 if the other guy isn't expecting it, but I'd imagine that if you don't table a guy, you could lose pretty handily. As some people have said, I'd look to get more scoring units. I'd personally trade the knight for more troops, but that is me. At 1200, I try not to have a super heavy and a flyer. I'd go one or the other.