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GW is making getting out of their game easier and easier every day.

No points values so should be ok.


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Abandoning it on a rumor or have you seen photographic proof of this?


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Abandoning it on a rumor or have you seen photographic proof of this?


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I WISH it was a rumor. Avoiding apocalypse in regular games just became impossible, and the game just became that much more stupid. At least before you could say no escalation or stronghold. Now what are you going to say? Sure we can play, but you cant use units a, b or c from your codex because they were designed by drunks having fun with beer and pretzels forging a narrative of heavy drinking, instead of professional game designers.

Damn, the Executioner got Gets Hot! That sucks.

an S10 AP1 10" blast is an Apocalypse weapon? no. it is an epic and nasty weapon, all Imperial Guard artillery is. why is this so bad?

 viewfinder wrote:
an S10 AP1 10" blast is an Apocalypse weapon? no. it is an epic and nasty weapon, all Imperial Guard artillery is. why is this so bad?

oh I dunno. Mabye some of us like to play a game and not know the outcome after setting their pieces on the board.


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Also it CLEARLY says apocalyptic blast.

so a traditionally expensive and terrifying weapon gained two inches of blast radius and it is bad?

Query. How many people have even seen IG players with Deathstrikes?
I have a friend who has one. He used it once. I'd love to see him use it a lot more often. If that means eating a 10" pie plate then by the Emprah I will.

It's one shot only which could go off at any time and maybe turn 4 when it doesnt have much else to hit.

I think your more or less complaining about something that isn't even worth complaining about.

Would you prefer it to be one shot only Large blast? So you pay 150+pts for something which might do absolutely nothing due to no fault of your own.

 viewfinder wrote:
so a traditionally expensive and terrifying weapon gained two inches of blast radius and it is bad?

It went from 8-12" to 10". So I don't really see it as being that big of a deal.

Last checked, the rumors say that it still can't fire on the first turn, is still randomly determined when it does fire, and still stunned to being unable to fire. It's nowhere near as bad as some of the Str D bs.

It is only one shot though

I think I should learn to stay off Dakka for the first couple of weeks of a codex release.

People complain far too much.

If it's following the Apocalyptic Blast template rules than the center 5" is S10, AP1, but the next 5" is S8, AP4.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If it's following the Apocalyptic Blast template rules than the center 5" is S10, AP1, but the next 5" is S8, AP4.

If thats true, then the missile just took a nerf.

 Alphabet wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If it's following the Apocalyptic Blast template rules than the center 5" is S10, AP1, but the next 5" is S8, AP4.

If thats true, then the missile just took a nerf.

Yeah. I had to check my Apoc book because I know that template is ringed but I couldn't remember the spacing.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If it's following the Apocalyptic Blast template rules than the center 5" is S10, AP1, but the next 5" is S8, AP4.

You're thinking of the Apocoplyptic Mega Blast, the 15" one. The Apoclyptic blast is the same Str and AP for the entire template.
Mega Blast also doesn't have a set Str and AP for the rings, they are listed under the weapon (which if this was a AMB, would mean 15" Str 10 AP1... more powerful than an orbital strike)

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If it's following the Apocalyptic Blast template rules than the center 5" is S10, AP1, but the next 5" is S8, AP4.

You're thinking of the Apocoplyptic Mega Blast, the 15" one. The Apoclyptic blast is the same Str and AP for the entire template.
Mega Blast also doesn't have a set Str and AP for the rings, they are listed under the weapon (which if this was a AMB, would mean 15" Str 10 AP1... more powerful than an orbital strike)

You're right. My mistake.

Well I'm refraining from flipping tables until I see the full rules for the Deathstrike (and it's point cost).

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
(which if this was a AMB, would mean 15" Str 10 AP1... more powerful than an orbital strike)

Well to be fair if they actually did orbital strike proper the rules would pretty much say "pick a table quarter, anything in that table quarter is removed from play. That table quarter is now impassible terrain".

Basically, Deathstrikes (the actual weapon, anyway) has been more streamlined.
Here's hoping that GW put the rules for ABs in the codex.

I'm kinda tempted to make an IG army with all the Deathstrikes...

 dementedwombat wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
(which if this was a AMB, would mean 15" Str 10 AP1... more powerful than an orbital strike)

Well to be fair if they actually did orbital strike proper the rules would pretty much say "pick a table quarter, anything in that table quarter is removed from play. That table quarter is now impassible terrain".

I really hope that GW make this the next orbital strike rule.

People got angry over Allies/Escalation I can't imagine how Dakka would react

To be fair, they're really just standardizing it from its previous incarnation. They're giving it a flat 10" diameter template instead of a random 8-12" blast.

It was also S10 AP1 no cover in its previous incarnation as well.

*Nothing* new here really.


I'm only assuming this is now news to people because nobody used it previously as the damn thing wouldn't ever actually fire before it got killed previously (at best going off turn 2 on a 5+) whereas now it has a higher chance of getting to fire each turn (now goes off turn 2 on a 3+) and doesn't suffer penalties for shaken/stunned anymore.

Are you trying to tell me GW removed a random (cinematic) element from the game?

I don't believe you.

 Orock wrote:
GW is making getting out of their game easier and easier every day.

Clear overreaction, if you looked into the Death Strike rumors you would see that it cannot fire the first turn meaning if you go first you have 2 turns to take out a 12-10-10 open topped vehicle. I feel SOO bad for you.

 gmaleron wrote:

 Orock wrote:
GW is making getting out of their game easier and easier every day.

Clear overreaction, if you looked into the Death Strike rumors you would see that it cannot fire the first turn meaning if you go first you have 2 turns to take out a 12-10-10 open topped vehicle. I feel SOO bad for you.

yes but everything is getting worse, remember?

I have never faced a Deathstrike, but I fear them nonetheless...

 Alphabet wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
(which if this was a AMB, would mean 15" Str 10 AP1... more powerful than an orbital strike)

Well to be fair if they actually did orbital strike proper the rules would pretty much say "pick a table quarter, anything in that table quarter is removed from play. That table quarter is now impassible terrain".

I really hope that GW make this the next orbital strike rule.

People got angry over Allies/Escalation I can't imagine how Dakka would react

As long as they point costed them appropriately (i.e. a 1000 point + wargear option) I would have absolutely no problem with that.

 Happyjew wrote:

 viewfinder wrote:
so a traditionally expensive and terrifying weapon gained two inches of blast radius and it is bad?

It went from 8-12" to 10". So I don't really see it as being that big of a deal.

Happy pretty much nailed it.

The Deathstrike was, and still is bad. It's just gotten a consistent blast radius. Any lamentation of this seems like sensationalism.

"Whoah, this thing has been around for years, but it has a 10" radius, instead of potentially a 12" one now? OMG Broken."

Nah, man. If this is the thing that ruins 40k for ya, I apologize, but I don't see it.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Are you trying to tell me GW removed a random (cinematic) element from the game?

I don't believe you.

The cinematic element will be whether it detonates on the launchpad or not.

I don't understand the outrage here? I've played the Deathstrike several times. All of the rules that have been in play for years are the same except one. And that rule change simply altered the blast radius of the weapon from an 8"/10"/12" (with an average of 10") blast radius to a consistent 10" blast radius.

Actually, it's somewhat of a nerf. The former rules did not use a blast template but merely a blast radius. The radius was three dimensional as you didn't use the blast template rules, just that all models within range of the marker take hits. With the requirement to use a blast template, you can no longer hit models on the second floor, which is kinda ludicrous for a tactical nuclear weapon.

So....nerf.