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**djphranq**

You know what would be cool? If Karen Traviss got to write for the new Star Wars movies.

**Paradigm**

gorgon wrote:

One point of order -- ST Into Darkness was a Space Seed reimagining, with nods to Wrath of Khan. It can't truly be WoK at their first meeting.

Fair enough, although what it did take from WoK (the scene with the glass/radiation, most notably) was an absolute sacrilege.

**easysauce**

I have heard rumours that all the old cast are being rounded up for this.... I just cannot see leias or lukes characters doing it... or even harrison ford.

I assume its just people yanking my chain, any truth to that rumour?

Boba is an awesome character, almost by accident I think.

Id say the really cool costume, and the fact that people have to make up their own "filler" with him a bit, coupled with the numerous "bad @$$" points he gets for looks/attitude/ect make him far more interesting then was intended.

If I had to single out one thing as to why he stands out, Id say its the costume.

better then the sotrm troopers, vaders, really, anyones costume in the whole film.

MAYBE chewie comes clost, but even then...

**Paradigm**

easysauce wrote:
I have heard rumours that all the old cast are being rounded up for this.... I just cannot see leias or lukes characters doing it... or even harrison ford.

I assume its just people yanking my chain, any truth to that rumour?

I've seen that too, and at the very least there have been reports of Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher talking to Abrams. I hope they do stay well away, but I expect them to feature.

Also, they've confirmed that R2D2 will be featuring in the new trilogy.

**Iron_Captain**

So at least we won't see Jaxxon. That is a relief.

**Paradigm**

There's also something we're forgetting on the Boba Fett matter:How could you not love this ship?

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

Hordini wrote:
Paradigm wrote:
Agent_Tremolo wrote:

But I'm intrigued by this standalone movie about Boba Fett. I still don't get all this love for him. Going by the original trilogy, he's just a nameless third-rate snitch who dies an undignified death at the Sarlacc pit along with a dozen equally worthless goons.

I think it's probably self-perpetuating. I think he probably has one of the best popularity-to-actual-lines ratio of any film character, so there's already a myth around him when new people discover Star Wars. Regardless of how it started, it's continued by the way that, when a dad shows his kid Empire Strikes Back and goes 'that guy there, he's cool', the myth goes on.

It could also be the fact that this is a guy who can stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Vader and Jabba the Hutt without seeming out of place, so he's pretty badass. He's the guy that manages to take in Han Solo, or at least instigate it, so he's pretty badass. And he has a jetpack and wrist-blaster, so he's pretty badass.

I agree with you on his popularity-to-lines ratio, but I think, in addition to that, the lines that he does have are critical, and paint a pretty good picture, and goes hand-in-hand with what you said about him being able to stand with Vader and Jabba without seeming out of place.

A couple examples: When Vader has assembled the bounty hunters, he specifically singles out Fett when Vader demands there be "No disintegrations." Although Fett agrees to Vader's terms, the interaction illustrates that Fett has already established a ruthless reputation, and that reputation is well-known enough that Vader himself is familiar with it.

The other example is when Vader orders Han be encased in carbonite. Fett doesn't hesitate to question Vader, and reminds Vader that Han is worth a lot to Fett. Outside of Grand Moff Tarkin and the officer Vader chokes in A New hope, you don't even see high-ranking Imperial officers confronting Vader, especially not in the way Fett does.

Both of these brief interactions add a lot of weight to Fett's reputation as a badass with relatively minimal lines and screen time. It's actually a pretty effective way to quickly develop a minor supporting character.

To me the Disintegration point implies he's been careless and disintegrated targets before which isn't really a great thing when you're a bounty hunter
He then procedes to be completely useless in the one fight he's in and dies pretty poorly, never understood that hype around him.

**chaos0xomega**

Actually its perfectly fine when you're a bounty hunter, in Star Wars (unlike in real life) being a bounty hunter means bringing in a target dead or alive, depending on the bounty contract.

**Talizvar**

Keep:
- Rough and ugly ships with lots of scorch marks.
- Insane speed ships with no shielding.
- More combat oriented Jedi.
- Huge freaking space battles.
- A "good guy" that shoots first.
- Can anyone slip in "HK-47" the assassin droid, PLEASE!

**Jihadin**

If I see Rise of the Jawa's....let the burning commmence

**SilverMK2**

I don't really like any of the Star Wars films so I just want to see a good film. Ideally completely removed from the films that already exist since to me they are poor in pretty much every way a film can be.

I don't care if they use or don't use the extended universe and I don't expect the vast majority of people who would go and see the film really care if Bobba Han Vader Hutt is in the film because it was in the EU somewhere either.

**Knockagh**

Paradigm wrote:
There's also something we're forgetting on the Boba Fett matter:How could you not love this ship?

For me this is it, not just the ship it's his whole character. He is a bounty hunter not bound to either side he free roams the galaxy making his own adventures. I know it's not a direct parallel but it's similar to the free roaming of the rogue trader that originally attracted me to 40k, the space adventurer off exploring, Fett allows the story to diverge from the big picture of the politics of the galaxy into something far more interesting. we have lost the rogue trader element in 40k so I would love to see this avenue opened up through the star wars universe.

**Ma55ter_fett**

Jihadin wrote:
On one of my many deployment.....seating there reading the Alpha Prime(?) loaded M4 by me.....guy next to me ask me if I've gotten to the part where Chewie dies....

"The question is, if I have gotten to the part where you die." Says Jihadin in my mind as he glances idly down at the weapon beside him.

Also in my mind you are seated on a litter of cushions and a woman clad in pearls (and only pearls) is feeding you grapes with her toes because fetish.

OT, I guess EU = expanded universe? In which case I don't mind them tossing it out and starting over since that stuff is pretty convoluted from what I understand.

**Ahtman**

djphranq wrote:
You know what would be cool? If Karen Traviss got to write for the new Star Wars movies.

I'm hoping you rolled your eyes when you wrote that.

Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, and Mark Hamill being in it have passed being a rumor awhile ago; they are reprising their roles for the film(s).

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Ma55ter_fett wrote:
OT, I guess EU = expanded universe? In which case I don't mind them tossing it out and starting over since that stuff is pretty convoluted from what I understand.

Yes to the former and latter.

**Gitzbitah**

Jihadin wrote:
If I see Rise of the Jawa's....let the burning commmence

Now see, I would love to see that movie!

The Jawas raid Obi-Wan's hut and recover a cache of Jedi training tools. In time, they trade most to another Sandcrawler, which uses the force for evil.Luke detects the disturbance and returns to lead the light Jawa Jedis in an epic race against time to destroy the dark Jedi Jawas. They almost succeed. but Darth Dathcha escapes on his mind controlled Krayt Dragon to his secret base in the maw of the Sarlacc. There, he begins training his apprentice- Boba Fett.

edit- Oh- and the Sithlacc!

**djphranq**

Ahtman wrote:

I'm hoping you rolled your eyes when you wrote that.

I did roll my eyes... in utter ecstasy... I <3 KT 4 Life!

**Jihadin**

I'm always good if there is a good epic aerial battle of immense ground battle.

**Darth Bob**

I'm okay with minimal EU inclusion as long as we still get Thrawn. I love that guy.

**Jihadin**

Imagine if Vader sided with Thrawn...

**Ahtman**

djphranq wrote:
Ahtman wrote:

I'm hoping you rolled your eyes when you wrote that.

I did roll my eyes... in utter ecstasy... I <3 KT 4 Life!

I don't have anything against here personally, but she is an incredibly divisive figure, what with referring to people that questioned some of the lore she made up in her books as Star Wars Taliban, err..Talifan, and Nazis.

**Cheesecat**

Talizvar wrote:
Keep:
- Rough and ugly ships with lots of scorch marks.
- Insane speed ships with no shielding.
- More combat oriented Jedi.
- Huge freaking space battles.
- A "good guy" that shoots first.
- Can anyone slip in "HK-47" the assassin droid, PLEASE!

Didn't the prequels give us a more combat oriented Jedi already, either way I'm not sure that really makes them anymore interesting as what makes good action on screen isn't the amount of it but how it's used.

**timetowaste85**

I actually liked the YV series, I know I'm a minority. And the whole Han/Lando/Fett hate-triangle was all explained in the Han Solo Trilogy, which is now out. Despite Han and Lando publicly humiliating Fett and tossing his armor into a furnace and making him walk through town in just his underwear. I'd be pissed too, if I was as proud as Fett. And of course, it explains why Lando was upset with Han, and why Han doesn't really give two craps about the rebels until Leia and Luke befriend him. Also explains why Chewie owes Han a life debt. In fact...that trilogy is extremely important. And now gone. Feth!!

**chromedog**

No EU?

Can't say I'm not happy about it.
For all the gems that the EU did have, there was a lot of dross to sort through to find them.

Without Zahn, the EU wouldn't have the presence it does today - they took a chance on something which re-ignited the flagging fan interest in the SW universe. At the time, SW WAS a dying thing.

**djphranq**

Ahtman wrote:
djphranq wrote:
Ahtman wrote:

I'm hoping you rolled your eyes when you wrote that.

I did roll my eyes... in utter ecstasy... I <3 KT 4 Life!

I don't have anything against here personally, but she is an incredibly divisive figure, what with referring to people that questioned some of the lore she made up in her books as Star Wars Taliban, err..Talifan, and Nazis.

I've read about that but I still like her work.

**Jehan-reznor**

My expectations are really low after lucas's last 3 abominations of films and the butchering of the original films. It cannot be worse than that but you never know.

**djones520**

I find the Yhuuzan Vong hate interesting. That was actually where I started reading EU, and it's what got me hooked into it. It caused me to go back and read previous books because I wanted to know more about the characters.

And I'm not mad at Salvatore about killing Chewie. It wasn't his choice, he was told he had to do it.

**Johnnytorrance**

I don't understand the facsination with Boba Fett either. Even when I was a little kid I didn't know why he was so cool. It was as if Lucas didn't like the attention he got in the Empire Strikes back and killed him in Jedi just to spite everyone.

Then he makes him a big deal in the remakes, changes his voice for the Blu-Rays and includes him in the prequels along with his dad.

WTF over?

**Manchu**

So long EU! I won't miss any part of you!

**Shredsmore**

I honestly love just about everything in the Star Wars expanded universe, so this has me kind of worried.

**LordofHats**

djphranq wrote:
You know what would be cool? If Karen Traviss got to write for the new Star Wars movies.

Don't you dare suggest such a Travissty. It's bad enough she ruined Halo damn it.

Besides we all know how the story would go. Awesome warrior guy gos and fights evil scientist to show how hypocritical scientist is and warrior guy is way better; like every single book she's ever written.

I don't understand the facsination with Boba Fett

He had the coolest action figure.

And I'm not mad at Salvatore about killing Chewie. It wasn't his choice, he was told he had to do it.

See Chewie is a good example of properly killing a character. Chewie had a great death. One that felt meaningful, in character, and overall was an improvement to the story. I liked Chewie's demise. It was one of the high points of the EU for me. The same for the death of Anakin Solo. Killing characters is hard to do, but the EU, when it leaves them dead, has often done a decent job with most of its major characters (Mara Jade was not one of them

).