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 AegisGrimm wrote:
The problem I have is that if all the EU is out for Disney, how are they planning on explaining what happened during all those intervening years from Episode 6-7 when doing the setup for this movie? That's a huge time lapse to simply wave away. Just say "nothing of note" happened for several decades, in the crawl before the movie?

If only there was a way to quickly explain, at the beginning of the movie, whats been going on over the past few years...

Dear god Grey Templar... That's just crazy enough to work.

I know right. Its almost like it was made for the movie

Just say "nothing of note" happened for several decades, in the crawl before the movie?

"If only" people could post something that wasn't a snarky, nasty comment to make themselves look cool and superior. But hey, whatever.

Well come on man. The point of the opening crawl is to set the stage. We don't need to know every event of the past 15 years to catch up for a 2-3 hour story (and lets be honest, between all the special effects and action sequences, its gonna be more like a 1 hours story with regular intermission).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It wasn't that at all. There was a specific system set up, and there were people who looked after the history of SW (pre- and post-movies). Disney is saying that these are not, basically, an alternate timeline.

That's what LucasArts said, yes.

If you've ever listened to Lucas himself speak on the EU, though? It's pretty clear he regards none of it as canon. His habit of purloining ideas, characters, designs, etc. and incorporating them without regard for whether or not such incorporation makes sense given their original source should tell you all you need to know about his opinion of the EU.

I think it's pretty apparent that Lucas came to hate his fans, and likewise came to regard the works that fans often loved more than his own with maybe more hate than what he felt for his fans.

I mean, he renamed Korriban, one of the most iconic planets of the EU to Moraband for like no damn reason. It's like he was just trying to find a minor way to spite the fan base.

 LordofHats wrote:
I think it's pretty apparent that Lucas came to hate his fans

I get the impression the feeling was mutual.

 Ahtman wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
I think it's pretty apparent that Lucas came to hate his fans

I get the impression the feeling was mutual.

I don't hate him, I just want him to be frozen in carbonite;



Because I hate him

I'd freeze him, and then bury the slab along with some Nuclear waste.

 LordofHats wrote:
I think it's pretty apparent that Lucas came to hate his fans, and likewise came to regard the works that fans often loved more than his own with maybe more hate than what he felt for his fans.

I mean, he renamed Korriban, one of the most iconic planets of the EU to Moraband for like no damn reason. It's like he was just trying to find a minor way to spite the fan base.

Like anybody cared about the new name he gave Korriban.

Fans take their gak super serially

While I enjoy playing in some mocking hate of Lucas, I mostly pity the man. He was riding high when everyone only had positive things to say about his work, but when he made something less than good and everyone called him out on it, he freaked. He's the most childish creator in Hollywood, throwing temper tantrums because people had the gaul to tell him his newest movies just weren't that good.

So so started a downward spiral of Lucas being a big baby and his fans growing more and more spiteful. He got more, far more, than he deserved, but he's hardly the only creator with haters. What he is is one of the few creators to respond to his haters with hate and to lump in everyone who still liked him with the haters in a scorched earth campaign against his own franchise*.

I guess he just got sick of it all in the end. Hopefully he's happier now that he's not involved.

*An illustrious position he shares with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

 StarTrotter wrote:
Like anybody cared about the new name he gave Korriban.

I understand it's a pretty big deal to the Old Republic MMO players.

 StarTrotter wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
I think it's pretty apparent that Lucas came to hate his fans, and likewise came to regard the works that fans often loved more than his own with maybe more hate than what he felt for his fans.

I mean, he renamed Korriban, one of the most iconic planets of the EU to Moraband for like no damn reason. It's like he was just trying to find a minor way to spite the fan base.

Like anybody cared about the new name he gave Korriban.

Perhaps the planet was just renamed in the thousands of years between the Old Republic Era and the Clone Wars era, or perhaps someone finally figured out that this was where all the sith were coming from and nuked it from orbit like they should have done in the first place.

Well, I might try the book written by Hearne. He's the only author in that group I've heard of and I enjoy the Iron Druid novels.

That said outside of the Heir of Empire trilogy, Rogue Squadron, and I, Jedi (I like Horn damnit!) I don't give a crap about the EU. It jumped the shark for me a long time ago with the Vong. Till that point I read everything Star Wars put out regardless of how good or bad it was. And there were some stinkers.

Oddly I think one of my biggest issues with the prequels was how Lucas spit on the world Zhan had helped revitalize. And then the actual movies happened

I'm trusting Disney on this. They've given us a Marvel universe that is only getting better. So I'm hoping they can do the same with Star Wars.

 Hulksmash wrote:

That said outside of the Heir of Empire trilogy, Rogue Squadron, and I, Jedi (I like Horn damnit!) I don't give a crap about the EU.

But Shadows of the Empire...

Oops, forgot that one. I'll allow that one in The rest, to the rubbish bin!!!!

I have to admit, I really like the deliberate way Disney is beginning this universal reboot- and I hold no illusions that that is what has taken place here. Heir to the Jedi as the initial standalone novel, meant to revitalize a franchise as Heir to the Empire did all those years ago is too self aware a reference to the Star Wars meta. After 'Empire', you had 'Jedi', and so this universe is the natural sequel to a time that pushed the Star Wars Universe to the darkest brinks of destruction.

I admit, I would rather have a clean break like this than the constant revisions that were previously implemented. 'Han shot first', or the twenty origins of Boba Fett remain in my eyes as the worst offenders of the old EU's shifting realities.

May this usher in a time of peace and order in the galaxy! I'll show my respect by getting these titles form the library once they are out. Star Wars literature has always required previewing before purchasing.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
The problem I have is that if all the EU is out for Disney, how are they planning on explaining what happened during all those intervening years from Episode 6-7 when doing the setup for this movie? That's a huge time lapse to simply wave away. Just say "nothing of note" happened for several decades, in the crawl before the movie?

If only there was a way to quickly explain, at the beginning of the movie, whats been going on over the past few years...

So... I'm actually wondering if the opening crawl is going to remain... you see, the opening of the Star Wars films is actually in violation of Screen Actors Guild or Film Directors Guild rules, which requires that there be opening credits or whatever. George Lucas got around this by leaving the Guild and using non-union actors, but Lucasfilm was a privately owned company that could get away with that... Disney... not so much.

 LordofHats wrote:
I think it's pretty apparent that Lucas came to hate his fans, and likewise came to regard the works that fans often loved more than his own with maybe more hate than what he felt for his fans.

I mean, he renamed Korriban, one of the most iconic planets of the EU to Moraband for like no damn reason. It's like he was just trying to find a minor way to spite the fan base.

Didn't the episode state that Korriban was the ancient name for the planet though?

That said outside of the Heir of Empire trilogy, Rogue Squadron, and I, Jedi (I like Horn damnit!) I don't give a crap about the EU. It jumped the shark for me a long time ago with the Vong. Till that point I read everything Star Wars put out regardless of how good or bad it was. And there were some stinkers.

Agreed (also you forgot Shadows!!!)

Oddly I think one of my biggest issues with the prequels was how Lucas spit on the world Zhan had helped revitalize.

What you mean the timeline/historical inconsistencies with the Thrawn trilogies description of the Clone Wars? Well, to be fair, Zahn was provided all that information by Lucas, so he really wasn't 'spitting' on Zahn, as Zahn didn't come up with any of that stuff, if anything he was spitting on himself (which isn't surprising considering how many revisions and changes the films have gone through in their production histories). As they say, the Lucas giveth, and the Lucas taketh away again.

I'm trusting Disney on this. They've given us a Marvel universe that is only getting better. So I'm hoping they can do the same with Star Wars.

This is perhaps one of the few things I can sorta agree with, though I'm still adverse to reading Marvel comics, and this only lasts until Dinsey-Marvel decides to reboot the entire universe AGAIN, otherwise it isn't *that* big an improvement, ffs the superior spiderman is becoming peter parker again... let the dead stay dead damnit!

Also, is there anything really substantial to go on with this whole Lucas hates Star Wars fans thing? or is it all just butthurt fan-slander?

Zhan still brought the god awful idea of Lucas's to life with his outline of the old republic and clone wars so it's still spitting (to me) on the author who revitalized your brand. Especially when Zhan probably had to fix the idea like so many of Lucas's writers/directors in the initial trilogy had to

But then again I pretty much loathe Lucas so I might be a bit biased.

I dont understand the Lucas hate. I mean, I understand not being happy with him for his ceaseless revisions to the films, and some poor choices made with the prequels, and the retcons to things that EU authors made, but it is his universe and setting, and without him none of it would exist.

 Seaward wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
Like anybody cared about the new name he gave Korriban.

I understand it's a pretty big deal to the Old Republic MMO players.

In SWtOR it is still called Korriban.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I'd freeze him, and then bury the slab along with some Nuclear waste.

No, no. Buried with the Atari 2600 ET video games is penance enough.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I dont understand the Lucas hate. I mean, I understand not being happy with him for his ceaseless revisions to the films, and some poor choices made with the prequels, and the retcons to things that EU authors made, but it is his universe and setting, and without him none of it would exist.

And without his collaborators it would have been a much shittier universe that very few cared about. I'm sure you have seen the making of documentaries on the original trilogy, and know how much of it was changed by the directors/producers/actors involved. It wasn't developed in a vacuum until the prequels, and those are terrible. I agree that hate is to strong an emotion, though I do get it as people tend to get emotional when you stomp all over something they love with such disregard for both them and it. I think he is just a great producer and terrible at everything else involved in film making.

As they say, the Lucas giveth, and the Lucas taketh away again.

Which is why the authors of the EU should have seen this coming a mile away.

Call me weird, but frankly, this is why any good agent, publisher, or lawyer, warns writers about fan fiction.

Fan fiction is a dangerous thing for multiple reasons for a creator. At one point, Lucas gave people the go ahead to write in his universe and develop it. Yes he owns it. Yes he set up a teired canon. But it's a pandora's box. Fans became attached to the EU. They loved it like they loved the films. Once you've done that, you can't just disregard it and not expect consequences.

I enjoyed the Dark Fleet trilogy and Shadows of the Empire. However, I am looking forward to completely new material, because, you know, surprises and stuff!

So, I was just revisiting some EU stuff in my free time at work...

I think Grand Admiral Thrawn's last words are quite fitting, and given that he is perhaps the most iconic and memorable figure of the EU, and his trilogy perhaps one of the greatest losses in the reset, it seems appropriate that he would be the one to utter them:

"But it was so artistically done."

I thin thats going on my May the 4th tattoo.

I do think that Lucas not being the director is healthy for the brand. He is such an awesome idea guy, but then he does a complete 180 when it comes to being a director, and is absolute crap. I credit most of what's wrong with the prequels to everyone around him being absolute yes-men, so every harebrained idea got greenlit, because he's a "genius".

I mean isn't he the one that demanded Hayden Christiansen be "more melodramatic" with his deliveries? That was one of the worst things about the entire trilogy!

Not to mention green-screen everything.

Yeah, it's telling that the best Star Wars film (and one of the best films of all time), had almost nothing to do with Lucas himself.

And not only that, Lucas ended up massively falling out with Kirshner as a result of the film for various reasons, including the budget.

 Ahtman wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I dont understand the Lucas hate. I mean, I understand not being happy with him for his ceaseless revisions to the films, and some poor choices made with the prequels, and the retcons to things that EU authors made, but it is his universe and setting, and without him none of it would exist.

And without his collaborators it would have been a much shittier universe that very few cared about. I'm sure you have seen the making of documentaries on the original trilogy, and know how much of it was changed by the directors/producers/actors involved. It wasn't developed in a vacuum until the prequels, and those are terrible. I agree that hate is to strong an emotion, though I do get it as people tend to get emotional when you stomp all over something they love with such disregard for both them and it. I think he is just a great producer and terrible at everything else involved in film making.

As they say, the Lucas giveth, and the Lucas taketh away again.

Which is why the authors of the EU should have seen this coming a mile away.

Didn't he direct THX 1138 and American Graffiti? Then again he could of got lucky and accidentally made good films.