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Kaine Larson wrote:
The rules use 25mm round bases but they will be supplied with your choice of 25mm round or 20mm square bases for the goblins, or 25mm square for the larger infantry. The bugbears and other "Brutes" as they will be known will be supplied with 35mm round or square bases. Your choice.

This sounds great. With scale creep over the years, most infantry looks very squished on 20mm square.

That sounds absolutely tiny!

Then again, when all you paint and work with are Privateer's Trollbloods and Mierce monsters, everything looks miniscule as it is.

Look forward to checking out those rules. Hope they play fast! I like the idea of magical item cards too. Reminds me of the old Mage Knight 2.0 stuff- in a good way!

Wow, missed this til now!

Great choice of openers- I love goblins, and I have been waiting for some hard plastic lizardfolk that I'd actually like to buy for AGES!

I am likely not going to pledge without seeing a 3up though.

That said, what is the planned "scale" for these. Are we talking heroic 28mm like GW or truescale 28mm like some of mantic's, most historicals and LOTR/Red Box Games?

The concepts are fantastic, and I would love to be impressed enough to pledge!

More on the heroic side I would say. We will have some 3ups done before the kickstarter but we won't have all of them done. I am not a sculptor and they are hugely expensive to do. I will try and get as many done as possible before the kickstarter begins. I will certainly have some of the standard greens done along the way. One thing I can assure you is that the quality will be excellent. I am a perfectionist and a complete figure snob myself. I don't buy poor or average sculpts and certainly won't have them as part of my own range!!! Work on the first of the 3ups starts very soon. I may be able to get some head shots done fairly quickly.

I am really waiting for a picture of some of the first actual goblin models.

As long as they're not *too* heroic... there's definitely a balance to be struck there between twig-thin spear shafts (GW LotR) and 6-foot long one-handed swords as wide as the model's torso. (GW Warhammer).

Especially with proportions, as soon as those start getting too ridiculous, I instantly switch off, no matter how good the sculpting is.

I do like your sketches a lot and think that a direct 3d conversion of them would work great for the models.

I mostly prefer truescale with some slight heroic scaling, just enough to get away from the kind of scaling that historicals use, but not enough to look horribly goofy.

If it's more heroic, I'll probably pledge big for Lizards if they look good. I've got a lot of Gobbos of various kinds already. If they are impressive enough though I could be persuaded!

Best of luck with this.

The models will be more like the Perry's Lotr range but they will be more robust than them. I will settle for a happy medium between the two. I will give you a size comparison as soon as the first green is done. I will also paint a couple up to give you an idea of how they will look. There will be nothing too extreme in this range. I like realistic looking miniatures and there will certainly not be any "swords as big as the wielder" syndrome, certainly not with goblins!!! Wait for the pics of the models and make your minds up!!

I hope there's a nice "get your foot in the door" pledge level for around $20-$25. It might just be for a couple sprues, maybe a sample of 1 of each kind, but it will sure help people like me who might be wary of dropping hundreds of dollars on an untested product by an unheard-of company. Then, there are the add ons...



PS: Note how I used "dollars" instead of "pounds". That was intentional. Anything that costs 25 pounds (plus shipping?) is not an impulse buy. And Kickstarter still tends to skew towards an American bias. Dollar signs will bring in more pledges.

PPS: You should ship all Australian orders first. That will really throw people off-guard.

 scarletsquig wrote:


I mostly prefer truescale with some slight heroic scaling, just enough to get away from the kind of scaling that historicals use, but not enough to look horribly goofy.

I second this

Lizards are okay in heroic scale. They're fantasy lizards, the bigger the better I say! I am also crazy, so please take that into account as well.

I guess those would be the Deathscales you mentioned though. Lizards have got to be bigger than a typical human I hope. Both Barzam and myself and hoping we see at least one civilized lizard with some armor on!

Have we heard anything about what the various undead models will be like?

Also thinking bigger picture for a moment- when all is done with the campaign, do you think you'll be working with a pledge manager? Might not be a bad idea to explore those options- especially ones that allow us to use paypal!

Being a teacher sucks sometimes, as it means I have to be a bit more strict with my finances in the summertime (even though I get my paycheck distributed all 12 months of the year, August and September are always a bit tighter).

Heroic vs. truescale isn't really about size, more about proportions, how large the weapons are in relation to the rest of the mini and how large the hands, feet and heads are in relation to the torso (and sometimes, how small the legs are if you've got a french sculptor who does that weird leg thing that all french sculptors do).

A giant berserker lizardman can still happen, and be truescale as long as he looks like he's got the muscles to swing the huge weapons he's holding (from the sketches that looks very likely!).

Heroic scaling is when laws of physics get discarded in favour of artistic styling. Your run-of-the-mill miniature cheesecake chick with a gigantic 6 foot long weapon casually held in one tiny-wristed hand is a good example:



Doesn't make it a bad mini, just one that favours a more bombastic sculpting style.

Cool concept art, will be keeping an eye on this!

 scarletsquig wrote:
Heroic vs. truescale isn't really about size, more about proportions, how large the weapons are in relation to the rest of the mini and how large the hands, feet and heads are in relation to the torso (and sometimes, how small the legs are if you've got a french sculptor who does that weird leg thing that all french sculptors do).

Okay I'm curious here, what is this weird "leg thing" that french sculptors do?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Lizards are okay in heroic scale. They're fantasy lizards, the bigger the better I say! I am also crazy, so please take that into account as well.

I guess those would be the Deathscales you mentioned though. Lizards have got to be bigger than a typical human I hope. Both Barzam and myself and hoping we see at least one civilized lizard with some armor on!

I would suggest not being heroically scaled, but inhumanly scaled. The length of limbs, shape of the torso, size of the head and how the spine curves are all things that would change what the lizardmen would look like, ranging from the humanlike posture with bent legs of these D&D kobolds to a more forwards-angled posture like this art from DeviantArt.

The Zombie Abomination boxed set will be based around the insane workings of a Necromancer and a Liche Priest who will both be available as part of the faction as stretch goals. The basic boxed set will be the following:

Zombie Gravewalkers - these will be your basic zombie type but with a difference. I have had the idea of making them very much instruments of an insane mind. The Necromancer kits them out for war, attaching all manner of spikes and blades to them Some of the arms will be stumps with weapons attached. Some will have metal jaws or bots of armour. Their posing will be very twisted, with one drooping shoulder, feet pointed inwards etc.

Flesh Golems - These are even more hideous versions of the the Zombie Gravewalkers. They are large lumbering constructs, formed from various parts of different creatures, Think Frankennsteins monster but with one arm larger than the other, some human parts, some lizardkin parts, some orc etc,

Zombie Hulks - These guys will be huge! They will be huge ogre like creatures resurrected and modified for war. They will be bloated and stitched with guts exposed in places. We have designed them with huge spiked chains.

Lizardkin

The Deathscales will be huge too. They will be like lizardkin but much more heavily built with huge upper arms and chest. Concept art will be available soon for these guys too.

So their going to be less on the side of normal zombies and more Frankenstein's evil army. Sounds cool to me.

Like others I'm very much looking forward to seeing more lizardkin concepts and I personally third a more civilized beastmen showing up (not necessarily the whole army), seriously
the whole Pegan-estque, howling at the moon, evil for the sake of it type of beastmen has become so over played, would be nice to see something different.

So, I know I said I'm not that into fantasy, but Tambulaine had mentioned that you guys have Gnolls planned? Goblins and lizards are of no real interest to me, but if you do have hard plastic Gnolls planned for some eventual release, I think I may have to back this.

EDIT- I see you are planning somewhat armored zombies. Okay, I give up. I'll be backing this for sure now. I like the sounds of those undead. Will I be able to have zombies decked out in battered, rusted out plate armor?

Some of the zombies will be armoured, most definitely!!! The Gnolls will be part of the upcoming release schedule and are definitely at the top of my list!! I have always fancied a beast army full of gnolls and hyena's...sounds great!! Its likely the next three boxed sets after the initial three will be Gnolls, Orcs and Drow but we are also toying with making a Minotaur boxed set too. All of these are defeinitely in the pipline. But lets get the first Kickstarter funded first!

Kaine Larson wrote:
The Deathscales will be huge too. They will be like lizardkin but much more heavily built with huge upper arms and chest. Concept art will be available soon for these guys too.

That doesn't sound very good - like the "Mantic Leg Syndrome" that Scarletsquig was talking about. I would suggest a barrel-shaped torso rather than the inverted triangle associated with the human male ideal, and legs powerful enough to avoid falling over.

Wait till you see the concept art. The few sketches we have done so far look awesome. I don't think you will be disappointed. It's hard to describe without showing you the pictures.

Yeah, no Frech style knock kneed poses, please!

 scarletsquig wrote:


Heroic scaling is when laws of physics get discarded in favour of artistic styling. Your run-of-the-mill miniature cheesecake chick with a gigantic 6 foot long weapon casually held in one tiny-wristed hand is a good example:

Spoiler:

Doesn't make it a bad mini, just one that favours a more bombastic sculpting style.

Somebody doesn't know that most supermodels are inhumanly strong and could wield a 6 foot sword like it were a butter knife. Hence the "super."

The only things to have ludicrously large weapons will be ludicrously large monsters! Our first full colour piece of art will be available soon for the rulebook and website. Looks great so far. More play testing this weekend and we should be able to sign off on the rules PDF. We expect to have this available for free at least a couple of weeks before the KS starts!!! .... And I almost forgot. Zombie Abominations artwork is coming too!

Can't wait to see it

I can't wait to see the final piece too. Should have it within a day or two. It is a depiction of the Goblins in all their subterranean glory!!


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We will also have some of the prints available as A2 special edition prints when the KS begins if anyone wants one as an addon!! - obviously you will have to wait to see it first before you make that decision!!

Ok....so it took a bit longer than I thought to get the artwork back. I would love to hear what you think of it. Please have a look at the facebook page too...

Artwork is amazing.

Hope some spiders end up on a sprue at some point as well.

You've got my interest piqued, that's for sure.

Any time you want to tease us with new artwork, we're more than happy to oblige you around these parts!

That is one of my favourite Torchlight artworks! I mean... it is defenitely not Torchlight.