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 insaniak wrote:


A forum is a collection of people all sharing their opinions.

You forgot to mention our friendly neighbor hood MODs that step in when someone overly beclowns themselves. A service that is under rated.

So, any chance that the rules will be somewhat simplified? Like, percentagewise.

I didn't even buy 6th so this feels like an opportunity to me. Maybe.

I heard a rumour next edition codex's and rulebook will be digital only? I Really hope this isn't the case. I like digital for novels and the like (but prefer a physical book) but for the past 14 years i've been a fan of the big rulebook and like the physical codex.

Ohanka wrote:

I heard a rumour next edition codex's and rulebook will be digital only? I Really hope this isn't the case. I like digital for novels and the like (but prefer a physical book) but for the past 14 years i've been a fan of the big rulebook and like the physical codex.

Given how well the limited edition hardcovers have been doing, I wouldn't expect this to be true.

Wasn't even two years....so are we going to see new editions every year now?

Warhammer 40K: Call Of Duty Edition

 WarOne wrote:
Wasn't even two years....so are we going to see new editions every year now?

It is the only thing that every player must have in order to play the game! So if you have 500,000 players and want to make some money......

 Sephyr wrote:
I also don't quite get the whole fleeing from combat thing. It seems to make most CC even weaker than before: get charged, run away (especially from orks and low-initiative armies), shoot them silly on your turn.

You can choose to flee. If you do so, it is just as if you have lost combat, and failed your moral test. If you lose an initiative roll-off, then the unit is destroyed, if you win the initiative roll-off then you are running away, and need to pass a leadership test to regroup, and can only shoot snap shots. So, if Termagants (I4) flee from orks(I2), and the Orks roll 2 higher, then the unit is destroyed without getting to attack back. If not, they are snap shooting. It is probably a bad example, because Termagants in synapse are fearless and can't flee even if they wanted to.

 Sephyr wrote:
The FOC percentage limit is also weird. No using Abaddon, Draigo and pretty much all Greater Daemons at 2000 and lower?

So, I don't play Demons, but my battlescribe tells me Abbadon costs 265, so in order for you to run him, you would have to be playing a 1250 game (max 312): . A 1000 point game only gives you 250 points to spend in HQ. The same is true for Draigo who costs 275. You can play him at 1250, but not 1000. Now, I play against Draigo sometimes, and I would be pissed if someone brought him to a sub-1000 point game, so I think the percentages help to eliminate me being pissed at the player who wants to ambush me with Draigo in a 750 point game.

Here is a little chart for you
Total pts HQ Cap 250 62.5 500 125 750 187.5 1000 250 1250 312.5 1500 375 1850 462.5 2000 500 2500 625 3000 750 5000 1250

Didn't we use a % system in 4th edition? Maybe it was just my group. It's hard for me to remember.

If I recall, it was both a percentage system and a force org chart. But that was a while and many beers ago.

 Idolator wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
Wasn't even two years....so are we going to see new editions every year now?

It is the only thing that every player must have in order to play the game! So if you have 500,000 players and want to make some money......

Even more true if the hamstrung rulebook in the starter box is true. That would mean that all the people who say that they can just get a cheap copy of the little rules off from eBay for $20 would no longer have that out as the little rulebook would only have quick-play rules for the figures in the starter box.

It would force even more sales if they chose to invalidate all the releases (especially digital releases) from this past year. Those who remain would need to repurchase 7th Edition versions of the various dataslates and supplemental codices...

Granted, that could just be the cynic in me watching this unfold and having to shake my head the absurdity of it all.

 Idolator wrote:
Didn't we use a % system in 4th edition? Maybe it was just my group. It's hard for me to remember.

If I recall, it was both a percentage system and a force org chart. But that was a while and many beers ago.

Nope, since 3rd edition it's just been the FOC. 2nd ed was the last time 40K used percentages for army selection.

 insaniak wrote:

Ohanka wrote:

I heard a rumour next edition codex's and rulebook will be digital only? I Really hope this isn't the case. I like digital for novels and the like (but prefer a physical book) but for the past 14 years i've been a fan of the big rulebook and like the physical codex.

Given how well the limited edition hardcovers have been doing, I wouldn't expect this to be true.

That is why they will make all the printed copies limited edition (at a quantity not yet defined...say 100,000 or so) and they will sell them at 3 times the previous price. Granted you can buy the eBook version for the low, low price of $100 - a savings of almost $200 off the printed price.

It is a messed up way to run a hobby business - but it is GW's way to run a hobby business.

Don't care what y'all are talking about. I will happily throw down $70 for a new "fixed" edition. Game is fun now, kill death stars and its gonna be golden.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Chaos Space Marine Codex.

Which one?

The last two since the broken OP one that had legion rules. They've fooled players twice into buying them.

 oddworx wrote:
Don't care what y'all are talking about. I will happily throw down $70 for a new "fixed" edition. Game is fun now, kill death stars and its gonna be golden.

What makes you think that they would kill those?

If anything - from a business perspective - it would suit GW better to sell more deathstars at a higher cost in dollars per model.

I honestly see things like the Knight codex as a trial balloon for things to come from GW. 1 army with 3 models that costs almost as much as an IG or Ork horde army. The bean counters at GW HQ would rather sell the knights than the IG or Orks. Based on what I have heard - they sold enough of those to probably think it is a good idea moving forward, so as opposed to fixing problems with OP units...I would guess the marching orders will probably be more OP units for everyone.

Btw, I honestly doubt that GW will manage to come up with a proper, balanced, fair, fun, simple yet complex (not complicated!) ruleset
without
AN OPEN BETA and LOTS OF OUTSIDE PLAYTESTING.

Privateer Press did this some years ago before they released their MK2 of Warmachine. It did the system SOOOOO good to have thousends of people having their eyes on an early draft. Sure, some things slipped through and are not 100% balanced. But imagine what could've happened without any form of open discussion.

GW needs open and long time playtesting.

 morgendonner wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
Take it from me, as a CSM player. You really don't want to be the first codex after an edition when their good intentions haven't been completely dissolved yet. Judging by this edition you want to be 4th/5th in line to catch the writers when they're peaking.

Meh, not really true. The 4th ed Ork and Daemon books both were solid throughout 5th ed. Likewise 5th ed Necrons were great throughout 6th. There's really nothing about writers peaking in stride, CSM just kinda got the short end of the stick.

Bolded the part you appear to have overlooked.

Also I don't think you got my definition of 'peaking'.

So i emailed my local FLGS, asking to the availability of a 6th ed rulebook, wondering what the story was and the resonse i got was.

"We aren’t restocking them. I have heard rumours on the forums that a new book is only a month or so off, if it was me, I would hold off an wait."

now i dont know business' that run off rumours, nor than all of a sudden have an out of stock on a product in time with everywhere else.
(edit: as above doesnt mean stockbrokers etc which run exclusively off it, i mean flgs type business, and if they bought stock can they NOT return them for a credit. i dont know GW's return policy)

so call me a nutter but if i went between the lines there... thatll be a new book is for sure on the way.
which i dont mind as long as some rules are tidied up.

as to that question about who pays 120 bucks for a rulebook... well thats all us aussies, ...

 oddworx wrote:
Don't care what y'all are talking about. I will happily throw down $70 for a new "fixed" edition. Game is fun now, kill death stars and its gonna be golden.

Problem is - you don't know if that's all they'll fix, or if they'll fix that at all. And if they do, how far they swing the pendulum - killing deathstars sounds great until something they would have countered becomes known.

Edition changes are never all roses.

Bwahahaha, what a clusterfeth GW is producing. This book is going to be worth less then a Zimbabwean dollar.

I suspect we'll get yearly "new" editions as GW gets more desperate

The amusing thing about all of this is that there won't be any official notification about this rumour not being true if that's the case, or visa-versa. People in Nottingham knew that the internet was going mental about pancake edition, knew that it was fake, and yet were happy to sit there watching (and I had that on good authority). How hard would it have been to send out comms/a memo, and stop people rolling around and fighting in the mud about it? They really don't give a flying feth about the veteran/hardcore fanbase.

 -Loki- wrote:

 oddworx wrote:
Don't care what y'all are talking about. I will happily throw down $70 for a new "fixed" edition. Game is fun now, kill death stars and its gonna be golden.

Problem is - you don't know if that's all they'll fix, or if they'll fix that at all. And if they do, how far they swing the pendulum - killing deathstars sounds great until something they would have countered becomes known.

Edition changes are never all roses.

Haha no right, it will be a minor update which fixes some things and breaks others, but most importantly necessitates every player of the game buying a boxset or rulebook from them. Rince, cycle, repeat.

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!

I await the reviews.. Then i will make my opinion.

But i would like to drop this hobby, save money and frustration over the bs. This could be a good opportunity for me, but i'll probably be still here >.<

 eskimo wrote:
I await the reviews.. Then i will make my opinion.

But i would like to drop this hobby, save money and frustration over the bs. This could be a good opportunity for me, but i'll probably be still here >.<

There are other games in the hobby without all the BS surrounding it, of course... GW isn't the whole hobby. But wait to see what 7th brings perhaps.

 eskimo wrote:
I await the reviews.. Then i will make my opinion.

But i would like to drop this hobby, save money and frustration over the bs. This could be a good opportunity for me, but i'll probably be still here >.<

You don't have to drop the hobby, if GW annoy you there are plenty of others out there.

Infinity just this weekend announced a new version for instance, no need for rumours or speculation, they wait until one of the biggest tournaments they have, and tell everyone that later this year a new version will be released. Now, the rules are free for that game so buying the book is optional anyway, but this gives consumers an informed choice when purchasing stuff, Corvus Belli may even take a sales hit between now and the release if people hold off buying stuff, but one assumes they think that good will is more important. A bit less revenue for a short period but much less likely to have a bunch of annoyed players.

It isn't all like GW, the hobby has some well ran businesses in it too.

 -Loki- wrote:

 oddworx wrote:
Don't care what y'all are talking about. I will happily throw down $70 for a new "fixed" edition. Game is fun now, kill death stars and its gonna be golden.

Problem is - you don't know if that's all they'll fix, or if they'll fix that at all. And if they do, how far they swing the pendulum - killing deathstars sounds great until something they would have countered becomes known.

Edition changes are never all roses.

While it is true we do not know if they are fixing the things the community has been bitching about, it seems evident to me that GW has not put out FAQ's for a while because they were gearing up for this new release/fix which was needed. They made a push to expand the playable universe in short order. The amount of content pushed out was (to me) awesome, the rules left a bit to be desired. Anyone who knows me wouldn't call me an optimist, but I think this is a genuine effort to fix what is mostly a good system that has a couple of nasty flaws. And of course like everything GW does also happens to be a cash grab. Thems the breaks when you play a game put out by large corporate company.

It would be a really bold move to go digital only with the rulebook, or even codices.... There could be a future upside to it though, I think I would generally prefer to pay a license per year for rules and lets say 2 codices of my choice.... With varying license's for additional codices and/or dataslates, supplements etc etc.

Releases would come out faster, no need for Faq's as they can just sort out the problem on the format to then be updated by the player, whole new editions wouldn't be required as they can tinker as they go along... Well, new editions may be required but they would be on a much longer cycle.

It will most likely happen in the future, probably not now as it relies heavily on their customers investing in the tech, but in the future if/when tablets do indeed become even cheaper and more essential.

So, we have 10 pages of doomsaying, speculation, premature ragequits and panic based on the fact that the core book is currently unavailable..? Good thing thing that 40k radio actually said that a new edition will be coming shortly, otherwise this would seem a bit silly.

Here's my only gripe if the rule book goes digital only...

I like books. Actual books. Paper and hardback books.

I own an iPad, but I don't want to read a book on another screen. I write scripts for films all day on a computer, why the hell would I want to look at another screen?

As for 6th, I never played in a competitive environment, so I never saw the Deathstars... I can't comment on them.

I do hate the fact that CC got hammered and I hope 7th changes this.

I also welcome the percentage limits.


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Also... They need to change the way Allies work. It's too abusable in its current form.

 Kosake wrote:
So, we have 10 pages of doomsaying, speculation, premature ragequits and panic based on the fact that the core book is currently unavailable..? Good thing thing that 40k radio actually said that a new edition will be coming shortly, otherwise this would seem a bit silly.

I'm hearing elsewhere that there was a UK GW managers meeting yesterday, during which they were told to remove 6E rulebook from shelves in preparation for a new one at the end of May. Unsurprisingly, this isn't a popular move even among store managers, as they know how much of a customer backlash will be heading their way.
They've also been told to continue selling Dark Vengeance, but once the new BRB drops they have to put a sticker on the box that says the rules inside aren't current.