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Shingen wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
673 PAGES?!!

Feth me, aren't they aware that most gamers aren't fit enough to carry their own snacks?!



For clarity, that's 50% thicker than the current BRB.

Rules bloat, rules bloat everywhere....

How much of this is going to be completely unnecessary for playing a game?

Thats not rules bloat dude, that 672 pages of pictures and a index of pictures page.

Not to mention a list of where all your local GW stores are, wherever you are in the world!

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Shingen wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
673 PAGES?!!

Feth me, aren't they aware that most gamers aren't fit enough to carry their own snacks?!



For clarity, that's 50% thicker than the current BRB.

Rules bloat, rules bloat everywhere....

How much of this is going to be completely unnecessary for playing a game?

Thats not rules bloat dude, that 672 pages of pictures and a index of pictures page.

Not to mention a list of where all your local GW stores are, wherever you are in the world!

Only if they have some left.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So more like 92,289,600 GBP. Still too much for your average consumer.

Yeah, but it's cute that you thought GW was a company worth nearly 19 billion pounds.

 loki old fart wrote:

Only if they have some left.

There'll always be Fulchester

Uhhh... I've been away for half an evening and you are 15 page on and somehow there's a number on the pages around. Did we get any serious news?

Yes. In the past 3-4 pages we got news.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm looking forward to reading whatever 'editorial' GW puts out telling us the 'why's' and 'wherefores' on this 'new edition'.

It is often amusing to read what they choose to run down, and what they choose to play up...

"We believe this new edition will help players forge even greater narratives!"

It will be interesting to see. How does one talk up a new edition whilst never admitting problems with the last?

You know what was a great marketing scheme?

Domino's Pizza

GW should try admitting the truth and go from there.

I would be more interested to see how they are going to rectify this with those who have purchased the rulebook online.

Sounds like they could do the update and send it out as such, but I seriously doubt this occurs.

GW will get a strongly worded email if digital editions don't get a free update (which will have the similar effect of a grot against a titan i think).

For those of you who purchased the digital edition of the rules when it first came out, did it auto-update to version 2 when THAT was released? Because that would suggest a pretty big indicator of gw updating for free as opposed to asking for more cash...

 snowman40k wrote:

I would be more interested to see how they are going to rectify this with those who have purchased the rulebook online.

Sounds like they could do the update and send it out as such, but I seriously doubt this occurs.

GW will get a strongly worded email if digital editions don't get a free update (which will have the similar effect of a grot against a titan i think).

For those of you who purchased the digital edition of the rules when it first came out, did it auto-update to version 2 when THAT was released? Because that would suggest a pretty big indicator of gw updating for free as opposed to asking for more cash...

Don't email, send physical letters. An email is easy to ignore. A mountain of envelopes on your desk, less so.

Just noticed that you're in Australia, though. So might not be economically viable.

 azreal13 wrote:
673 PAGES?!!

Feth me, aren't they aware that most gamers aren't fit enough to carry their own snacks?!



For clarity, that's 50% thicker than the current BRB.

The current BRB(read: the big hardback version at least) is 452 pages.

The numbers given though don't really add up. If it's "The rulebook plus Stronghold Assault and Escalation", depending on how big the FAQs are...it comes out to a flat 596 pages for simply the main rulebook(452 pages), Stronghold Assault(48 pages), and Escalation(96 pages).

That leaves 77 pages unaccounted for, if Krazynadechucker is right.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
*shrugs* "Trolls" rarely have positive associations online.

People that actually acknowledge being trolls, and are open about it, are usually much more humorous and malicious.

The point was that if a troll avatar "speaks for itself" it's not going to get a lot of positive associations, that's all.

NamelessBard wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm looking forward to reading whatever 'editorial' GW puts out telling us the 'why's' and 'wherefores' on this 'new edition'.

It is often amusing to read what they choose to run down, and what they choose to play up...

"We believe this new edition will help players forge even greater narratives!"

It will be interesting to see. How does one talk up a new edition whilst never admitting problems with the last?

You know what was a great marketing scheme?

Domino's Pizza

GW should try admitting the truth and go from there.

That was a cool thing to watch. Thanks.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So more like 92,289,600 GBP. Still too much for your average consumer.

Yeah, but it's cute that you thought GW was a company worth nearly 19 billion pounds.

You're a few pages too late to hop on that train.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
673 PAGES?!!

Feth me, aren't they aware that most gamers aren't fit enough to carry their own snacks?!



For clarity, that's 50% thicker than the current BRB.

The current BRB(read: the big hardback version at least) is 452 pages.

The numbers given though don't really add up. If it's "The rulebook plus Stronghold Assault and Escalation", depending on how big the FAQs are...it comes out to a flat 596 pages for simply the main rulebook(452 pages), Stronghold Assault(48 pages), and Escalation(96 pages).

That leaves 77 pages unaccounted for, if Krazynadechucker is right.

If he's right I'm guessing the "hobby" section gets expanded and they basically through in a "how to build and paint models for dummies" thing in there with the basics.

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but I just had a look at the Black Library website to see when the main rulebook had last been updated and it's no longer available to purchase there either. Which means I didn't find out when it was updated, because they put that on the product page for some reason instead of in the downloads section.

But if they put a "how to paint an army" section into the rulebook then they can't sell you and overpriced iPad "how to paint an army" thing later on!

iBook rulebook is missing from the site in the UK and US:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-40-000?N=102352+4294967144&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=phl&view=table


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But if they put a "how to paint an army" section into the rulebook then they can't sell you and overpriced iPad "how to paint an army" thing later on!

I meant more of a generic "how to paint models" thing than a "how to paint X army".


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Or for the more cynical approach: since buying stuff is "the hobby", it'll be 77 pages of different things you can buy, ways you can buy them and a user agreement that says you consent to buy GW models upon their release, every release by purchasing, reading, touching or otherwise being in the same hemisphere as the book.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
673 PAGES?!!

Feth me, aren't they aware that most gamers aren't fit enough to carry their own snacks?!



For clarity, that's 50% thicker than the current BRB.

The current BRB(read: the big hardback version at least) is 452 pages.

The numbers given though don't really add up. If it's "The rulebook plus Stronghold Assault and Escalation", depending on how big the FAQs are...it comes out to a flat 596 pages for simply the main rulebook(452 pages), Stronghold Assault(48 pages), and Escalation(96 pages).

That leaves 77 pages unaccounted for, if Krazynadechucker is right.

You sure?

GW Website wrote:With 440 full-colour pages, this hardback Rulebook is packed with rich background and contains all the rules for fighting pulse-pounding tabletop battles.

Either way, it's an awfully big leap to take the word of an apparently self-confessed troll, whose track record for his "Memphis contact" is currently running at a stunning 0% accuracy

Frankly though, this is physically infeasible as much as anything, unless they really have convinced themselves that the people they're making the game for never leave their home and travel anywhere to play a game.

Image only posts are considered spam, thank you, MT11

 azreal13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
673 PAGES?!!

Feth me, aren't they aware that most gamers aren't fit enough to carry their own snacks?!



For clarity, that's 50% thicker than the current BRB.

The current BRB(read: the big hardback version at least) is 452 pages.

The numbers given though don't really add up. If it's "The rulebook plus Stronghold Assault and Escalation", depending on how big the FAQs are...it comes out to a flat 596 pages for simply the main rulebook(452 pages), Stronghold Assault(48 pages), and Escalation(96 pages).

That leaves 77 pages unaccounted for, if Krazynadechucker is right.

You sure?

GW Website wrote:With 440 full-colour pages, this hardback Rulebook is packed with rich background and contains all the rules for fighting pulse-pounding tabletop battles.

Heh...

GW Website for the US wrote:With 452 full-colour pages, this hardback Rulebook is packed with rich background and contains all the rules for fighting pulse-pounding tabletop battles.

Although I did just crack open my full sized rulebook and it's 432 pages...

Gonna be so many rehashed pictures to fill up that rulebook.

 Kanluwen wrote:

GW Website for the US wrote:With 452 full-colour pages, this hardback Rulebook is packed with rich background and contains all the rules for fighting pulse-pounding tabletop battles.

Although I did just crack open my full sized rulebook and it's 432 pages...

There's 19 pages at the front which aren't included in page numbers used for the section entitled "The Rules" onwards.

So let me get this straight currently it is rumored it is a minor update with a few tweeks in it and re-wording. They are also going to release a FREE pdf addressing all of the changes for people who already own it. As a result it will probably be auto updated in the e-books. They are consolidating the rules but not the units thus not invalidating the stronghold and escalation purchase but giving people the rules they need to play against it.

So you are not forced to buy anything and getting a update that should help people.

I am failing to see what there is to complain about here?

I have my doubts as to the free update to e-books. If they were going to update them then there would be no reason to remove the main rulebook from sale.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
I have my doubts as to the free update to e-books. If they were going to update them then there would be no reason to remove the main rulebook from sale.

Unless the new cover rumor is true. But yes, it feels pretty suspicious to me.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
I have my doubts as to the free update to e-books. If they were going to update them then there would be no reason to remove the main rulebook from sale.

Unless the new cover rumor is true. But yes, it feels pretty suspicious to me.

Who cares about a cover on an e-book? Couldn't that also just be part of the update anyway?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
I have my doubts as to the free update to e-books. If they were going to update them then there would be no reason to remove the main rulebook from sale.

Unless the new cover rumor is true. But yes, it feels pretty suspicious to me.

Who cares about a cover on an e-book? Couldn't that also just be part of the update anyway?

This is GW we're talking about. When do they do anything in a way that makes sense?


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Seriously, I don't know why GW does half of what it does and I don't expect what they do to make sense when logic is involved.

Removing the book doesn't prevent a free update, but it does make it a lot less likely.

I have my doubts as to the free update to e-books. If they were going to update them then there would be no reason to remove the main rulebook from sale.

Indeed. I had hopes of free-updates until I saw this and double-checked it myself. Unless they have absolute numpties in IT there shouldn't be a need to draw the ibook from sale just for an update. Could be wrong, and I hope I am. Even if they left escalation and stronghold material out, and just updated the rulebook then i'd be happy with that.

Also the new rulebook is going to have revised rules for
Interceptor, sky fire, fortifications, lords of war, allies and data slates.

Suuuure!

The revised rules is that everyone is battle brothers with everyone else. So now there's nothing to get in the way of you forging that narrative