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Samurai_Eduh wrote: Iwas doubtful about percentages and 40k Radio coming out against it makes it even more unlikely.
I was in doubt because if you look in the Tempestus book, formations now have thier own FOC symbol (for exampleL HQ is a skull, Troops are an arrow, etc). This says to me that formations will now be a slot on the FOC like fortifications or LOW in Horus Heresy.
I wished 40k Lords of war worked like horus heresy ones.
WayneTheGame wrote: So wait all they're doing is consolidating around 3 books into one? No FAQs, no tweaks a la 3.5? Just "here's the same gak as before in a bigger book with a higher price tag that you likely don't need to buy if you already have the other books"?
I'm guessing that's GW's idea on this release.
No. That's Krazynadechukr's idea for this release. Someone with a 0% accuracy in the past.
Well, I guess that accuracy rating could be going up.
40k Radio wrote:Ok, it seems a nasty rumor is making its way around the interwebs. Many forums are saying 40k 7th is switching over to % based lists. We are here to 100% confirm that is not happening.
We have always told you guys the truth about everything in the past 12 months. Our source has been spot on with everything from release schedules to what each army will have.
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Not you have not, I'm still waiting for that commissar squad
Even with their three misses and three partially trues, they have about 53/59, which is ridiculously good as rumor mongers go.
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As far as GW is concerned it is. Escalation, allies, everything is geared towards putting every model you own on the table..
If that were the sole aim of allowing Allies, there would be no Allies Matrix, or levels of alliance.
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Messy0 wrote: Dont people realise that % will not only lead to GW's best models selling less. i.e 2 basic riptides with an IA is more than 20% of an 1850 list and even more at 1750. Why would they put that cap on the sales of some of their most popular and expensive minitures?
Secondly if people cant spam elites and heavy etc they will just spam troops. If troops are 40%+ imagain the amout of nightscyths with 5 man necron warrior units you will be able to field while anti air units such as riptides with EWO, VT and HBC, quad guns, punisher squadrons etc will be limited to 1 or 2 per amy. %'s are stupid..
A percentage system doesn't necessarily mean selling fewer of the good models. We had a percentage system in 2nd ed. What generally happened was that people took the bare minimum percentage of basic units, and maxed out on the good stuff.
So pretty much exactly what happens with the FoC...
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So I was in my local store today and the managers usually pretty straight with me and rumours.
He said there is a reason his store is open late.on the 17th May for pre orders. Then late the following saturday for delivery, nothing to do with 7th ed.
Also he showed me the next 'free' model from GW online if you got the ltd ed captain, very nice!
The Primary Army Formations section, though could be legit without contradicting anything in the logs. I hope it isn't the case, because blowing up Deamon Flying Circus while still allowing Tyranids to run 7-9 FMCs via skyblight at 1850 seems wrong.
I don't think that would be possible. I don't have my codex with me right now, but 230 of flyrant + 180 gargs + the 3 FMC should go over the allowed 925 in formations. Even if it doesn't if you put that and your 800 points of troops, that means no more points for other flyrants or any FMC. So at best they can fit 4 flyers.
You are right. 5 Flyers at 1850.
Wulfmar wrote: %s doesn't totally remove these daft OP power gamer builds.
2200 points allows for 3 Tau riptides with upgrades
1500 points allows for 2 Tau riptides with upgrades
Check your math. Base Riptide is 180 points.
20% of 1500 is 300 points. 300 < 2 x 180. 2 un-upgraded riptides fit in 1850.
20% of 2200 is 440 points. 440 < 3 x 180. 3 un-upgraded riptides fit in 2700
tag is right.
185 is 10% of 1850
Max 2 riptides with IA at 1850 max. No other upgrades. While at the same time people will be able to spam asmany Jetbikes, Noise marines, Nightscyths, Crisis suits (enclave), wave serpents! and other OP troop choices as they want.
Given the huge imbalance between troop choices in differnt armies this will just create a different flavor of spam one i think noone will like the taste of.
Mmm, it's not the math - I accidentally used 25% for the Riptide as I thought it was a Heavy Support rather than 20% for a Fast Attack choice - this is going to make checking the legitimacy of the other players list murder -.-
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Mmm, it's not the math - I accidentally used 25% for the Riptide as I thought it was a Heavy Support rather than 20% for a Fast Attack choice - this is going to make checking the legitimacy of the other players list murder -.-
No it's not. Percents already got debunked by 40k Radio.
Mmm, it's not the math - I accidentally used 25% for the Riptide as I thought it was a Heavy Support rather than 20% for a Fast Attack choice - this is going to make checking the legitimacy of the other players list murder -.-
No it's not. Percents already got debunked by 40k Radio.
Good news
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I love how if 40K Radio says no % then everyone jumps on that bandwagon. I get that they have a decent track record but the source that Natfka is claiming told him about % and sideboards is the one who told him about Codex Supplements and mini-dexes and was spot on about that long before anyone else was talking about it. I'm willing to give his rumors some credence since it's not just someone who's never dropped a rumor to Natfka before. I remain cautiously hopeful for a % based system for 40K.
Blah, I like the idea of percentages. Oh well, GW can keep not getting my money. Then again, it sounds like the vocal majority on here doesn't want percentages, so just based on Dakka they're making the right call. Just wish there was a way to make everyone happy.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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Well, maybe this will be a better edition, since 1990 I've only enjoyed playing odd numbered editions of 40k! Still, I probably won't be getting sucked in this time. Fortunately, the 31st of May is when the 2nd edition of dystopian wars from Spartan Games is being released too. They have been using their fanbase to extensively playtest the new rules before release. That's where my hobby dollars will be going
Pox Apostle wrote: I love how if 40K Radio says no % then everyone jumps on that bandwagon. I get that they have a decent track record but the source that Natfka is claiming told him about % and sideboards is the one who told him about Codex Supplements and mini-dexes and was spot on about that long before anyone else was talking about it. I'm willing to give his rumors some credence since it's not just someone who's never dropped a rumor to Natfka before. I remain cautiously hopeful for a % based system for 40K.
The problem is that 40kradio as a source and aggregator is reliable.
Natfka is unreliable. He can say it is from God himself and it doesn't matter because it is still an anonymous source and that basically means that, for us at least, it might as well be Natfka himself.
Automatically Appended Next Post: For example, Natfka has like 20 separate rumors on various supplements and mini-dexes in the last 6-12 months. Most of them have been complete garbage. Which one is this source?
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Pox Apostle wrote: I love how if 40K Radio says no % then everyone jumps on that bandwagon. I get that they have a decent track record but the source that Natfka is claiming told him about % and sideboards is the one who told him about Codex Supplements and mini-dexes and was spot on about that long before anyone else was talking about it. I'm willing to give his rumors some credence since it's not just someone who's never dropped a rumor to Natfka before. I remain cautiously hopeful for a % based system for 40K.
The problem is that 40kradio as a source and aggregator is reliable.
Natfka is unreliable. He can say it is from God himself and it doesn't matter because it is still an anonymous source and that basically means that, for us at least, it might as well be Natfka himself.
True, and I understand this. I guess I am just willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he says this particular rumor is from the same guy who gave us a reliable rumor in the past, even if that source is anonymous. Mainly because, if Natfka does have an inside source that person would have to remain anonymous for obvious reasons. I know it's a Catch-22 but what the hell, I'll give his rumor credence for now, just like I will 40K Radio and personally I'll not write off either side entirely until we get some more corroborating evidence in either direction.
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Pox Apostle wrote: True, and I understand this. I guess I am just willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he says this particular rumor is from the same guy who gave us a reliable rumor in the past, even if that source is anonymous. Mainly because, if Natfka does have an inside source that person would have to remain anonymous for obvious reasons.
Of course, but the problem is that we can't tell between Anonymous Source A (the reliable one) and Anonymous Source B (the crappy one) since he treats them all the same.
Also, which supplement rumor is the one he is saying was the accurate one? He hasn't had a good track record for anything supplement related.
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Pox Apostle wrote: I love how if 40K Radio says no % then everyone jumps on that bandwagon. I get that they have a decent track record but the source that Natfka is claiming told him about % and sideboards is the one who told him about Codex Supplements and mini-dexes and was spot on about that long before anyone else was talking about it. I'm willing to give his rumors some credence since it's not just someone who's never dropped a rumor to Natfka before. I remain cautiously hopeful for a % based system for 40K.
40k Radio is running just shy of 90%. That's only second to Harry and Hastings who don't do rumors anymore. If they say it, then it's usually right. So it's less "jumping" on a bandwagon and more taking the safest bet.
Also I remain highly skeptical of a percent system coming to 40k.
For example, Natfka has like 20 separate rumors on various supplements and mini-dexes in the last 6-12 months. Most of them have been complete garbage. Which one is this source?
That one I'll give you for sure. Though the non-skeptic in me will say that GW could be holding onto some supplements for later release and we just haven't gotten to those yet. While I understand your point, there were rumors for plastic Guard vets being done for years and only now have got that box and a supplement to go along with it. So it's possible that there are supplements and mini-dexes ready to go but being held off for reasons only GW know. Same with the rumors that 9th edition Fantasy is finished but was shelved in favor of 40K 7th. Sadly no one can really prove if that's true or not. If WHFB 9th comes out one year from now people who said Fantasy is done and ready for release now would have their rumors treated as unreliable even if their rumor monger had given them correct information and it was just GW who held off the release for reasons not given out to the public.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I will add that I too wish Natfka would just give his rumor mongers nicknames like he said we would do a while ago, that way we could track which ones give the good info and which the bad.
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Went to my local gw today. Manager was telling me about all the old and "obsolete" stock I missed getting because he had to send it back to hq.
I looked over at the 40k rack, and asked "oh, I see the four 40k rulebooks, two Escalation books, and two Strongholds are gone too. Were those sent back too?" He was like, "Uh, no, no, those were all sold this weekend."
I said I needed to buy a copy of the rulebook, and he immediately was like "...I have restock coming in for the rulebook the end of May." I offered to order it on his computer so he'd get credit,, and he was again telling me don't bother, I will set one aside for you...
Went on computer anyway, and I was like "It's not even letting me order it!" All he said was "Odd."
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Pox Apostle wrote: That one I'll give you for sure. Though the non-skeptic in me will say that GW could be holding onto some supplements for later release and we just haven't gotten to those yet. While I understand your point, there were rumors for plastic Guard vets being done for years and only now have got that box and a supplement to go along with it. So it's possible that there are supplements and mini-dexes ready to go but being held off for reasons only GW know. Same with the rumors that 9th edition Fantasy is finished but was shelved in favor of 40K 7th. Sadly no one can really prove if that's true or not. If WHFB 9th comes out one year from now people who said Fantasy is done and ready for release now would have their rumors treated as unreliable even if their rumor monger had given them correct information and it was just GW who held off the release for reasons not given out to the public.
And yet, some rumor mongers can consistently hit the mark even with all the moving around of schedules. Why is that?
If the mercurial nature of GW's schedules was really the cause for all these false rumors, wouldn't it hit everyone?
Also, I can't find any accurate rumors from Natfka about supplements other than the ones for Sigmar's Blood, Escalation / Stronghold. And those were accompanied by directly conflict info often the day after or before from Natfka, which completely invalidates it.
example, two Fortification Supplement rumors from Natfka:
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Supplement Rumors - Surprise December Release Schedule Rumors - Oct 2013 via an anonymous source on Faeit 212 There are going to be two new expansions for Warhammer 40k in December, both pointed directly at getting new options into your standard 40k games. New Fortifications and Super-Heavy options will become available to play without playing Apocalypse, focusing instead on regular games of 40k. TRUE
Stronghold Assault *40k expansion for regular games of 40kTRUE *Rules for 17 Fortifications like the Wall of Martyrs Imperial Defense Line and the Macro-Cannon Aquila Strongpoint TRUE *Some Contain Several Fortifications that can be Taken as a Group that take up one Fortification Slot TRUE *Upgrades for Fortifications and New Rules for Buildings TRUE
Escalation *40k expansion for regular games of 40kTRUE *Full Rules for 16 Lords of War in a 96page Hardback Release TRUE *Adds a new "Lord's of War" slot to every armies FocTRUE *Allows certain Super-Heavy units to be fielded in standard 40k games TRUE *Destroyer Weapons DUPLICATE *Some of the New Lords of War Tyranid Harridan TRUE Eldar Revenant Titan for Eldar and Dark Eldar TRUE Super Heavy Tanks for the Imperial Guard (several) TRUE Khorne Lord of Skulls TRUE Thunderhawk Gunship TRUE
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212 there's a supplement that's divided by race with new fortifications and also new racial upgrades to specific fortifications. FALSE
Currently it's being playtested as requiring a detachment of the race to upgrade the fortification, but that might change (everyone's been using imperial stuff for a long time now). FALSE
Just to be clear, the base of the fortification such as bastion, aegis, fortress, etc will all be the same, just the upgrades/guns that will be racially specific. FALSE
In so far as models, expect only imperial versions, and a modeling section on converting building racially inspired fortifications. FALSE
The book will have the rules for all the currently released fortifications plus a couple new ones (with models) and then as mentioned rules for racial upgrades. FALSE
Even if one of those was 'a good source' how the feth are we supposed to believe either if he gives us conflicting info?
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krazynadechukr wrote: Went to my local gw today. Manager was telling me about all the old and "obsolete" stock I missed getting because he had to send it back to hq.
I looked over at the 40k rack, and asked "oh, I see the four 40k rulebooks, two Escalation books, and two Strongholds are gone too. Were those sent back too?" He was like, "Uh, no, no, those were all sold this weekend."
I said I needed to buy a copy of the rulebook, and he immediately was like "...I have restock coming in for the rulebook the end of May." I offered to order it on his computer so he'd get credit,, and he was again telling me don't bother, I will set one aside for you...
Went on computer anyway, and I was like "It's not even letting me order it!" All he said was "Odd."
So...
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krazynadechukr wrote: Went to my local gw today. Manager was telling me about all the old and "obsolete" stock I missed getting because he had to send it back to hq.
I looked over at the 40k rack, and asked "oh, I see the four 40k rulebooks, two Escalation books, and two Strongholds are gone too. Were those sent back too?" He was like, "Uh, no, no, those were all sold this weekend."
I said I needed to buy a copy of the rulebook, and he immediately was like "...I have restock coming in for the rulebook the end of May." I offered to order it on his computer so he'd get credit,, and he was again telling me don't bother, I will set one aside for you...
Went on computer anyway, and I was like "It's not even letting me order it!" All he said was "Odd."
gorgon wrote: For instance, what would be a better way to follow the 6.5/7.0/whatever release than with the long-awaited proper cultist kit and a new chosen/CSM kit?
What would a "proper" Cultist kit look like? The options they were given in the Chaos Codex are exactly what the models have in the DV box. They weren't given access to other weapon types, and their leader can't have anything but what the two leader models have. Their rules were made to support the new models, not the other way around. If they're even in the next Chaos Codex it will be a miracle.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: What would a "proper" Cultist kit look like? The options they were given in the Chaos Codex are exactly what the models have in the DV box. They weren't given access to other weapon types, and their leader can't have anything but what the two leader models have. Their rules were made to support the new models, not the other way around. If they're even in the next Chaos Codex it will be a miracle.
Not having to buy a DV box for would be a good first step, or the 5-model box which doesn't allow you to add in weapons like a Heavy Stubber of Heavy Flamer would be another positive step. Offering a 10-man box that allowed you to make either auto gun or CCW/pistol cultists and a heavy weapon figure would be ideal. You know, a unit box that allowed you to make the unit.
H.B.M.C. wrote: What would a "proper" Cultist kit look like? The options they were given in the Chaos Codex are exactly what the models have in the DV box. They weren't given access to other weapon types, and their leader can't have anything but what the two leader models have. Their rules were made to support the new models, not the other way around. If they're even in the next Chaos Codex it will be a miracle.
Not having to buy a DV box for would be a good first step, or the 5-model box which doesn't allow you to add in weapons like a Heavy Stubber of Heavy Flamer would be another positive step. Offering a 10-man box that allowed you to make either auto gun or CCW/pistol cultists and a heavy weapon figure would be ideal. You know, a unit box that allowed you to make the unit.
Yeah that - a bonafide multipart kit. It was a pretty innocuous remark. Not sure where the attitude came from, or how it turned into a GW complaint.
Talking to my "source" (or whatever you want to call him) here's what I got:
-No known changes to psychic powers
-Assault changes where on the table at one point to try and make it more on par with shooting but it's unclear if they made it in or not right now
-Escalation and Stronghold Assault rules are in, but profiles are not (and they were added to try and balance the Riptide and Wraithknight, paticulalry for Imperial Armies who don't have a lot of tools to shut them down fast enough)
EDIT: -Just one book, not three.
-New Starter isn't Marines and Orks .
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Anyone get this week's White Dwarf yet? My usual source refused to let me get it a day early, so I have a feeling something may be in there about upcoming releases. Oh so tight lipped.
Twitter is alive with rumors new 40K rules of course, Orks, and Space Wolves... Was hoping BA's but I'm new to Twitter so I'm not sure who to rely on, I'll just make a note of who said what then see what happens, and who was closest to being right.
Guess I'll hold my breath and wait...
The first boxed set was a big deal in the 90's... Hero Hammer...
The 2nd was a big deal for me, I didn't believe the rumors that the miniatures were better... Ended up being my favorite.
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Kelly502 wrote: Anyone get this week's White Dwarf yet? My usual source refused to let me get it a day early, so I have a feeling something may be in there about upcoming releases. Oh so tight lipped.
Twitter is alive with rumors new 40K rules of course, Orks, and Space Wolves... Was hoping BA's but I'm new to Twitter so I'm not sure who to rely on, I'll just make a note of who said what then see what happens, and who was closest to being right.
Guess I'll hold my breath and wait...
The first boxed set was a big deal in the 90's... Hero Hammer...
The 2nd was a big deal for me, I didn't believe the rumors that the miniatures were better... Ended up being my favorite.
Space Wolves instead of Blood Angels now??. Wow. I'll be dead shocked if this was true.
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