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I have always said that 40k is a lifestyle, not just a game, and have had an open mind when it came to changes. 3rd edition was awesome, 4th edition was the worst thing ever (I played Dark Angels... thanks Jervis), 5th was better, and 6th has actually been challenging, more realistic, and fun! 6th edition created many changes (I know people don't like changes), but they all made the game more realistic.

My spending has slightly reduced over the years as GW has increased their prices and release rates ($50 a book - ouch). However GW is still healthy as a company and I had no worries for the future of 40k under 6th edition.

I have to say that I for one am a bit scared and off-put by 7th edition. Say hello to cheese armies everywhere (tau-dar armies full of riptides and farseers... entire armies of flying MCs, hellturkey armies, etc. The force organization chart made people have to think to create lists that could compete (both for fun and competitively) against many different armies. I know there will be bonuses for those who adhere to the chart, but those bonuses don't mean squat when you get curb stopped by an entire armored company. Well, that and I guess once again Codex Ultramarines has taken our all terminator army!

At least I found a new game - Wild West Exodus - that is a blast to play, cheaper to get into, the resin models are absolutely amazing (larger, much more detailed, and cheaper than finecrap), and I have no doubts about it's future success.

It will be interesting to see what happens to 40k now....

 ClockworkZion wrote:
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Actually that's a thought: what if Skyfire ignores Jink saves in the future instead? If Snapfire becomes less painful (as some have talked about possibly happening in the past, even if it might be wishlisting) then changing what Skyfire does isn't unreasonable.

Eh, just a random thought.

Just going off this, one thing I really dislike is the "rules roulette" between editions, where some of your army will become randomly better, some will become randomly worse (and some will become nonfunctional if Chapterhouse got there first), and none of that will be reflected in the point costs,

Unbound: won't change a damn thing where I am, the change to foc will not affect our meta at all as we all will likely use the same things we always do.

Psychic phase: this will allow my mate's to actually defend against my buffs in my army and that's a good thing, it will allow me to do the same, buff spells have been far too easy to pull off for too long and now they will (hopefully) be in the same realm as the other spells.

Haters gonna hate

 TheKbob wrote:
The best way to make friends with IG:

Bring 9 Wyverns. Actually play the barrage rules as corrected in the FAQ.

Enjoy a 30 minute, or longer, shooting phase.

Winning game design!

if someone takes 30 mins to settle 36 dice.. something is wrong with them, orks been doing it faster in CC than anyone else.

if you gonna play this shenanigans own more than 1 scatter dice.
roll 4 at a time (the dice i got from adepticon have 4 sides with arrows on them so thatll do)
re roll misses or those that look to be bad scatters, dont feth about.
should take all of 2 mins to determine hits, wounds even less.
so 15 tops for all 3 units.

edit: and wait... still faster than green tide cos you dont need to move 100 models a turn... time to not worry about the dice rolls there.
still faster than orks and 3 units in CC with mobs o boys. (or atleast the same)
we have been rolling big numbers of dice for how long now.. no excsuses to be slow about it.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 The_Grimm_One wrote:
What issue number of WD is this information in?

15. Comes out this weekend.

I just picked it up and nothing really jumped out, just another little poster in the middle, which actually looks cool. So I bought last weeks too just for the poster.


Big oooops! I think there is something about the new rules, I'll have to run to the car and grab it...

 Kelly502 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 The_Grimm_One wrote:
What issue number of WD is this information in?

15. Comes out this weekend.

I just picked it up and nothing really jumped out, just another little poster in the middle, which actually looks cool. So I bought last weeks too just for the poster.

For people not following rumors it actually has a good amount of info, for the rest of us it's less useful.

And I'm collecting the posters too. I think they're look good in a row on my wall.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
And I'm collecting the posters too. I think they're look good in a row on my wall.

The posters were a stroke of genius. Is it truly DA this week?

There was a Knight in todays WD, very sweet!
I like the Dwarf too it's been awesome thus far in the new format, just mentioned that there wasn't much as far as 40K rumors goes... only fourteen more days... to tell the truth I am as excited about this as a kid at Christmas.

to the haters.

I haven't seen the DA poster but on Dakka Dakka.

Almost got a box of DA Termies today... but I need to save for the end of the month for my pre-order mania.

 ruprecht wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
And I'm collecting the posters too. I think they're look good in a row on my wall.

The posters were a stroke of genius. Is it truly DA this week?

No, the Knight is this week. DA should be next week.

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
The best way to make friends with IG:

Bring 9 Wyverns. Actually play the barrage rules as corrected in the FAQ.

Enjoy a 30 minute, or longer, shooting phase.

Winning game design!

if someone takes 30 mins to settle 36 dice.. something is wrong with them, orks been doing it faster in CC than anyone else.

if you gonna play this shenanigans own more than 1 scatter dice.
roll 4 at a time (the dice i got from adepticon have 4 sides with arrows on them so thatll do)
re roll misses or those that look to be bad scatters, dont feth about.
should take all of 2 mins to determine hits, wounds even less.
so 15 tops for all 3 units.

edit: and wait... still faster than green tide cos you dont need to move 100 models a turn... time to not worry about the dice rolls there.
still faster than orks and 3 units in CC with mobs o boys. (or atleast the same)
we have been rolling big numbers of dice for how long now.. no excsuses to be slow about it.

I like you.

More on topic, I've already had friends say they'll never play the game again. How this new edition has taken the problems of 6th and exacerbated them. Or how they don't want to have to fiddle with a percentage system. We haven't even seen any actual rules yet, much less any in context! Have we had anything confirmed other than that there are new psychic powers, and there are two types of list-building- Battle Forged and Unbound? Where did the percentage thing come from?

Nothing even hinting at percentages so far. That has been a rumor for every edition since third and its not panned out yet.

Tell them to relax and wait since we might as well have no information at this point.

 Leth wrote:
Nothing even hinting at percentages so far. That has been a rumor for every edition since third and its not panned out yet.

Tell them to relax and wait since we might as well have no information at this point.

What I said as well, but nope- this is the end of 40k for them. Maybe when things are a bit clearer they'll cool down a bit.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Nothing even hinting at percentages so far. That has been a rumor for every edition since third and its not panned out yet.

Tell them to relax and wait since we might as well have no information at this point.

What I said as well, but nope- this is the end of 40k for them. Maybe when things are a bit clearer they'll cool down a bit.

Maybe they'll unload all their kits and figures to you for cheap or better yet, FREE!

 Kelly502 wrote:
There was a Knight in todays WD, very sweet!
I like the Dwarf too it's been awesome thus far in the new format, just mentioned that there wasn't much as far as 40K rumors goes... only fourteen more days... to tell the truth I am as excited about this as a kid at Christmas.

to the haters.

I haven't seen the DA poster but on Dakka Dakka.

Almost got a box of DA Termies today... but I need to save for the end of the month for my pre-order mania.

Someone have a pic of the Knight poster? I forgot to pick up the WD today.

I can't wait!
GW and 40k has their problems but for me, the game has always been about fun, sitting down with some friends, having snacks and just rolling dice whilst insulting each others choices and paint schemes. With those complaining that GW isn't going to address deathstars, why would they? Without a doubt, if they did something to kill them off then players would find more broken combinations to abuse!
When you take a game more seriously than you should, those behaviours will always come out and loop holes, rule abuse, 'cheese' ect will always be found, Always! And yeah, 7th may not fix everything and it most certainly won't bring balance to the game, why? Because it would involve so much more work than you could possibly imagine. Taking every unit in existence, testing them with every rule in the book, re-writing the rule if it isn't balanced and then starting all over again, testing each unit from the very beginning, we would never have a new edition.
I have had the privileged of being able to attend several 'cons to demo various games from Yugioh, Pokemon, Huntik, Magic and many others (I like TCG's, RPGs and board games, alot) and each and every one of them had the 'cheese' and 'deathstars' of their system and even with ban lists, restrictions, TO rules, someone would always find way to break the game, it is what a competitive environment does to us as humans. I have done it and in some way you would have done it too, it's unavoidable.

But my point (Although it took a while to get here) is calm down, ebjoy the game no matter what it brings and use it to your advantage! Get some friends, have some fun and insult each other; it's how the game is supposed to be played.

Note: This isn't aimed at anyone nperticular, or is it meant to insult anyone. This is my feelings on the matter, my opinions, just like yours

If nothing else 7th has been entertaining for the hand wringing and teeth gnashing of the masses.
A new edition and a new codex (Orks) is going to keep me busy as hell for the next few months.

^ This.

Rumors stay rumors. According to my local GW store: Hampton Village, Michigan, USA: GW will continue to beselling 6th edition and there are NO new plans for updating the rules, nor is there a need too. With that said, no 7th edition will be made. However, GW will be making a rules amendment and slight change to several rules. Just like with what they did with death from the skies. It`ll just be another book for sell comprising of several small changes, to the rules. Besidea that 7th edition would instantly all of GWs product line, making astra militarum a flop. My 2 cents.

 Zarrath wrote:
Rumors stay rumors. According to my local GW store: Hampton Village, Michigan, USA: GW will continue to beselling 6th edition and there are NO new plans for updating the rules, nor is there a need too. With that said, no 7th edition will be made. However, GW will be making a rules amendment and slight change to several rules. Just like with what they did with death from the skies. It`ll just be another book for sell comprising of several small changes, to the rules. Besidea that 7th edition would instantly all of GWs product line, making astra militarum a flop. My 2 cents.

You realize that we have confirmation of 7th edition direct from GW, right? Your local store employee might be banned from talking about it because it hasn't been officially announced yet, but 7th edition is indisputable fact.

 Zarrath wrote:
Rumors stay rumors. ... GW will continue to beselling 6th edition and there are NO new plans for updating the rules

I have WD Issue 15 in my hand and it specifically refers to "a new edition of" 40k in several places. 6th has been pulled from the shelves. 7th is happening.on 24 May.

Knight poster for those who asked:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Zarrath wrote:
Rumors stay rumors. According to my local GW store: Hampton Village, Michigan, USA: GW will continue to beselling 6th edition and there are NO new plans for updating the rules, nor is there a need too. With that said, no 7th edition will be made. However, GW will be making a rules amendment and slight change to several rules. Just like with what they did with death from the skies. It`ll just be another book for sell comprising of several small changes, to the rules. Besidea that 7th edition would instantly all of GWs product line, making astra militarum a flop. My 2 cents.

You realize that we have confirmation of 7th edition direct from GW, right? Your local store employee might be banned from talking about it because it hasn't been officially announced yet, but 7th edition is indisputable fact.

This. The new WD even says that:

24 May sees the launch of a new edition of the game, which is packed with new rules additions that make the grim darkness of the far future even more enjoyable.

So yeah, 7th confirmed.

WD Issue 15 Poster:


I'm slow...

 Zarrath wrote:
Rumors stay rumors. According to my local GW store: Hampton Village, Michigan, USA: GW will continue to beselling 6th edition and there are NO new plans for updating the rules, nor is there a need too. With that said, no 7th edition will be made. However, GW will be making a rules amendment and slight change to several rules. Just like with what they did with death from the skies. It`ll just be another book for sell comprising of several small changes, to the rules. Besidea that 7th edition would instantly all of GWs product line, making astra militarum a flop. My 2 cents.

Well, I guess I'll just take your local store manager's word (according to you, anyway) over the copy of White Dwarf that I've had in hand for the last two days, then. Silly me, buying into the specious rumors.

Normal force organization is Battle-Forged, when you use this type of force you get some sort of bonuses. Then the aforementioned Unbound Armies which allows you to take whatever you want from your collection, while still adhering to unit sizes. New allies matrix. There is six new Maelstrom of War Missions, using a suite of 36 Tactical Obj cards that apparently will change the way we play Warhammer. Oh you can discard one unwanted Tactical Objective per turn. Thus changing the battle for you. Yes, Psykers will be able to summon the fell denizens of the warp to do their bidding.. (not cool for me...yet) However if you are not demon spawn the cost is high... The 17th of May they promise more to feed our curiosity.


I'll bet Battle Forged is going to be great! I am curious what bonuses one gets for having that type of force.

 Zarrath wrote:
Rumors stay rumors. According to my local GW store: Hampton Village, Michigan, USA: GW will continue to beselling 6th edition and there are NO new plans for updating the rules, nor is there a need too. With that said, no 7th edition will be made. However, GW will be making a rules amendment and slight change to several rules. Just like with what they did with death from the skies. It`ll just be another book for sell comprising of several small changes, to the rules. Besidea that 7th edition would instantly all of GWs product line, making astra militarum a flop. My 2 cents.

I'll admit it, I laughed out loud at this one.

Based on the 7th edition article in WD, I think we know how GW feels about 40k players.

 Zarrath wrote:
Rumors stay rumors. According to my local GW store: Hampton Village, Michigan, USA: GW will continue to beselling 6th edition and there are NO new plans for updating the rules, nor is there a need too. With that said, no 7th edition will be made. However, GW will be making a rules amendment and slight change to several rules. Just like with what they did with death from the skies. It`ll just be another book for sell comprising of several small changes, to the rules. Besidea that 7th edition would instantly all of GWs product line, making astra militarum a flop. My 2 cents.

I like your hustle kid.

It's a nice hustle, but now provably incorrect

No new edition has ever voided the previously released codecies.
You can call it a new edition/evolution/upgrade/expansion or whatever, but the result is the same - You will need to buy the new rulebook/starter set in order to play games of Warhammer 40k as the creators intend it.

 Pacific wrote:

No new edition has ever voided the previously released codecies.

Except for 3rd edition, of course, which did just that.

But SINCE THEN, you're totally correct.