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2014/05/12 10:37:23
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Why on earth would you need permission from GW in the form of an official rule to do that? Really, what was stopping people from doing this before?
The idea of GW creating a way to Balance it out pleases me. The fact troops with "objective secured" can't be contested by anyone that doesn't have this rule, is a pretty cool change. I'm sure there's more to come.
Relax mate.
Relax? I am relaxed. I don't appreciate the sarcasm.
And you still havn't answered my question. If people playing with their friends want to ignore FOC rules and just throw waves of models at each other, what was stopping them beforehand from making up houserules? Why do people need to be spoonfed by GW?
Sarcasm? I'm not being sarcastic at all. I'm telling you to relax because you're jumping down my throat for saying I like a change they've made. There's nothing sarcastic there at all. With regards to house ruling... You could say the same about anything rule they implement!
I'm not jumping down your throat. I'm asking you to explain something that you said that I find mind boggling.
If people playing friendly games with their friends wanted to do something, why would they wait for years until a new Edition from GW said they could do it?
What's to stop you and your friends from making a 6th/7th edition Ork codex as play it using house rules? Nothing. A lot of people moan about GW's latest 6th editio, It's nice to see GW implementing stuff so it doesn't have to be house ruled. I for one like the changes.
What was stopping you and your friends making houserules in 6th Ed to ignore the FOC?
Are you just sour because you don't like it? If you don't like it, Don't play with or against people using unbound lists. Simple as that.
I don't understand the problem.
You can just 'house rule' that Unbound doesn't exist
STILL not answering the question.
We could be here all day at this, There is nothing stopping anyone from house ruling anything. Your question has been answered by way of example. What did you not understand about that? How does that impact what I said at all? It doesn't.
I like the idea of having an official rule set for such games. Is that a bad thing? Can't see how it is.
In fact.. What you're coming out with is Mind Boggling...
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Steve steveson wrote: What dose it matter that they have added these rules? It means people are given rules in which to do it. If people don't like it they can just not use the unbound rules, as per the video.
The idea of GW creating a way to Balance it out pleases me. The fact troops with "objective secured" can't be contested by anyone that doesn't have this rule, is a pretty cool change. I'm sure there's more to come.
Both of those look like answers to me. What was stopping people? Nothing, but it is nice to have rules.
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insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
2014/05/12 10:48:28
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
So from what I've gathered from the video and other stuff...
Troops and things with a certain rule can contest and claim objectives, but nothing else can?
That sort of turns Unbound on its head to a point as you will need Troops.
I think there's going to be a big change in scenarios where objective taking is going to be even more important.
Mr Mystery wrote:Suffice to say, if any of this is actually true, then clearly Elvis is hiding behind my left testicle, and Lord Lucan behind the right.
2014/05/12 10:59:56
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
If only GW did this kind of video every time they launched new rules...
Looks promising. The Combined Army benefits are interesting - re-rolling WT is meh but useful, while Objective Secured is awesome
Oh, and Troops inside Formations can totally score - no need for heated discussions
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Puscifer wrote: So from what I've gathered from the video and other stuff...
Troops and things with a certain rule can contest and claim objectives, but nothing else can?
That sort of turns Unbound on its head to a point as you will need Troops.
It looks like Unbound troops can't contest an objective from Battle forged troops, so not only do you need troops to score but you also have to wipe out the enemy troops before you can score at all.
I think the Warlord re-roll might be good for an AM tank commander as you have more chance of getting the outflank trait which is one of the more useful ones.
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2014/05/12 11:21:47
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
That video has successfully waylaid my fears about the Unbound stuff. It was literally the only thing keeping me back about being excited about this edition.
I think GW did a great job by releasing that video.
2014/05/12 11:30:58
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Puscifer wrote: So from what I've gathered from the video and other stuff...
Troops and things with a certain rule can contest and claim objectives, but nothing else can?
That sort of turns Unbound on its head to a point as you will need Troops.
It looks like Unbound troops can't contest an objective from Battle forged troops, so not only do you need troops to score but you also have to wipe out the enemy troops before you can score at all.
I think the Warlord re-roll might be good for an AM tank commander as you have more chance of getting the outflank trait which is one of the more useful ones.
So unbound... Isn't strictly unbound as you need some common sense to build the army in the first place.
That balances things out a lot and turns unbound on its head.
Mr Mystery wrote:Suffice to say, if any of this is actually true, then clearly Elvis is hiding behind my left testicle, and Lord Lucan behind the right.
2014/05/12 11:56:07
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Cheexsta wrote: That video has successfully waylaid my fears about the Unbound stuff. It was literally the only thing keeping me back about being excited about this edition.
I think GW did a great job by releasing that video.
Ye, I honestly think GW are changing there ways to some extent. Now, if this 7th dose turn out to still be quite close to 6th with just an errata and they do some FAQs it will be very good.
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
2014/05/12 11:57:42
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Jervis has been unleashed! My name's Jervis and I work for Games Workshop! Been laughing at this all morning.
For some strange reason, when I watched this video, I was reminded of what the Lady Galadriel said in The Two Towers:
Kirby will use his puppet, Johnson, to destroy the free peoples of Dakka. 7th edition has been unleashed!
For 130+ pages, most people have lamented the death of 40k. Now, after 3 minutes of video, 40k is the best thing since sliced bread!
It's often been said that women are a mystery and no man will ever understand them. Substitute women for dakka members...unless of course these dakka members posting are female 40k fans, which would explain a lot of things!
Personally, I think 7th will be the final nail in the coffin for 40k. I hope not.
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2014/05/12 11:58:07
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Cheexsta wrote: That video has successfully waylaid my fears about the Unbound stuff. It was literally the only thing keeping me back about being excited about this edition.
I think GW did a great job by releasing that video.
Ye, I honestly think GW are changing there ways to some extent. Now, if this 7th dose turn out to still be quite close to 6th with just an errata and they do some FAQs it will be very good.
As long as it doesn't invalidate the Space Marine codex I just bought last december...
2014/05/12 12:03:18
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
As long as it doesn't invalidate the Space Marine codex I just bought last december...
It wont. New editions never invalidate a Codex, look at Orks they haven't had a new one for a couple of editions.
Except when they do.....3rd edition would like a word with you.
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2014/05/12 12:13:54
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
As long as it doesn't invalidate the Space Marine codex I just bought last december...
It wont. New editions never invalidate a Codex, look at Orks they haven't had a new one for a couple of editions.
Except when they do.....3rd edition would like a word with you.
Can't see it happening. To invalidate a series of codex they only just released would be a major turn off for the consumer base. They seem to be trying to tailor things to their players now. Something we've been waiting for, for a LONG time.
For 130+ pages, most people have lamented the death of 40k. Now, after 3 minutes of video, 40k is the best thing since sliced bread!
.
Without going through 130 pages I'm going to guess that
these are different posters with new ones jumping into the
conversation after the video dropped.
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2014/05/12 12:17:31
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Very true. I'll wait and see and hope that we don't see a rapid release of dataslates that update armies to 7th at another $50 per.
Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do
2014/05/12 12:20:00
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
For 130+ pages, most people have lamented the death of 40k. Now, after 3 minutes of video, 40k is the best thing since sliced bread!
.
Without going through 130 pages I'm going to guess that
these are different posters with new ones jumping into the
conversation after the video dropped.
There has been a noticeable shift. The smug is strong with those of us who poked fun at the early melodramatics
2014/05/12 12:24:16
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
I think it is nice that they made the video and actually explained some things. That might be counted as an first attempt to communicate with the fanbase...
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2014/05/12 12:32:56
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Do you really think GW would do stuff to invalidate space marines, GWs poster boys and their bread and butter products. I think we can probably feel quite safe about that.
I'm looking forward to 7th, sounds like ti will be quite interesting
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2014/05/12 12:35:44
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Kosake wrote: I think it is nice that they made the video and actually explained some things. That might be counted as an first attempt to communicate with the fanbase...
Na...True communication would be two way, and involve actually listening to what the fans/customers have to say bout your products.
I'm tgoing o reserve judgement until people get their hands on the new rulebooks and can do a detailed review and analysis. I'm hopeful that they'll fix the various issues, but I have absolutely no faith that they will do so.
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