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2014/05/12 17:35:34
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
This thread reads like it needs a BAM! after a lot of comments
I just pray that the 6th edition rule book + FAQ/Errata will be a viable approach, although the signs seem to be coming together to read as "no." I think that if that is the case and the rules turn out to be okay, I will wait a while to obtain a rules-only edition of the game. After only two years with the LE copy, well, I won't get fooled again!
2014/05/12 17:36:40
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
I already know a player or two who will try to get games with broken spam lists with unbound. Bassiclt picking on newer players for the lulz
OH a bully then?
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2014/05/12 17:37:38
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Accolade wrote: This thread reads like it needs a BAM! after a lot of comments
I just pray that the 6th edition rule book + FAQ/Errata will be a viable approach, although the signs seem to be coming together to read as "no." I think that if that is the case and the rules turn out to be okay, I will wait a while to obtain a rules-only edition of the game. After only two years with the LE copy, well, I won't get fooled again!
You'll probably have to kill a few trees printing out the FAQ
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2014/05/12 17:39:21
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Sounds like unbound is for ploping models on a table and trying to table each other, which can be fun too if its just that
I thought this was how a lot of people play. Especially when they say, this unit sucks since it doesn't make it's points back.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2014/05/12 17:40:54
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Accolade wrote: This thread reads like it needs a BAM! after a lot of comments
I just pray that the 6th edition rule book + FAQ/Errata will be a viable approach, although the signs seem to be coming together to read as "no." I think that if that is the case and the rules turn out to be okay, I will wait a while to obtain a rules-only edition of the game. After only two years with the LE copy, well, I won't get fooled again!
You'll probably have to kill a few trees printing out the FAQ
So it's ok to kill the environment by surfing the net that takes electricity? This is more harmful than killing a few trees. Also what if he is not printing it out and using an iPad or some other tablet?
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2014/05/12 17:42:01
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Sir Arun wrote: Still you cannot argue that there isnt a steady powercreep in Magic. But I guess this is the industry norm pretty much in every game series still in existence today.
Can we take the MtG talk to a different thread before the mods get mad?
The mods are always mad. That's their secret.
2 years is way too soon for a new edition in my book. I don't like it. But, to stay current, I'll buy one from my FLGS anyway.
Dag nabbit!
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2014/05/12 17:42:40
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Well, kind of. Even if it was the same person(was supposed to be a bunch of unrelated examples), he would have gotten a game after driving home gameless for six Saturdays, and then finally found a game (which he still might not have enjoyed) after not playing at all for almost two months. That's a lot of wasted fuel and time, if you ask me. That's why pick-up games simply ask for points and then duke it out. If the kid with the rhinos wants to play, I'll play him and go easy on him. Even if I'm not getting the game I'm looking for, I get to play. If the other guy is setting down the Warhound Titan, I'll see if I can beat it, even though it would take a lot of luck. Still better than standing around in a store with nothing to do but hoping that someone without a lord of war comes in.
But even in all of your examples, you still have the "Welp, better than nothing I guess" option. I'm merely suggesting that instead of simply accepting a game you don't find fun, that you might have an actual conversation with the person to see if there is perhaps some middle ground to be reached. Perhaps I'm being optimistically naive, but I'd like to think someone there for a fun game would be willing to try to make it fun for both people.
That's my point. Either you get a game in and might get tabled, or just just don't play a game. For what we know, that imaginary person might totally suck at generalship and you manage to beat him easily. Or you get tabled, get to know that person and arrange a game with him for next week. Still better than simply refusing to play.
Because that person might not be present, is already playing a game with other people, didn't bring the models to play the game you're looking for or simply doesn't want to play you for other reasons. Not everyone can afford to hang around the store for hours and days, waiting till someone comes to play your way. Most of the time, there are only one or two opponents to chose from, and a lot of times, those people don't have the same idea of how the game is supposed to be played as you. The smallest common ground are GW's rules. If you leave that common ground, you are willingly skipping out of games. The farther you leave, the less games you get. If you refuse to play against Tau, Eldar, Daemons, Escalation, Stronghold, Grey Knights and anything from forgeworld - which is exactly what many people are suggesting - good luck on finding any games at all.
Ah, here may be where I think we've run into a communication disconnect. I wasn't suggesting you simply refuse to play anyone and everyone who doesn't want to play exactly as you do (which I realize is also not what you're suggesting, but rather was is hyperbolically being suggested at you). I'm suggesting that cries of "UNBOUND WILL COMPLETELY RUIN PUGs!" are off base in that it's not as though you can't speak with that other person and see if some agreement can be reached. Sure, sometimes there is nothing either of you can budge on, but in that case you're still really where you were before you asked: forced to either play or not play. That other person is presumably in the same situation you are: they want to play a game but have a limited supply of opponent's to choose from.
2014/05/12 17:43:14
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Davor wrote: So it's ok to kill the environment by surfing the net that takes electricity? This is more harmful than killing a few trees. Also what if he is not printing it out and using an iPad or some other tablet?
Hydroelectric power here.
Seriously, I expect a massive FAQ for this. And it will be magical.
2014/05/12 17:48:55
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Davor wrote: So it's ok to kill the environment by surfing the net that takes electricity? This is more harmful than killing a few trees. Also what if he is not printing it out and using an iPad or some other tablet?
Hydroelectric power here.
Seriously, I expect a massive FAQ for this. And it will be magical.
It will probably be the length of the 6th ed rulebook
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2014/05/12 17:49:24
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Davor wrote: So it's ok to kill the environment by surfing the net that takes electricity? This is more harmful than killing a few trees. Also what if he is not printing it out and using an iPad or some other tablet?
Hydroelectric power here.
Seriously, I expect a massive FAQ for this. And it will be magical.
It will probably be the length of the 6th ed rulebook
....I may need another ream of paper then.
2014/05/12 17:56:57
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Still waiting for the most important information of all- the models in the starter.
If Orks are up soon, then having them in the starter makes sense, and it's also possibly sensible to have Blood Angels be with them, since BA haven't had an update in a wee while, they could be next after that.
If it's Orks and Blood Angels, I'm leaning a little more towards picking up a starter, for nostalgia reasons.
Still haven't painted my last starter's worth though! Should really get on that.
Da Boss wrote: Still waiting for the most important information of all- the models in the starter.
If Orks are up soon, then having them in the starter makes sense, and it's also possibly sensible to have Blood Angels be with them, since BA haven't had an update in a wee while, they could be next after that.
If it's Orks and Blood Angels, I'm leaning a little more towards picking up a starter, for nostalgia reasons.
Still haven't painted my last starter's worth though! Should really get on that.
Starters have traditionally come out a few months AFTER the big rule book for recent editions IIRC.
2014/05/12 18:09:50
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Da Boss wrote: Still waiting for the most important information of all- the models in the starter. If Orks are up soon, then having them in the starter makes sense, and it's also possibly sensible to have Blood Angels be with them, since BA haven't had an update in a wee while, they could be next after that.
If it's Orks and Blood Angels, I'm leaning a little more towards picking up a starter, for nostalgia reasons.
Still haven't painted my last starter's worth though! Should really get on that.
Starters have traditionally come out a few months AFTER the big rule book for recent editions IIRC.
You are correct:
5th edition: July 2008 Assault on Black Reach: Sept 2008
6th Edition: June 2012 Dark Vengeance: Sept 2012
WrentheFaceless wrote: Starters usually do, but since this edition is comming out quicker than prior ones, perhaps the starter will be out a bit quicker as well?
Here's hoping!
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2014/05/12 18:14:47
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Davor wrote: So it's ok to kill the environment by surfing the net that takes electricity? This is more harmful than killing a few trees. Also what if he is not printing it out and using an iPad or some other tablet?
Hydroelectric power here.
Seriously, I expect a massive FAQ for this. And it will be magical.
It will probably be the length of the 6th ed rulebook
....I may need another ream of paper then.
Get with the times. Get an iPad. Will be cheaper with all that paper, and it will save some trees.
BTW I see you are like me. You can't decide if you are Canadian or American.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/05/12 18:16:08
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2014/05/12 18:15:02
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
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