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rigeld2 wrote:

 Dullspork wrote:
Standard: $85US
Munitorum (Collectors): $340US
Psychic Cards: $15US
Tactical Objectives: $8US

Not that I doubt you, but source?

Games Workshop

 kronk wrote:


You are correct:

5th edition: July 2008
Assault on Black Reach: Sept 2008

6th Edition: June 2012
Dark Vengeance: Sept 2012

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Starters usually do, but since this edition is comming out quicker than prior ones, perhaps the starter will be out a bit quicker as well?

Here's hoping!

Thanks for the details. If we extrapolate from this limited data set, we get:

7th Edition: May 2012
Absurdity of the Unbound Mayhem: Sept 2012

They obviously don't want people waiting for the "little book" to get the new rules from their when they can get a sizable proportion of sales of the larger more expensive book in the meantime which I suspect is the reason for the gap historically. In any case, I don't expect to get the big book for the first time since getting into the game in 3rd edition. Hell, I got the 4e book despite skipping it.. but now I know better. I'll just wait for cheaper alternatives a few months down the line. In any case, at the rate I play of two trips to the FLGS every 3 months, I won't miss much.

 Da Boss wrote:
Still waiting for the most important information of all- the models in the starter.
If Orks are up soon, then having them in the starter makes sense, and it's also possibly sensible to have Blood Angels be with them, since BA haven't had an update in a wee while, they could be next after that.

If it's Orks and Blood Angels, I'm leaning a little more towards picking up a starter, for nostalgia reasons.


Still haven't painted my last starter's worth though! Should really get on that.

There will be no starter.

From 40k radio:

"Some updates on 7th edition: 1) It will purely be a book release. 2) It could be released as early as May.

On the Chaos Space Marine Releases. 1) Look for the stuff to be released beginning of summer. 2) Crimson Slaughter(CSM in the DV starter) might receive a Supplement as well."

So you will only have to buy the rulebook for 100$, it will be valid for about 12 months top.

Davor wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Davor wrote:
So it's ok to kill the environment by surfing the net that takes electricity? This is more harmful than killing a few trees. Also what if he is not printing it out and using an iPad or some other tablet?

Hydroelectric power here.

Seriously, I expect a massive FAQ for this. And it will be magical.

It will probably be the length of the 6th ed rulebook

....I may need another ream of paper then.

Get with the times. Get an iPad. Will be cheaper with all that paper, and it will save some trees.

BTW I see you are like me. You can't decide if you are Canadian or American.

I show up as Canadian when I'm at the local college. Despite my house being closer to the border than the college is.

And I have an iPad, but not all the books are on iPad. Plus I bought most of the books in hard copy to get them on release for review purposes.

$85 for the rules and you have to buy an additional card pack! And they more than likely plan to invalidate the rules every two years now so what is wrong with GW? It's like they're trying to throw the company under the train on purpose now.

My psychic cards are predicting another 25% fall very soon for the big Kirby machine.

Mr.Church13 wrote:
$85 for the rules and you have to buy an additional card pack! And they more than likely plan to invalidate the rules every two years now so what is wrong with GW? It's like they're trying to throw the company under the train on purpose now.

My psychic cards are predicting another 25% fall very soon for the big Kirby machine.

Why do you have to buy a card pack? I haven't had to yet.

The new missions would seem to require them.

 jhnbrg wrote:
So you will only have to buy the rulebook for 100$, it will be valid for about 12 months top.

I think that's a bit too far on the cynicism there. I don't think it's quite that bad.


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 Eldarain wrote:
The new missions would seem to require them.

But the old Missions are still in the rules too.

 jhnbrg wrote:
So you will only have to buy the rulebook for 100$, it will be valid for about 12 months top.

Why do you think there will be no starter?
Why do you think it will only last 12 months tops?

No information that has been posts suggests this in any way shape or form. You're just tossing out 'sky is falling' panic comments for no particular reason.

If there is going to be a small hardcover rules-only book I will likely try out 7th.

If there's nothing but the $90 US - or $100 Can large hardback - not likely.

 Eldarain wrote:
The new missions would seem to require them.

The things they represent aren't going to be spelled out in the rules? You know - like the Psychic powers?

 jhnbrg wrote:


There will be no starter.

From 40k radio:

"Some updates on 7th edition: 1) It will purely be a book release. 2) It could be released as early as May.

So you will only have to buy the rulebook for 100$, it will be valid for about 12 months top.

1) The 6th ed rulebook was released in july and the starter box wasn't out until September so the fact that there's no starter box this month proves precisely feth all

2) You've got no idea how long it'll be valid for

I am flat out astounded that GW even deigned to communicate with us outside of a crude teaser trailer.

Those who are championing a 6th + FAQ + Errata = Not having to buy the new rules.

Hah, Ha, Ha, Ha,...

Not gonna happen. This is a complete revamp /new edition.

You'll notice that 5th did not get FAQed and Errata'd to bring it up to the standards of 6th.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
The new missions would seem to require them.

The things they represent aren't going to be spelled out in the rules? You know - like the Psychic powers?

Entirely possible but it would be fairly clunky to roll for them randomly each turn including swapping out and easily keeping track of what missions each player is going after turn after turn.

 Eldarain wrote:
The new missions would seem to require them.

They do not. I am told that there's a chart you can roll on. The cards are merely for convenience.

rigeld2 wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
$85 for the rules and you have to buy an additional card pack! And they more than likely plan to invalidate the rules every two years now so what is wrong with GW? It's like they're trying to throw the company under the train on purpose now.

My psychic cards are predicting another 25% fall very soon for the big Kirby machine.

Why do you have to buy a card pack? I haven't had to yet.

You certainly don't have to, but I really liked the psychic power cards. Shame they're invalidated so quickly.

jamesk1973 wrote:
I am flat out astounded that GW even deigned to communicate with us outside of a crude teaser trailer.

Those who are championing a 6th + FAQ + Errata = Not having to buy the new rules.

Hah, Ha, Ha, Ha,...

Not gonna happen. This is a complete revamp /new edition.

You'll notice that 5th did not get FAQed and Errata'd to bring it up to the standards of 6th.

Probably because 5th to 6th was a bit longer, and 6th was advertised as a new edition, not a giant update not new but is new but not new edition.

 kronk wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
$85 for the rules and you have to buy an additional card pack! And they more than likely plan to invalidate the rules every two years now so what is wrong with GW? It's like they're trying to throw the company under the train on purpose now.

My psychic cards are predicting another 25% fall very soon for the big Kirby machine.

Why do you have to buy a card pack? I haven't had to yet.

You certainly don't have to, but I really liked the psychic power cards. Shame they're invalidated so quickly.

Index cards 4tw.
Or magic card proxies.


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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Probably because 5th to 6th was a bit longer, and 6th was advertised as a new edition, not a giant update not new but is new but not new edition.

Except WD called this a new edition, not a revamp...

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

jamesk1973 wrote:
I am flat out astounded that GW even deigned to communicate with us outside of a crude teaser trailer.

Those who are championing a 6th + FAQ + Errata = Not having to buy the new rules.

Hah, Ha, Ha, Ha,...

Not gonna happen. This is a complete revamp /new edition.

You'll notice that 5th did not get FAQed and Errata'd to bring it up to the standards of 6th.

Probably because 5th to 6th was a bit longer, and 6th was advertised as a new edition, not a giant update not new but is new but not new edition.

As far as I am aware, GW has not advertised this update as anything BUT a new edition. This "6.5" business is a community construct.

Edit: Spelling

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

jamesk1973 wrote:
I am flat out astounded that GW even deigned to communicate with us outside of a crude teaser trailer.

Those who are championing a 6th + FAQ + Errata = Not having to buy the new rules.

Hah, Ha, Ha, Ha,...

Not gonna happen. This is a complete revamp /new edition.

You'll notice that 5th did not get FAQed and Errata'd to bring it up to the standards of 6th.

Probably because 5th to 6th was a bit longer, and 6th was advertised as a new edition, not a giant update not new but is new but not new edition.

Not sure where people are getting the not a "new" edition from... the precise words used in the WD was the "all new edition".

rigeld2 wrote:

 kronk wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
$85 for the rules and you have to buy an additional card pack! And they more than likely plan to invalidate the rules every two years now so what is wrong with GW? It's like they're trying to throw the company under the train on purpose now.

My psychic cards are predicting another 25% fall very soon for the big Kirby machine.

Why do you have to buy a card pack? I haven't had to yet.

You certainly don't have to, but I really liked the psychic power cards. Shame they're invalidated so quickly.

Index cards 4tw.
Or magic card proxies.

feth that noise. Spread sheets + Printer+ Laminator. It's just sitting there, collecting dust, judging me...

Oh they did call it a new Edition then? I must have been not paying attention.

Still though its most likely due to the quicker release compared to prior editions

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
$85 for the rules and you have to buy an additional card pack! And they more than likely plan to invalidate the rules every two years now so what is wrong with GW? It's like they're trying to throw the company under the train on purpose now.

My psychic cards are predicting another 25% fall very soon for the big Kirby machine.

I don't see the issue. It only works out o $50 a year. Xbox LIVE costs more than that. Why are people making such a huge deal about this?

Because for some people, it's either/or, not both. Look I know the "feth you, I got mine Jack" attitude is popular around here, but it's not a difficult concept to grasp; people who don't have a lot of disposable income are naturally going to resent an additional unnecessary expense being imposed. It means they have to give up something else, and if they can only afford to keep up one hobby and chose 40K, it means they have to eat into their own hobby budget just to keep using the models they already have.

Christ I have an Autism spectrum disorder and I seem to have more empathy and basic consideration for other people's circumstances than a lot of folk here.

the words, "new edition" used four times in the WD.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
$85 for the rules and you have to buy an additional card pack! And they more than likely plan to invalidate the rules every two years now so what is wrong with GW? It's like they're trying to throw the company under the train on purpose now.

My psychic cards are predicting another 25% fall very soon for the big Kirby machine.

I don't see the issue. It only works out o $50 a year. Xbox LIVE costs more than that. Why are people making such a huge deal about this?

Xbox Live nets you quality multiplayer, offering reliable servers, VOIP chat, discounts on products and even free games.

40k gets you gakky, non-playtested and hastily written rules.

Go figure

You forgot that 40k also nets you "multiplayer".

But XBL requires electricity and 40K doesn't...nyah!

jamesk1973 wrote:
the words, "new edition" used four times in the WD.

And yet not even 2 days ago I was seeing posts about it being "6.5" still.

 kronk wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
$85 for the rules and you have to buy an additional card pack! And they more than likely plan to invalidate the rules every two years now so what is wrong with GW? It's like they're trying to throw the company under the train on purpose now.

My psychic cards are predicting another 25% fall very soon for the big Kirby machine.

Why do you have to buy a card pack? I haven't had to yet.

You certainly don't have to, but I really liked the psychic power cards. Shame they're invalidated so quickly.

I'll be interested to see the new psychic power cards, and whether they're the whole set of Bio, TK, Pyro, Div, and TP, along with the all new Daemonology, or if the new cards are just Daemonology.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

You forgot that 40k also nets you "multiplayer".

Actually, no, only if GW offered you the infrastructure to play games. Well...they do. If you still play at a GW. And can still play at a GW. If you don't get charged for doing so. If you don't get bothered and oushed to buy something at their store. GW stores used to be dedicated to playing the game. Ye know, a long time ago.

Nowadays, you are much better off playing at a gaming club. Full allowance of proxies, much better atmosphere, more events and actual competitive games.

Nope. What we get are new rules after just 2 years as GW realized that's the only way to make money. Purposefully overpowered models and rules to boost sales. Shutting down comp play and alienating vets because they don't fall for their poor business strategies...etc.

7th is not out yet. It might turn out good. Right now, however, it looks like the worst edition for a long time.

shade1313 wrote:

 kronk wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
$85 for the rules and you have to buy an additional card pack! And they more than likely plan to invalidate the rules every two years now so what is wrong with GW? It's like they're trying to throw the company under the train on purpose now.

My psychic cards are predicting another 25% fall very soon for the big Kirby machine.

Why do you have to buy a card pack? I haven't had to yet.

You certainly don't have to, but I really liked the psychic power cards. Shame they're invalidated so quickly.

I'll be interested to see the new psychic power cards, and whether they're the whole set of Bio, TK, Pyro, Div, and TP, along with the all new Daemonology, or if the new cards are just Daemonology.

There was a rumor 30+ pages back or so that Divination was getting modified, so I'm betting it's all new.

We'll see!