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Coteaz summoning demons. They clearly don't give a damn about their own fluff anymore.

That new ruleset better be the most awesomest ever made, or I'll go forge my narrative somewhere else.

Everything (almost) is scoring - no word on if this extends to vehicles. Battle forged troops trump other scoring units, though, so they can steal objectives from non troop enemy units (or unbound troops).

Has anyone got the link to the third video yet?

 Erzanj wrote:
Coteaz summoning demons. They clearly don't give a damn about their own fluff anymore.

You do realize that the current fluff states that he's slowly slipping as he's getting older?

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Swooping FMCS only take grounding tests once per phase, at the end, and only if they take a wound.

No more grounding from Markerlights. I'm Ok with that.

(disclaimer: has been known to play a Flying Circus)

I read that as you still get to take your invulnerable save even if they roll a 6, it's just that you have to pass D6+6 of them for the model to survive.

Oh, and that last scan from WD (the page 21) confirms that Deamons will have access to Daemonology.

So, I guess we will be able to cast Possession with them. Instant mid-battle promotion from herald to Greater Demon could be funny.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Erzanj wrote:
Coteaz summoning demons. They clearly don't give a damn about their own fluff anymore.

You do realize that the current fluff states that he's slowly slipping as he's getting older?

I remembered him as strictly Puritan. I'll have to read it again, thanks for pointing that out.

 DiabolicAl wrote:
Many thanks for the pics, any chance of some of the new releases or the collectors edition?

Cheers

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yylmwrocry2fwjx/Photo%20May%2013%2C%205%2031%2040%20PM.jpg

 Vaktathi wrote:
So the counter to 2++ rerollable saves got punked, which in theory was fine, but they don't seem to have really done anything about the ability to run something that just a few years ago was hyperbolic exaggeration.

But there remains the possibility that invuls themselves could have been revised, don't panic yet (ie capped at 3++ or not rerollable or similar)


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Removing invul on roll of a 6 is useless on a counter level. Counters need to be reliable. That's why you paid the super premium for D weapons - reliable strength. A 1/6th chance is highly unreliable and not worth the huge points investment.

So basically, we're back to Deathstars now? Along with them scoring? GW rocks.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 DiabolicAl wrote:
Many thanks for the pics, any chance of some of the new releases or the collectors edition?

Cheers

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yylmwrocry2fwjx/Photo%20May%2013%2C%205%2031%2040%20PM.jpg

Top stuff! cheers for that! Looks impressive.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Wow, so GW was serious about IoM willing to summon demons from the warp.

Like...wow. Really. That's just...wow. That's worse than the 5th Necron fluff. Holy crap. So, "forge your narrative" now means "feth everything, nobody wants that lore anyway!"? Well played GW.

This is going to end up like the "x and Y would never ally" stuff of 6th isn't it?

Daemon hosts have been a thing for a long time. That is an inquisitor summoning a daemon. Disparate or arrogant people have always tried it, but now it can be represented in the game. No lore/fluff problem at all. It may not happen very often, but then nor dose the death of Bjorn the Fel Handed, but it dose all the time in game.

Oh boy the challenge wounds overflow!!!!!!!

yes kharn and my JuggerAxeLord will love this to no end..heck all my Khorne Champions will love this!!!!!

Difficult terrain is -2" to charge range.

7+ to explode a vehicle.

New wound allocation - weapon by weapon.

OMG!

I so have to get the Munitorium Edition.

Better cover art on the books? Check!
Objective tokens? Check!
Art book? Check!
Nice looking box? Check!

Going to be hitting F5 on Friday to make sure I bag one of those bad-boys.

Take my money! Take my money!

rollawaythestone wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
The challenge buff is nice i guess. no more chumping sergeants

but did FMC and 2++ rerollables reallllly need more help?

FFS

No, but everything else did.
Do not think of the change to Destroyer Weapons as a buff to 2+ invuls, but as a buff to everything else with an invul.

D was the most reliable counter to 2++ rerolls though, unless the psyker phase and power changes and other changes nerf 2++ rerolls

Was it? In theory, yes. But considering no one I know of actually plays with Superheavies or D weapons, it hardly counts as an actual reliable counter.

You're allowed to take them, just everyone makes a hissy fit about them even though they're not that bad.

Especially considering the FOC for 7th includes Lords of War in the BRB, and knights are more prevalent now, D is a near reality.

Any word yet on whether Psychic powers are once a turn yet? Cause if it's not the game just broke.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Removing invul on roll of a 6 is useless on a counter level. Counters need to be reliable. That's why you paid the super premium for D weapons - reliable strength. A 1/6th chance is highly unreliable and not worth the huge points investment.

So basically, we're back to Deathstars now? Along with them scoring? GW rocks.

I think you'll find that fortune will be much harder to cast as a WC2 psychic power now instead of a ld10 check. Plus you can throw all your dispel dice to try and block it, with no chance of perils as a defending player.

Chill.

I think that I need this munitorum boxed set. Must resist

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 DiabolicAl wrote:
Many thanks for the pics, any chance of some of the new releases or the collectors edition?

Cheers

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yylmwrocry2fwjx/Photo%20May%2013%2C%205%2031%2040%20PM.jpg

Any prices in that thing?

Yeah being able to actually stop psychic powers is cool as hell.

It still doesn't matter though if you can have 3 Psykers casting the same spell every turn though that bring in more psykers that can cast that same spell over and over again.

I can see it now, unbound army. Ahriman + as many sorcs as you can afford. Turn one: summon the army.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Oh boy the challenge wounds overflow!!!!!!!

yes kharn and my JuggerAxeLord will love this to no end..heck all my Khorne Champions will love this!!!!!

As a Black Templars player, I too approve of this change.

There are only 2000 copies of that Munitorum edition rulebook? Weren't there like 4-5000 last go around?

"Difficult terrain is -2" to charge range."

This makes me wonder if Move Through Cover negates that, and maybe assault grenades will mess with Overwatch instead.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 DiabolicAl wrote:
Many thanks for the pics, any chance of some of the new releases or the collectors edition?

Cheers

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yylmwrocry2fwjx/Photo%20May%2013%2C%205%2031%2040%20PM.jpg

Any prices in that thing?

Rulebook - $85
Munitorum edition - $340, 2,000 copies, online only, limited
Psychic deck - $15
Tactical objectives - $8

No dice, objectives, or templates. Those will probably drop next week.

I'm OKwith the idea of Imperial players being able to summon Demons, as long as in team games/Doubles, a non-Heretical player can immediately declare an EXTERMINATUS and exterminate the Heretic.

And I'm not joking. If I'm playing a team game, and my Spess Mehreen / Imperial Guard Astra Wotsit / Adepta Sista partner uses his psyker to summon a Daemon I'm gonna say "feth that" and switch sides mid-game. My entire army will then turn on the spot and target the filthy Daemon-consorting-Heretics. Objective be damned.

Hows that for forging a narrative?

Raven Guard do not tolerate Heretics.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Difficult terrain is -2" to charge range.

7+ to explode a vehicle.

New wound allocation - weapon by weapon.

The terrain change sound very helpful for assault armies. Pics please?

Besides that though I'm hoping for maybe one more buff to assault deliver-ability. Best case scenario would be altering Overwatch so that it's actually a tactical choice rather than a free bonus, but I'll take what we can get.

Mavnas wrote:
I can see it now, unbound army. Ahriman + as many sorcs as you can afford. Turn one: summon the army.

I realize you're probably half joking, but I don't think it would be that bad...

I get to deny some of those at least, and you should get a few miscasts, and I'll kill a bunch of your stuff too. And then I'm super scoring, while you're not.

Could it be... balanced?

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 DiabolicAl wrote:
Many thanks for the pics, any chance of some of the new releases or the collectors edition?

Cheers

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yylmwrocry2fwjx/Photo%20May%2013%2C%205%2031%2040%20PM.jpg

Any prices in that thing?

Rulebook - $85
Munitorum edition - $340, 2,000 copies, online only, limited
Psychic deck - $15
Tactical objectives - $8

No dice, objectives, or templates. Those will probably drop next week.

Thanks!