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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

In the US textbooks are a tax write-off, nerd toys aren't....big difference. That and textbooks hopefully will equate into higher earnings which GW books won't. Not a great comparison if you're trying to be serious about it.

That write off doesn't help during the year when your "job" is "full time student" though. The point was the cost for GW's books is lower than what I pay for my textbooks and I can use them longer (unless GW goes to a 4 month edition plan that is).


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Davor wrote:
I thought Zion was Canadian. I wonder why he put up American prices.

The flag next to my name changes when I'm at the college versus home. I'm an American (no, I'm not proud of that fact either).

And the cost for a rulebook of another game system is $30-$45 in full-color hardbound format and, they will probably stay around for four or five years. For example:

Warmachine Prime MkII - Printed Oct. 2009 and $45 for hardback. Cost of rules per year to date: $9
Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition Rulebook - $75. Cost of rules per year to date: $38.

Are GW rules really 322% better than Warmachine to justify paying that much more? No. They are actually worse than Warmachine rules (not saying preference for the game but the quality of the rules writing).

To be frank, GW writes some of the worst rules in the market now and yet, they charge like the write the best ones. Then they resort to outright lying now to sell product. We made changes based on feedback from thousands of games? Really, up until this point I never, not once, have heard or read anyone saying - "Ezekiel needs to be able to summon Daemons. Come on, it's in the fluff!!!" or "We need to do away with the FOC and let us field any models we want from any army we want!". No, thousands of gamers didn't give that feedback, only Kirby did.

I will be waiting a few months before picking up 7th Edition (if at all), until I see the actual feedback for how things play out in reality with Unbound and Daemonlogy. When 6th first came out everyone thought Allies were a great idea, until the abuses became known. Not to mention that 6th games were already too slow and from some of the changes that have leaked, it sounds like 7th edition is going to be even slower. I also want to wait and see what the new Ork codex looks like (physically). If the cover of the Ork codex mimics this new 7th edition, then you can bet every single codex is going to get the 7th treatment. Useful weapons will be nerfed and other made useful (Okay, no Laser Lock on Scatter Lasers anymore but let's put it on Shuriken Cannons - yeah, that's the ticket that will get everyone buying models again).

Personally, I believe GW is jumping the shark with this edition, so I will wait and see what gamers really think after they have a few games under their belt. For me, 40k has turned into a suckers train and GW is going to play their customers for all they are worth. Unfortunately, I will not be one of those customers.

What about Shining Spears? Assuming Skilled Rider is left intact they could zoom in with a 2+ jink save turn one and then assault turn two...

 Wayshuba wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

In the US textbooks are a tax write-off, nerd toys aren't....big difference. That and textbooks hopefully will equate into higher earnings which GW books won't. Not a great comparison if you're trying to be serious about it.

That write off doesn't help during the year when your "job" is "full time student" though. The point was the cost for GW's books is lower than what I pay for my textbooks and I can use them longer (unless GW goes to a 4 month edition plan that is).


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Davor wrote:
I thought Zion was Canadian. I wonder why he put up American prices.

The flag next to my name changes when I'm at the college versus home. I'm an American (no, I'm not proud of that fact either).

And the cost for a rulebook of another game system is $30-$45 in full-color hardbound format and, they will probably stay around for four or five years. For example:

Warmachine Prime MkII - Printed Oct. 2009 and $45 for hardback. Cost of rules per year to date: $9
Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition Rulebook - $75. Cost of rules per year to date: $38.

Are GW rules really 322% better than Warmachine to justify paying that much more? No. They are actually worse than Warmachine rules (not saying preference for the game but the quality of the rules writing).

To be frank, GW writes some of the worst rules in the market now and yet, they charge like the write the best ones. Then they resort to outright lying now to sell product. We made changes based on feedback from thousands of games? Really, up until this point I never, not once, have heard or read anyone saying - "Ezekiel needs to be able to summon Daemons. Come on, it's in the fluff!!!" or "We need to do away with the FOC and let us field any models we want from any army we want!". No, thousands of gamers didn't give that feedback, only Kirby did.

I will be waiting a few months before picking up 7th Edition (if at all), until I see the actual feedback for how things play out in reality with Unbound and Daemonlogy. When 6th first came out everyone thought Allies were a great idea, until the abuses became known. Not to mention that 6th games were already too slow and from some of the changes that have leaked, it sounds like 7th edition is going to be even slower.

Personally, I believe GW is jumping the shark with this edition, so I will wait and see what gamers really think after they have a few games under their belt.

You missed the post where I pointed out that just because I find the cost for amount of time I use it to be better than some things that I still don't like the prices being as high as they are. Just because I can and have wasted my money on stuff I use less doesn't mean I like spending $50 on a codex or $85 on a rulebook.

 Wayshuba wrote:
To be frank, GW writes some of the worst rules in the market now and yet, they charge like the write the best ones. Then they resort to outright lying now to sell product. We made changes based on feedback from thousands of games? Really, up until this point I never, not once, have heard or read anyone saying - "Ezekiel needs to be able to summon Daemons. Come on, it's in the fluff!!!" or "We need to do away with the FOC and let us field any models we want from any army we want!". No, thousands of gamers didn't give that feedback, only Kirby did.

I think you're mixing "new features introduced to stimulate sales" up with "refinements and improvements of the rules" there.

Both can, and are, happening simultaneously.

While I don't believe the "thousands of games" of feedback for a second, I can believe "5 minutes in the Internet" of feedback, which distils down to the same thing, as long as they've swallowed their pride and admitted, if only privately, that things needed addressing.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Wayshuba wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

In the US textbooks are a tax write-off, nerd toys aren't....big difference. That and textbooks hopefully will equate into higher earnings which GW books won't. Not a great comparison if you're trying to be serious about it.

That write off doesn't help during the year when your "job" is "full time student" though. The point was the cost for GW's books is lower than what I pay for my textbooks and I can use them longer (unless GW goes to a 4 month edition plan that is).


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Davor wrote:
I thought Zion was Canadian. I wonder why he put up American prices.

The flag next to my name changes when I'm at the college versus home. I'm an American (no, I'm not proud of that fact either).

And the cost for a rulebook of another game system is $30-$45 in full-color hardbound format and, they will probably stay around for four or five years. For example:

Warmachine Prime MkII - Printed Oct. 2009 and $45 for hardback. Cost of rules per year to date: $9
Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition Rulebook - $75. Cost of rules per year to date: $38.

Are GW rules really 322% better than Warmachine to justify paying that much more? No. They are actually worse than Warmachine rules (not saying preference for the game but the quality of the rules writing).

To be frank, GW writes some of the worst rules in the market now and yet, they charge like the write the best ones. Then they resort to outright lying now to sell product. We made changes based on feedback from thousands of games? Really, up until this point I never, not once, have heard or read anyone saying - "Ezekiel needs to be able to summon Daemons. Come on, it's in the fluff!!!" or "We need to do away with the FOC and let us field any models we want from any army we want!". No, thousands of gamers didn't give that feedback, only Kirby did.

I will be waiting a few months before picking up 7th Edition (if at all), until I see the actual feedback for how things play out in reality with Unbound and Daemonlogy. When 6th first came out everyone thought Allies were a great idea, until the abuses became known. Not to mention that 6th games were already too slow and from some of the changes that have leaked, it sounds like 7th edition is going to be even slower.

Personally, I believe GW is jumping the shark with this edition, so I will wait and see what gamers really think after they have a few games under their belt.

You missed the post where I pointed out that just because I find the cost for amount of time I use it to be better than some things that I still don't like the prices being as high as they are. Just because I can and have wasted my money on stuff I use less doesn't mean I like spending $50 on a codex or $85 on a rulebook.

No, I caught that. I was just adding to your comparison that it can be looked at another way against cheaper forms of the same books.


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 azreal13 wrote:

 Wayshuba wrote:
To be frank, GW writes some of the worst rules in the market now and yet, they charge like the write the best ones. Then they resort to outright lying now to sell product. We made changes based on feedback from thousands of games? Really, up until this point I never, not once, have heard or read anyone saying - "Ezekiel needs to be able to summon Daemons. Come on, it's in the fluff!!!" or "We need to do away with the FOC and let us field any models we want from any army we want!". No, thousands of gamers didn't give that feedback, only Kirby did.

I think you're mixing "new features introduced to stimulate sales" up with "refinements and improvements of the rules" there.

Both can, and are, happening simultaneously.

While I don't believe the "thousands of games" of feedback for a second, I can believe "5 minutes in the Internet" of feedback, which distils down to the same thing, as long as they've swallowed their pride and admitted, if only privately, that things needed addressing.

Yes, there are some changes - although, personally, I find it debatable that they are improvements. But that is just my opinion and I don't expect everyone to agree.

However, I also personally don't believe for one second this is about improvements to the game or for their customers. I believe GW is now a one trick 40k pony. They were looking at Ork and Necrons coming down the pike, which from other sources accounts for a total of 4% of their sales. They needed something to get all gamers buying stuff. Lots of daemons, expensive psycher models, large expensive model kits, lords of war, and multitude of expensive elite models. They need to up the escalation of the game. I think, when people finally get playing this edition in ernst, that the 40k everyone has known will no longer be the 40k anyone remembers.

But again, this is all just my personal opinion.

 Sephyr wrote:
"Changed stuff over player feedback"?

Hardly. If they are opening pre-orders this soon, it means that the books are already printed. The only way to respond to feedback now would be a Day One FAQ.

To be fair, it doesn't say feedback from GAMERS, just feedback from "thousands of games". You know, the test ones they do in-house that they write about in WD and pretty much ignore the rules anyway.

 paqman wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Looking at the just a -2 BS for Snap Fire my Space Wolves realy will not need Allied AAA Defences between Ven-Riflemen-Dreads and Bjorn with a Las-Cannon.

Mmmm, I have the Venerable option on my Dreadnought as space marine as well... those extra 25pts might be worth it and bring back my 2 nice RifleDread in action... if the rumor is true!

OMG... Venerable Psyfleman :-O.

Hitting on 4's with a reroll...

GK just got a massive boost if that's true.

 Wayshuba wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Wayshuba wrote:
To be frank, GW writes some of the worst rules in the market now and yet, they charge like the write the best ones. Then they resort to outright lying now to sell product. We made changes based on feedback from thousands of games? Really, up until this point I never, not once, have heard or read anyone saying - "Ezekiel needs to be able to summon Daemons. Come on, it's in the fluff!!!" or "We need to do away with the FOC and let us field any models we want from any army we want!". No, thousands of gamers didn't give that feedback, only Kirby did.

I think you're mixing "new features introduced to stimulate sales" up with "refinements and improvements of the rules" there.

Both can, and are, happening simultaneously.

While I don't believe the "thousands of games" of feedback for a second, I can believe "5 minutes in the Internet" of feedback, which distils down to the same thing, as long as they've swallowed their pride and admitted, if only privately, that things needed addressing.

Yes, there are some changes - although, personally, I find it debatable that they are improvements. But that is just my opinion and I don't expect everyone to agree.

However, I also personally don't believe for one second this is about improvements to the game or for their customers. I believe GW is now a one trick 40k pony. They were looking at Ork and Necrons coming down the pike, which from other sources accounts for a total of 4% of their sales. They needed something to get all gamers buying stuff. Lots of daemons, expensive psycher models, large expensive model kits, lords of war, and multitude of expensive elite models. They need to up the escalation of the game. I think, when people finally get playing this edition in ernst, that the 40k everyone has known will no longer be the 40k anyone remembers.

But again, this is all just my personal opinion.

The simplest thing they seem to miss is that the carrot is far more effective than the stick. Make a good, fun game and people will spend a lot on it because they're happy and they want to. Make those same people feel obligated to buy stuff just to avoid invalidating what they've already invested and you get the situation we're in.

My fervent hope is that 7th represents the first step in a new direction solicited by January's financials.

I'm prepared to be disappointed.

Well Dreadnoughts were pretty much shelved during 6th ed (even if the psyfleman remained semi-competetive).

Now venerable riflemen are back in service!

 Sir Arun wrote:
Well Dreadnoughts were pretty much shelved during 6th ed (even if the psyfleman remained semi-competetive).

Now venerable riflemen are back in service!

If only the same thing would happen to my Killa Kans and Deff Dreads :( I can still hope the Ork Codex will help.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Well Dreadnoughts were pretty much shelved during 6th ed (even if the psyfleman remained semi-competetive).

Now venerable riflemen are back in service!

If true, love it!

 azreal13 wrote:

 Wayshuba wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Wayshuba wrote:
To be frank, GW writes some of the worst rules in the market now and yet, they charge like the write the best ones. Then they resort to outright lying now to sell product. We made changes based on feedback from thousands of games? Really, up until this point I never, not once, have heard or read anyone saying - "Ezekiel needs to be able to summon Daemons. Come on, it's in the fluff!!!" or "We need to do away with the FOC and let us field any models we want from any army we want!". No, thousands of gamers didn't give that feedback, only Kirby did.

I think you're mixing "new features introduced to stimulate sales" up with "refinements and improvements of the rules" there.

Both can, and are, happening simultaneously.

While I don't believe the "thousands of games" of feedback for a second, I can believe "5 minutes in the Internet" of feedback, which distils down to the same thing, as long as they've swallowed their pride and admitted, if only privately, that things needed addressing.

Yes, there are some changes - although, personally, I find it debatable that they are improvements. But that is just my opinion and I don't expect everyone to agree.

However, I also personally don't believe for one second this is about improvements to the game or for their customers. I believe GW is now a one trick 40k pony. They were looking at Ork and Necrons coming down the pike, which from other sources accounts for a total of 4% of their sales. They needed something to get all gamers buying stuff. Lots of daemons, expensive psycher models, large expensive model kits, lords of war, and multitude of expensive elite models. They need to up the escalation of the game. I think, when people finally get playing this edition in ernst, that the 40k everyone has known will no longer be the 40k anyone remembers.

But again, this is all just my personal opinion.

The simplest thing they seem to miss is that the carrot is far more effective than the stick. Make a good, fun game and people will spend a lot on it because they're happy and they want to. Make those same people feel obligated to buy stuff just to avoid invalidating what they've already invested and you get the situation we're in.

My fervent hope is that 7th represents the first step in a new direction solicited by January's financials.

I'm prepared to be disappointed.

I concur with both of you.

And to own individual who thought me toeing the line of "Rule One" by saying preorders on a product of unknown quality is irrational, all I can say is don't be so easily offended? I worked nerd retail for quite a long time. Nearly all preorders are irrationally based. You're putting down your hard earned money on a product with no validation of quality. Unless your profession is to perform reviews or there is a serious incentive for day one purchase, such as massive discounts or quantifiable bonus such as free models, then it's a pure consumer reactionary force. It's definitively irrational.

I am not saying I'm above irrational consumerism. I have preordered Painting Buddha Seasons 1.2 & 1.3, a dragon from creature caster, and the Witcher III. These could all be terrible products, but given the track record of each entity,I wish to support them in their endeavors. Each have offered a unique incentive to do so, as well. Each have also provided a quality product in the past with outstanding customer service and support for their products.

Games Workshop, in the other hand, is providing no incentive and a $10 price increase. Their track record on rules for the past six months has been terrible, at the very least in terms of business sense taking away any opinion on the qualitative. Preorders for 7E based on this would be irrational as I see it. You have $85 dollars to lose if it turns out to be a hot mess, but what do you really gain by buying the product day one? Being a part of the zeitgeist? I guess that could have some measurable bonus...?

Please also understand that having or observing irrational behaviors is very different from insulting someone. I can do something very stupid based on ignorance, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm stupid. We live and learn, so to speak.

For reference on such topics, I suggest "Influence" by Cialdini and "The Power of Persuasion: How Were Bought And Sold" by Levine.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Well Dreadnoughts were pretty much shelved during 6th ed (even if the psyfleman remained semi-competetive).

Now venerable riflemen are back in service!

What did I miss?! I love dreds but they suck to hard most games, why are they going to be good again?!

IMO, a lot of the driving force behind pre-orders, with a definite emphasis in this hobby, is all down to worshipping at the church of "First"

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Well Dreadnoughts were pretty much shelved during 6th ed (even if the psyfleman remained semi-competetive).

Now venerable riflemen are back in service!

What did I miss?! I love dreds but they suck to hard most games, why are they going to be good again?!

If not just snapshots during overwatch, but hard to hit flyer snapshots also get modified from BS1 to BS-2, then BS5 venerable dreads with "crappy" multishot weapons like the Assault Cannon or Autocannon will be viable again and you dont have to take an ADL with Quadgun or Hunter/Stalker to combat flyers as these babies will be shooting at BS3 (+ twin-link if they wield dual autocannons)

I feel like eldar exarchs might become slightly useful for once.

 azreal13 wrote:
IMO, a lot of the driving force behind pre-orders, with a definite emphasis in this hobby, is all down to worshipping at the church of "First"

Indeed, I used to do it for computer games but often felt foolish as if it was a drug I required with out even wanting, I just needed to know I had it. Ill be awaiting reviews as I have for some times for most gaming products.
If they'd had sense they would have offered up the free sm cpt when you pre-ordered 7th ed. as of now I don't see them shifting a lot of copies straight off the bat.

 Sir Arun wrote:

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Well Dreadnoughts were pretty much shelved during 6th ed (even if the psyfleman remained semi-competetive).

Now venerable riflemen are back in service!

What did I miss?! I love dreds but they suck to hard most games, why are they going to be good again?!

If not just snapshots during overwatch, but hard to hit flyer snapshots also get modified from BS1 to BS-2, then BS5 venerable dreads with "crappy" multishot weapons like the Assault Cannon or Autocannon will be viable again and you dont have to take an ADL with Quadgun or Hunter/Stalker to combat flyers as these babies will be shooting at BS3 (+ twin-link if they wield dual autocannons)

hmm thanks I didn't realise snap shots change was confirmed!! Sounds good if it is.

 azreal13 wrote:
IMO, a lot of the driving force behind pre-orders, with a definite emphasis in this hobby, is all down to worshipping at the church of "First"

Ye Olde Zeitgeist. I have many a video game because of it. I have now subscribed to the "CAG" way save for a few titles I know I will pop in day one to enjoy. I'm changing my ways and my habits to be less prone to them. Not perfect in the least, but understanding and seeing it, even while falling prey to it, is a start.

I doubt 7E will be a panacea for Dread fans, unless it's Dreadknights. He lowly walker hasn't been good... Ever? From my limited understanding of the span of previous editions, they've always fallen short of their fluff brethren.

The -2BS snapshot is a pretty big IF. I dunno I'd hold my breath for that one. Lots of salt required.

Just in case peeps havent noticed. For brits....

New rulebook £50
Munitorum Edition £200
Visions of the Dark Millenium £45 (if i rememeber correctly)
Tactical objectives £5 (same as above)

Really looking forward to this and not a major price hike and with the quality of recent books cant wait to read through the background and stuff and ofcourse the new rules just sound interesting.

Just a note about the ezekial thing while it possible that he may be able to summon daemons he most likely wont as it seemed that WD team.where doing there usual random things for fun. cant blame them I let my friemd.use his pysker kroot shaman he convertef up after a reading a deathwatch short story its fun to have random stuff.

Liking the look of daemonolgy now that i know only lvl 3 psykers or above will to summon decent daemons it looks cool and yeh and there perils on any double when using "bad psyker" powers.

Only a week a bit left Viva La Revolution!!

Dark Eldar Reaver Jetbikes..... 4+ jink, 3+ with skilled rider, 2+ moving flat-out, just bladevaning and caltroping all game.

mercury14 wrote:
Dark Eldar Reaver Jetbikes..... 4+ jink, 3+ with skilled rider, 2+ moving flat-out, just bladevaning and caltroping all game.

And Scars won't be too bad either (not at all)... or Black Knights (which also just became pretty good at anti-flyer work too if -2 BS snapshot is in).

katana100 wrote:
Just in case peeps havent noticed. For brits....

New rulebook £50
Munitorum Edition £200
Visions of the Dark Millenium £45 (if i rememeber correctly)
Tactical objectives £5 (same as above)

Really looking forward to this and not a major price hike and with the quality of recent books cant wait to read through the background and stuff and ofcourse the new rules just sound interesting.

Just a note about the ezekial thing while it possible that he may be able to summon daemons he most likely wont as it seemed that WD team.where doing there usual random things for fun. cant blame them I let my friemd.use his pysker kroot shaman he convertef up after a reading a deathwatch short story its fun to have random stuff.

Liking the look of daemonolgy now that i know only lvl 3 psykers or above will to summon decent daemons it looks cool and yeh and there perils on any double when using "bad psyker" powers.

Only a week a bit left Viva La Revolution!!

yeah i'm kind of hoping they hurray up with up dating Dark Vengeance, is there any word on this?
Id like a mini rule book, that said ive bought all the other ed rules it would kinda be a shame to depart from that we will have to see how flush I feel at the time.

mercury14 wrote:
Dark Eldar Reaver Jetbikes..... 4+ jink, 3+ with skilled rider, 2+ moving flat-out, just bladevaning and caltroping all game.

But my company commander can just order everyone to ignore the blazing speed of your jetbikes, and shoot you as if you were sitting still. That order just makes no sense from a fluff perspective when used in game hahaha.

mercury14 wrote:
Dark Eldar Reaver Jetbikes..... 4+ jink, 3+ with skilled rider, 2+ moving flat-out, just bladevaning and caltroping all game.

Gross. Fluffy... But gross.

I sincerely hope they have recognized rerollable 2+ saves and corrected for it.

 rabidguineapig wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
Dark Eldar Reaver Jetbikes..... 4+ jink, 3+ with skilled rider, 2+ moving flat-out, just bladevaning and caltroping all game.

But my company commander can just order everyone to ignore the blazing speed of your jetbikes, and shoot you as if you were sitting still. That order just makes no sense from a fluff perspective when used in game hahaha.

We did have a rumor that ignore cover might just being -2. If true, probably balances well.

 rabidguineapig wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
Dark Eldar Reaver Jetbikes..... 4+ jink, 3+ with skilled rider, 2+ moving flat-out, just bladevaning and caltroping all game.

But my company commander can just order everyone to ignore the blazing speed of your jetbikes, and shoot you as if you were sitting still. That order just makes no sense from a fluff perspective when used in game hahaha.

Or your Wyvern Mortars.

Lobukia wrote:

 rabidguineapig wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
Dark Eldar Reaver Jetbikes..... 4+ jink, 3+ with skilled rider, 2+ moving flat-out, just bladevaning and caltroping all game.

But my company commander can just order everyone to ignore the blazing speed of your jetbikes, and shoot you as if you were sitting still. That order just makes no sense from a fluff perspective when used in game hahaha.

We did have a rumor that ignore cover might just being -2. If true, probably balances well.

That would be ideal, ignores cover is ridiculous right now.

TheKbob wrote:

 rabidguineapig wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
Dark Eldar Reaver Jetbikes..... 4+ jink, 3+ with skilled rider, 2+ moving flat-out, just bladevaning and caltroping all game.

But my company commander can just order everyone to ignore the blazing speed of your jetbikes, and shoot you as if you were sitting still. That order just makes no sense from a fluff perspective when used in game hahaha.

Or your Wyvern Mortars.

I seriously love them so much, and no one believed in the mathhammer when the dex was released! The only complaint is that if you really play out the blasts with exact RAW you can end up needing a whole stack of blast markers if you keep rolling direct hits because you can place those over any blast marker previously used in the sequence. For the sake of not extending my already long 2 v 2 games I've been ignoring that.

 TheKbob wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
IMO, a lot of the driving force behind pre-orders, with a definite emphasis in this hobby, is all down to worshipping at the church of "First"

Ye Olde Zeitgeist. I have many a video game because of it. I have now subscribed to the "CAG" way save for a few titles I know I will pop in day one to enjoy. I'm changing my ways and my habits to be less prone to them. Not perfect in the least, but understanding and seeing it, even while falling prey to it, is a start.

I doubt 7E will be a panacea for Dread fans, unless it's Dreadknights. He lowly walker hasn't been good... Ever? From my limited understanding of the span of previous editions, they've always fallen short of their fluff brethren.

They worked quite well in fifth, I believe. Most vehicles did.

I'm mostly digging the changes, but there is still lots left unresolved that worries me.

-The leaked pages talk a lot about daemonology, but makes no mention of re-working the existing disciplines. So Divination combined with the (rumored) improved snapshots can make things...silly.

-So far, the magic phase tells us there is no distinction between a top-level pysker and a cheapo one except the nmber of charges they bring. Got Ahriman with Ld 10 and ML 4 but rolled a 1? Too bad, my Ld 8 Warlock rolled a 6, so i have two more warp charges tan you for 1/5th of the cost,and they cast spells the same!

-Wounds spilling from won challenges is a good thing, but I really wish we knew more about further CC changes, if any,