40k 7th Edition release 24th may - All info in 1st post, psychic power cards added (5/21)

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**Vector Strike**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
Vector Strike wrote:
Well, as the army trying to DtW don't get the same number of dice of its enemy (only the d6), I'm better off getting psyker allies...

Shingen wrote:
In an unbound list do allies follow the force org or could I take say 3 jetseers in my DE army?

You cannot take allies for an unbound army, nor fortifications or lords of war. Only formations

Yeah but seeing that you can take anything from any book you can ally with in an Unbound army, with no restrictions of the FoC...

Read the sidebox about Formations:
"Unlike other Detachments, Formations can also be taken as part of unbound Armies." Allies, Lords of War and Fortifications are Detachments, and this line tells us we cannot use them with an Unbound army.

**Squidbot**

Oh good, something else bad for CC armies.....

**Ian Sturrock**

d3 Victory points for *anything* is dreadful.

Unless you're working for the Ruinous Powers, you should have pretty clear orders as to the most important objectives for your force to achieve.

**xttz**

Vector Strike wrote:

Read the sidebox about Formations:
"Unlike other Detachments, Formations can also be taken as part of unbound Armies." Allies, Lords of War and Fortifications are Detachments, and this line tells us we cannot use them with an Unbound army.

Lords of War and Fortifications aren't detachments anymore, they're part of the regular 'Combined Arms' FOC.

Also there was a White Dwarf scan a few pages ago that specifically says you can mix & match units across different codexes in the same unbound army.

**Barrogh**

Ian Sturrock wrote:
d3 Victory points for *anything* is dreadful.

Unless you're working for the Ruinous Powers, you should have pretty clear orders as to the most important objectives for your force to achieve.

Rolling some d6 to see if you can roll d6 to determine the amount of d6 you can roll so you can roll some more d6 to add d3 rolls so you can finally roll more d6. Repeat if your first d6 roll is successful.

Basically, 40k these days, and you get one more d6 to roll every edition, so working as expected

**Protoman2k**

I wonder how psychic movement powers (like Wings of Sanguinius) will work if the phase is after movement. Here's hoping for move 6", psychic phase move 12" (like jump pack). If that's the case I might have a reason to take Mephiston more.

**gozer il gozeriano**

Ian Sturrock wrote:
d3 Victory points for *anything* is dreadful.

Unless you're working for the Ruinous Powers, you should have pretty clear orders as to the most important objectives for your force to achieve.

I totally agree

**Samurai_Eduh**

Hmmm...looks like the defender in the psychic phase gets to add his own mastery levels to his pool. I like it.

**Vector Strike**

xttz wrote:
Vector Strike wrote:

Read the sidebox about Formations:
"Unlike other Detachments, Formations can also be taken as part of unbound Armies." Allies, Lords of War and Fortifications are Detachments, and this line tells us we cannot use them with an Unbound army.

Lords of War and Fortifications aren't detachments anymore, they're part of the regular 'Combined Arms' FOC.

Also there was a White Dwarf scan a few pages ago that specifically says you can mix & match units across different codexes in the same unbound army.

Uh, I was mistaken about the LoW/Fort then. And the script in WD #15 indeed does speak about more than 1 faction in an Unbound army. Sorry!

**optometris**

pretty sure I read that unbound still follows the allies matrix at least, cant remember which thing it was in though. beginning to think I may begrudgingly ally in Grey knights to my templars if it makes the Psychic phase too unpleasant without your own psyker . At least its the fluffiest option of a psyker to BT.

**Samurai_Eduh**

optometris wrote:
pretty sure I read that unbound still follows the allies matrix at least, cant remember which thing it was in though. beginning to think I may begrudgingly ally in Grey knights to my templars if it makes the Psychic phase too unpleasant without your own psyker . At least its the fluffiest option of a psyker to BT.

It was in one of the first white dwarf leaks. Unbound lists still adhere to the allies matrix and are still restricted by codex imposed unit sizes.

**Vector Strike**

optometris wrote:
pretty sure I read that unbound still follows the allies matrix at least, cant remember which thing it was in though. beginning to think I may begrudgingly ally in Grey knights to my templars if it makes the Psychic phase too unpleasant without your own psyker . At least its the fluffiest option of a psyker to BT.

In WD #15.

UNBOUND ARMIES
If you’re a Warhammer 40,000 player you’ll be familiar with the Force Organisation chart. It’s still there in the new Warhammer 40,000, and if you follow it, our army is referred to as ‘Battle-forged’. A Battle-forged army is a very desirable thing as it gets certain in-game bonuses. But there’s another way to use our miniatures, and that comes in the form of taking an Unbound army. Basically, Unbound armies allow you to take whatever you want from your collection, and throw the Force Organisation chart out of the window (while still adhering to unit sizes and heeding the relationships described by the all-new Allies Matrix).

So what does this mean in practice? Well, let’s take my Black Legion army as an example. I love the thought of a force of rampaging Daemon Engines sent forth by a powerful Warpsmith, so I can now make an army composed entirely of Forgefiends, Heldrakes and Defilers. Similarly, Dan is so excited by the prospect of an Unbound army that he’s going to build an Astra Militarum strikeforce made up of Leman Russ battle tanks. Glenn, meanwhile, is salivating at the prospect of taking a Tau army that uses all his Riptides (last count: four) and lots of Broadsides. The possibilities are endless; the only limit to your games now are the models you have in your collection.
Thrilling stuff.

**mercury14**

If shooting at flyers is just -2 BS then the Crimson Hunter is unplayable.

**Samurai_Eduh**

mercury14 wrote:
If shooting at flyers is just -2 BS then the Crimson Hunter is unplayable.

Most flyers would take a huge nerf I imagine.

**Voodoo_Chile**

Hey guys, someone pointed this out on reddit but does the latest psychic phase video tease a new Space Marine Terminator Captain?

I don't recoqnise the model at all.

EDIT: Not sure if there are issues with imgur and [img] tags, so here a link
http://imgur.com/j8XeAa5

Ignore me, I'm late to the party.

**Vector Strike**

mercury14 wrote:
If shooting at flyers is just -2 BS then the Crimson Hunter is unplayable.

Tau Remoras are made of cardboard as well, but at least they come in squadrons. I feel for the Crimson Hunter, though.

**Squidbot**

Voodoo_Chile wrote:

Spoiler:

Hey guys, someone pointed this out on reddit but does the latest psychic phase video tease a new Space Marine Terminator Captain?

I don't recoqnise the model at all.

EDIT: Not sure if there are issues with imgur and [img] tags, so here a link
http://imgur.com/j8XeAa5

Already in discussion here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/595103.page

**mercury14**

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
mercury14 wrote:
If shooting at flyers is just -2 BS then the Crimson Hunter is unplayable.

Most flyers would take a huge nerf I imagine.

Huge. But a 185-point AV 10 flyer that has no defensive ability and gets hit on a 5+? Wow that's putrid. It's really unspeakably horrible. The Crimson Hunter is in the running for worst 40k unit now.

**Uriels_Flame**

Ha Ha! You have fallen for the Oldest GW Trick in the book.

Make high priced items supa powa ful so little timmy's buy a zillion of them.

Oh wait, 3 mths later - Banhammer! Too powerful, but we made our monies back on those, so...

Stupid is as Stupid does. Well played GW.

**xttz**

mercury14 wrote:
The Crimson Hunter is in the running for worst 40k unit now.

*Ahem* there's a large Pyrovore brood outside which would like a word with you.

**Vector Strike**

xttz wrote:
mercury14 wrote:
The Crimson Hunter is in the running for worst 40k unit now.

*Ahem* there's a large Pyrovore brood outside which would like a word with you.

Tough competition with Mutilators!

**SlyasR**

mercury14 wrote:

Huge. But a 185-point AV 10 flyer that has no defensive ability and gets hit on a 5+? Wow that's putrid. It's really unspeakably horrible. The Crimson Hunter is in the running for worst 40k unit now.

ahem... Chariot of Tzeentch

**pizzaguardian**

Guys look i just found a 500 point gap in my eldar armies. I wonder what used to be in there, 3 crimson hunters maybe?

But god no they suck horribad

**Farseer Faenyin**

I'm even wondering if my Nightwing Interceptors would be able to survive on a 7th Edition table. Before, their speciality was that their Jinking save was awesome...now their rules create a save that isn't even helpful. A 1+ Cover while Jinking? Sure, it may be armor value 11...but only 2 Hull Points.

**mercury14**

Farseer Faenyin wrote:
I'm even wondering if my Nightwing Interceptors would be able to survive on a 7th Edition table. Before, their speciality was that their Jinking save was awesome...now their rules create a save that isn't even helpful. A 1+ Cover while Jinking? Sure, it may be armor value 11...but only 2 Hull Points.

Everything in IA:11 needs an overhaul.|

That being said, Hornets can move flat-out for a 2+ cover save while still snap-firing to hit on a 5+ with pulse lasers. That's *(^#*&awesome.

**legions_no_more**

So Str D is now nerf in 40k and APOC?
1=miss
2-5 invul and save permitted
6=no save ID

does it transfer to APOC games or only used in regular 40k? or do we still use APOC Str D rules in APOC?

**tetrisphreak**

While I'm not saying it's false, the -2 BS for snap fire rumor hasn't been confirmed by white dwarf or 40k radio, so it's validity could be questionable.

I'm hoping some early copies of the rulebook will be in players hands by the middle of next week.

**Brometheus**

Ah, everyone can use multiple Witchfires now... and then still shoot in the shooting phase. Pretty cool for Aspiring Sorcerers, I guess. Doombolt a Rhino, then let the squad dump AP3 bolters into the occupants if you pop it.. Or, Doombolt that Drop Pod for a 2d6" explosion while the squad shoots at some marines in the distance. Lots of options there..

But what does it mean for Ahriman's Black Staff? Being able to shoot 3 Witchfires was good before, now it won't mean anything unless they give us a faq/errata soon after 7th is released. I'm sure they will- they did it with 6th, right? What would be cool is if he can use the *same* one three times.. That would make it so you wouldn't be hunting Witchfires. Once you get one you like, the rest of your generation rolls can be for blessings/etc.

**Byte**

So I wonder if witchfire will have to snap fire after running?

**N.I.B.**

About Shadow in the Warp, what am I missing here? You still have to succeed a Ld test to cast a psychic power before you go on and try to 'manifest' the power by rolling dice from your warp pool. So SitW should still have its usual place.