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Except unless I missed something, nothing we've seen suggests that Ld tests are still in place.


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 Byte wrote:
So I wonder if witchfire will have to snap fire after running?

This will largely depend on if Running has been moved to the movement phase. It looks like the Psychic phase is before shooting, so if you still Run in the shooting phase I'd go with "no, you don't have to snapfire witchfire powers after running".

 N.I.B. wrote:
About Shadow in the Warp, what am I missing here? You still have to succeed a Ld test to cast a psychic power before you go on and try to 'manifest' the power by rolling dice from your warp pool. So SitW should still have its usual place.

Where are you getting the leadership test from? I haven't heard anything about the new system using leadership tests.

 Byte wrote:
So I wonder if witchfire will have to snap fire after running?

Psykers falling back or gone to ground will likely have to fire snapshots.

 Protoman2k wrote:
I wonder how psychic movement powers (like Wings of Sanguinius) will work if the phase is after movement. Here's hoping for move 6", psychic phase move 12" (like jump pack). If that's the case I might have a reason to take Mephiston more.

Well it says that blessings last until your next PP. So you cast wings on your T1 then you use them in your T2 movement phase. Still works, just takes a round. It's definitely a nerf though. Same goes for scriers gaze. You will need to use it starting on T1 in preparation and heaven help if it's possible to cancel effects when you kill the bugger first.

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
I'm even wondering if my Nightwing Interceptors would be able to survive on a 7th Edition table. Before, their speciality was that their Jinking save was awesome...now their rules create a save that isn't even helpful. A 1+ Cover while Jinking? Sure, it may be armor value 11...but only 2 Hull Points.

Tau Barracuda is in the same situation. 11 11 10, 2 HP, +1 to cover if Jink...

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Byte wrote:
So I wonder if witchfire will have to snap fire after running?

Psykers falling back or gone to ground will likely have to fire snapshots.

Also in relation to hard to hit.

 Byte wrote:
So I wonder if witchfire will have to snap fire after running?

The way it is written, it sounds like movement phase, then psyhic, then shooting.

Well barracuda can take d-pods...

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
I'm even wondering if my Nightwing Interceptors would be able to survive on a 7th Edition table. Before, their speciality was that their Jinking save was awesome...now their rules create a save that isn't even helpful. A 1+ Cover while Jinking? Sure, it may be armor value 11...but only 2 Hull Points.

Tau Barracuda is in the same situation. 11 11 10, 2 HP, +1 to cover if Jink...

If jink is a 4+ Then these flyers get a 3+...how is that worse?

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
I'm even wondering if my Nightwing Interceptors would be able to survive on a 7th Edition table. Before, their speciality was that their Jinking save was awesome...now their rules create a save that isn't even helpful. A 1+ Cover while Jinking? Sure, it may be armor value 11...but only 2 Hull Points.

Tau Barracuda is in the same situation. 11 11 10, 2 HP, +1 to cover if Jink...

If jink is a 4+ Then these flyers get a 3+...how is that worse?

Because I thought fliers had evade. I see your point though, seems like they are making the two rules one rather then idiotically having them different as they did in 6th.

Even if I don't like some of the rules, so far I do like that they are at least taking some time in the writing.

I haven't seen anything, but has there been any news with an allies chart change?

mercury14 wrote:
If shooting at flyers is just -2 BS then the Crimson Hunter is unplayable.

Though a Crimson Hunter Exarch could jink every turn for a 4+ save and be hitting targets on a 4+ (if various rumours are true), which isn't bad.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I haven't seen anything, but has there been any news with an allies chart change?

I've read there will be only 3 BBs: Eldar with Dark Eldar, Chaos Daemons with Dhaos Space Marines and between Imperial Forces

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I haven't seen anything, but has there been any news with an allies chart change?

I've read there will be only 3 BBs: Eldar with Dark Eldar, Chaos Daemons with Dhaos Space Marines and between Imperial Forces

Goddammit, I wanted to gue'vessa .

So it could just be me but where exactly is this confirmation that 6's ignore invulns, because if it's the line I'm thinking of it doesn't say that at all, reads more like 'good luck passing 7-12 saves on each model' to me.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I haven't seen anything, but has there been any news with an allies chart change?

I've read there will be only 3 BBs: Eldar with Dark Eldar, Chaos Daemons with Dhaos Space Marines and between Imperial Forces

Goddammit, I wanted to gue'vessa .

Shas'la, Gue'vessa are useful tools, but they will never truely be one of us. Allies of convinience is the right place for them.

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I haven't seen anything, but has there been any news with an allies chart change?

I've read there will be only 3 BBs: Eldar with Dark Eldar, Chaos Daemons with Dhaos Space Marines and between Imperial Forces

That will be sad news for Traitor Guard (or is it Astra Traitor or Traitor Militarum now?) armies.

Why? Since they'll still be Allies of Convinience like they are now.

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
So it could just be me but where exactly is this confirmation that 6's ignore invulns, because if it's the line I'm thinking of it doesn't say that at all, reads more like 'good luck passing 7-12 saves on each model' to me.

If you're talking about D weapons, it's because a 6 destroys the model, not gives X wounds. You can't save vs destroy.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
So it could just be me but where exactly is this confirmation that 6's ignore invulns, because if it's the line I'm thinking of it doesn't say that at all, reads more like 'good luck passing 7-12 saves on each model' to me.

If you're talking about D weapons, it's because a 6 destroys the model, not gives X wounds. You can't save vs destroy.

You're thinking of stomp attacks, D weapons do D6+6 wounds on a 6 (unless you're a vehicle in which case it's explodes, or D6+6 HP for SH's). Unless there's another change I've somehow missed too.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
I'm even wondering if my Nightwing Interceptors would be able to survive on a 7th Edition table. Before, their speciality was that their Jinking save was awesome...now their rules create a save that isn't even helpful. A 1+ Cover while Jinking? Sure, it may be armor value 11...but only 2 Hull Points.

Tau Barracuda is in the same situation. 11 11 10, 2 HP, +1 to cover if Jink...

If jink is a 4+ Then these flyers get a 3+...how is that worse?

In my example it isn't worse, simply redundant since the Nightwing comes with 'Shrouded'.

Old Rules while Jinking: 5+ Jink, 3+ with Shrouded, 2+ with Agile.
New Rules while Jinking: 4+ Jink, 2+ Shrouded, 1+ with Agile.

So paying for Agile with no benefit.

Not a huge deal, but if flyers are getting hit hard to begin with....those little smaller nerfs will add up quick.

Khaine willing, they hit FMCs as hard as they hit flyers.

A 6 rolled for a destroyer weapon causes 6+d6 wounds. You could save against that just fine, except the rules state that you can't.

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
So it could just be me but where exactly is this confirmation that 6's ignore invulns, because if it's the line I'm thinking of it doesn't say that at all, reads more like 'good luck passing 7-12 saves on each model' to me.

If you're talking about D weapons, it's because a 6 destroys the model, not gives X wounds. You can't save vs destroy.

You're thinking of stomp attacks, D weapons do D6+6 wounds on a 6 (unless you're a vehicle in which case it's explodes, or D6+6 HP for SH's). Unless there's another change I've somehow missed too.

No, if you read through the thread D weapons are 1: Nothing, 2-5: wounds that ignore cover, 6: destroy.

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
I'm even wondering if my Nightwing Interceptors would be able to survive on a 7th Edition table. Before, their speciality was that their Jinking save was awesome...now their rules create a save that isn't even helpful. A 1+ Cover while Jinking? Sure, it may be armor value 11...but only 2 Hull Points.

Tau Barracuda is in the same situation. 11 11 10, 2 HP, +1 to cover if Jink...

If jink is a 4+ Then these flyers get a 3+...how is that worse?

In my example it isn't worse, simply redundant since the Nightwing comes with 'Shrouded'.

Old Rules while Jinking: 5+ Jink, 3+ with Shrouded, 2+ with Agile.
New Rules while Jinking: 4+ Jink, 2+ Shrouded, 1+ with Agile.

So paying for Agile with no benefit.

Not a huge deal, but if flyers are getting hit hard to begin with....those little smaller nerfs will add up quick.

Khaine willing, they hit FMCs as hard as they hit flyers.

FMC got buffed. 1 Grounding test taken at the end.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
So it could just be me but where exactly is this confirmation that 6's ignore invulns, because if it's the line I'm thinking of it doesn't say that at all, reads more like 'good luck passing 7-12 saves on each model' to me.

If you're talking about D weapons, it's because a 6 destroys the model, not gives X wounds. You can't save vs destroy.

You're thinking of stomp attacks, D weapons do D6+6 wounds on a 6 (unless you're a vehicle in which case it's explodes, or D6+6 HP for SH's). Unless there's another change I've somehow missed too.

No, if you read through the thread D weapons are 1: Nothing, 2-5: wounds that ignore cover, 6: destroy.

He's talking about apoc. D weps.

rigeld2 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
So it could just be me but where exactly is this confirmation that 6's ignore invulns, because if it's the line I'm thinking of it doesn't say that at all, reads more like 'good luck passing 7-12 saves on each model' to me.

If you're talking about D weapons, it's because a 6 destroys the model, not gives X wounds. You can't save vs destroy.

You're thinking of stomp attacks, D weapons do D6+6 wounds on a 6 (unless you're a vehicle in which case it's explodes, or D6+6 HP for SH's). Unless there's another change I've somehow missed too.

No, if you read through the thread D weapons are 1: Nothing, 2-5: wounds that ignore cover, 6: destroy.

Are you talking about a page of 7th edition I've missed because I've got the APOCALYPSE book on my knee right now and it says D6+6 wounds, the ignores all saves is contained within the destroyer rule. I was just trying to ascertain where the talk of 7th edition D weapons ignoring invulns on a 6 was coming from, mostly cause I tend to use my daemons in apoc.

Edited for the sake of my own sanity

 Sasori wrote:

Spoiler:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
I'm even wondering if my Nightwing Interceptors would be able to survive on a 7th Edition table. Before, their speciality was that their Jinking save was awesome...now their rules create a save that isn't even helpful. A 1+ Cover while Jinking? Sure, it may be armor value 11...but only 2 Hull Points.

Tau Barracuda is in the same situation. 11 11 10, 2 HP, +1 to cover if Jink...

If jink is a 4+ Then these flyers get a 3+...how is that worse?

In my example it isn't worse, simply redundant since the Nightwing comes with 'Shrouded'.

Old Rules while Jinking: 5+ Jink, 3+ with Shrouded, 2+ with Agile.
New Rules while Jinking: 4+ Jink, 2+ Shrouded, 1+ with Agile.

So paying for Agile with no benefit.

Not a huge deal, but if flyers are getting hit hard to begin with....those little smaller nerfs will add up quick.

Khaine willing, they hit FMCs as hard as they hit flyers.

FMC got buffed. 1 Grounding test taken at the end.

Yeah, that I saw. Which is a buff. But if the snap-shot rules are being 'loosened' I guess it would be somewhat of a nerf. But them being able to declare cover by having 1mm in terrain will be mental if they leave that as it is.

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

Are you talking about a page of 7th edition I've missed because I've got the book on my knee right now

I'm just going to assume that this is a typo.

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
So it could just be me but where exactly is this confirmation that 6's ignore invulns, because if it's the line I'm thinking of it doesn't say that at all, reads more like 'good luck passing 7-12 saves on each model' to me.

If you're talking about D weapons, it's because a 6 destroys the model, not gives X wounds. You can't save vs destroy.

You're thinking of stomp attacks, D weapons do D6+6 wounds on a 6 (unless you're a vehicle in which case it's explodes, or D6+6 HP for SH's). Unless there's another change I've somehow missed too.

No, if you read through the thread D weapons are 1: Nothing, 2-5: wounds that ignore cover, 6: destroy.

Are you talking about a page of 7th edition I've missed because I've got the book on my knee right now and it says D6+6 wounds, the ignores all saves is contained within the destroyer rule. I was just trying to ascertain where the talk of 7th edition D weapons ignoring invulns on a 6 was coming from, mostly cause I tend to use my daemons in apoc.

I'm certain I've read in this thread that D weapons were changed to what I said.
Which is why people are saying they ignore invuls on a 6.

I'm not going to search through the thread to find it.

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

Are you talking about a page of 7th edition I've missed because I've got the book on my knee right now

Shenanigans.