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I suspect summoned daemons will be held akin to any allies relationships they have on the chart, so bringing in a unit can cause them to roll on the "one eye open" rule as well as suffer any scoring penalties for not being buddies (if any such penalties still exist)

Further, the bigger picture here is that all armies are BB with their own faction - we have seen the army list page that says you may take as many detachments in a battle forged army as you like.

Think for a second -- 2x hive tyrant, 2x gaunt units, then ally detachments of 1 tyrant and 1 gaunt unit until your points are full. Bam! Battle forged.

Unbound will be accepted because in the end it will be no worse than legal battle forged forces.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I suspect summoned daemons will be held akin to any allies relationships they have on the chart, so bringing in a unit can cause them to roll on the "one eye open" rule as well as suffer any scoring penalties for not being buddies (if any such penalties still exist)

What of come the apocalypse? is it still just one eye open and not scoring or is there more to it?

P.S thank you for sharing!!

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Sooo....
I'll just leave this here...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qfvil208tnafkqi/Photo%20May%2020%2C%204%2031%2002%20PM.jpg

Whoa! So the only battle brothers are: all imperials with one another, eldar with dark eldar, and chaos daemons with chaos space marines... thank goodness.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:


My SoB are now AoC with my Eldar army...

All human women like elf men, its a rule

And sadly, all elf men like human men.

It's a very unfortunate situation, except for around ten percent of people.

Really, two pages and nobody did this?



Tsk, shame on you!

Wilson wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I suspect summoned daemons will be held akin to any allies relationships they have on the chart, so bringing in a unit can cause them to roll on the "one eye open" rule as well as suffer any scoring penalties for not being buddies (if any such penalties still exist)

What of come the apocalypse? is it still just one eye open and not scoring or is there more to it?

P.S thank you for sharing!!

Come the apocalypse cannot deploy within 12" of each other. Once the game has started they treat each other as desperate allies. What that fully entails hasn't been spoilered yet.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:


My SoB are now AoC with my Eldar army...

All human women like elf men, its a rule

And sadly, all elf men like human men.

It's a very unfortunate situation, except for around ten percent of people.

All aliens have the right to love whoever they choose- regardless of gender! be it space frogs, humans or physic flying polar bears!

No real new info on the rules, but still fitting to the threads topic:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/05/40k-7th-edition-38page-beefy-preview.html

Thankfully I'm fluent in subtext, allow me to translate: "faq's are not coming, fix this crap yourself"


"in a game of the size and complexity of warhammer 40,000, there are bound to be occasions where a situation is not covered by the rules, or you can't seem to find the right page."

Those are two incredibly different things. The first being your fault (GW), the second being the moron who can't be bothered to look up rules... in a book with rules. I'm also a bit confused, they just admitted it was a game, I thought it was a "shared experience"?

"Even if you know the rule, sometimes it is just a really close call, and player's don't agree on the precise outcome."

Even though you know the rule your opponent may not, that or we really screwed up when we wrote the rule, that's ok though, we can still blame the players like we always do. Abdicating responsibility was the hardest class in b school.

"Nobody wants to waste valuable gaming time arguing"

Agreed, if only there was someone we could pay to fix these problems...


"so be prepared to interpret a rule or come up with a suitable solution for yourselves."

You're alone on this one guys, we already got your money. - GW


"If you find that you and your opponent cannot agree on the application of a rule, roll a dice to see whose interpretation will apply of the remainder of the game"

There's no errata or faq coming, you're both screwed, but on the plus side you don't have to call the other person involved in your "shared experience" a partner, you can still call him an opponent, Although that may infer you might be in competition for who wins... this...shared...experience. NARRATIVE!

 Crablezworth wrote:
Thankfully I'm fluent in subtext, allow me to translate: "faq's are not coming, fix this crap yourself

It couldnt simply be that they include this in every edition, it must be an underhanded plot to screw us over

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I suspect summoned daemons will be held akin to any allies relationships they have on the chart, so bringing in a unit can cause them to roll on the "one eye open" rule as well as suffer any scoring penalties for not being buddies (if any such penalties still exist)

Further, the bigger picture here is that all armies are BB with their own faction - we have seen the army list page that says you may take as many detachments in a battle forged army as you like.

Think for a second -- 2x hive tyrant, 2x gaunt units, then ally detachments of 1 tyrant and 1 gaunt unit until your points are full. Bam! Battle forged.

Unbound will be accepted because in the end it will be no worse than legal battle forged forces.

Not so fast there sparky....

The Allied Detachment FOC specifically states it must be from a different faction. Further, while you can take multiple detachments, we don't know if you can take multiple allied detachments, or multiple combined armes detachments....

 azreal13 wrote:
Really, two pages and nobody did this?

Spoiler:

Tsk, shame on you!

Beat me too it!

That's what I get for playing video games instead of obsessively refreshing the page I suppose.

A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
So Tau are now allies of convenience with Necrons, who massacred them in pretty much every encounter, but not with any Imperial armies?

Great narrative right there GW.

Old crons did. New crons will work with other. No problem with them being allies of convenience.

Except on every encounter with Necrons the Tau have been slaughtered. They have never fought together. The closest it has ever come is a Necron army saving a Tau sept from Tyranids. The Necrons then massacred the entire population of the sept world anyway. That story is from the 6th Ed. Tau codex, so is newcron fluff.

That is not allies of convenience.

Allies of convenience is more akin to Space Marines and Tau. They both have a sense of honour and respect for the others abilities and, if a greater threat arose, could work together to defeat it. They wouldn't ever be friends but they can play nice as long as it is convenient.

I agree. I was expecting something else. Tau Codex (and Farsight Enclaves) show many interations with the Imperium. I'd exchange the alliance level between Necrons and Armies of the Imperium.
But I agree there wasn't much sense with Tau BBs.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
Thankfully I'm fluent in subtext, allow me to translate: "faq's are not coming, fix this crap yourself

It couldnt simply be that they include this in every edition, it must be an underhanded plot to screw us over

Past evidence says that yes, this is their excuse for not making the tough calls in fine tuning their system.

coredump wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I suspect summoned daemons will be held akin to any allies relationships they have on the chart, so bringing in a unit can cause them to roll on the "one eye open" rule as well as suffer any scoring penalties for not being buddies (if any such penalties still exist)

Further, the bigger picture here is that all armies are BB with their own faction - we have seen the army list page that says you may take as many detachments in a battle forged army as you like.

Think for a second -- 2x hive tyrant, 2x gaunt units, then ally detachments of 1 tyrant and 1 gaunt unit until your points are full. Bam! Battle forged.

Unbound will be accepted because in the end it will be no worse than legal battle forged forces.

Not so fast there sparky....

The Allied Detachment FOC specifically states it must be from a different faction. Further, while you can take multiple detachments, we don't know if you can take multiple allied detachments, or multiple combined armes detachments....

Is there any rule regarding supplements? Should I treat Farsight Enclaves as Tau faction, adding a normal Detachment instead of the Allies' one?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
Thankfully I'm fluent in subtext, allow me to translate: "faq's are not coming, fix this crap yourself

It couldnt simply be that they include this in every edition, it must be an underhanded plot to screw us over

And it's a copy paste from the last crappy edition. What this should read, if they were intending to specifically increase my confidence in the direction of the game (something they should do) would have been to say sometehing hopeful like "hey, e-mail us the issue and we'll faq or errata the problem". That's more confidence inspiring than this crap.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

 Vector Strike wrote:

coredump wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I suspect summoned daemons will be held akin to any allies relationships they have on the chart, so bringing in a unit can cause them to roll on the "one eye open" rule as well as suffer any scoring penalties for not being buddies (if any such penalties still exist)

Further, the bigger picture here is that all armies are BB with their own faction - we have seen the army list page that says you may take as many detachments in a battle forged army as you like.

Think for a second -- 2x hive tyrant, 2x gaunt units, then ally detachments of 1 tyrant and 1 gaunt unit until your points are full. Bam! Battle forged.

Unbound will be accepted because in the end it will be no worse than legal battle forged forces.

Not so fast there sparky....

The Allied Detachment FOC specifically states it must be from a different faction. Further, while you can take multiple detachments, we don't know if you can take multiple allied detachments, or multiple combined armes detachments....

Is there any rule regarding supplements? Should I treat Farsight Enclaves as Tau faction, adding a normal Detachment instead of the Allies' one?

It's explained in the bottom right corner of the leaked image.

Great, so that new allies chart means that I can't ally guard to my Chaos Marines to get a Valkyrie transport?!

Great, now I have a Valkyrie sitting in a box unopened that I can't use...

So now, you can't ally with an expansion from the same faction?

Goodbye 4-5 Riptide and 4 Drake lists.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Great, so that new allies chart means that I can't ally guard to my Chaos Marines to get a Valkyrie transport?!

Great, now I have a Valkyrie sitting in a box unopened that I can't use...

so go to a GW and exchange it for something you can use!

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
That's pretty grim in terms of sales then. Possibly only 1000 sold?

Yeah they only made £200,000 from about £100 worth of paper and carboard, sounds really grim :(

Indeed, but these collectors editions (of larger runs) used to sell out in hours rather than days or weeks, so there are a lot less buyers.

That's the only way they are going to listen.

Truth!

Puscifer wrote:
So now, you can't ally with an expansion from the same faction?

Goodbye 4-5 Riptide and 4 Drake lists.

Yes you can, its in the bottom right corner of the page for allies regarding supplements.

Puscifer wrote:
So now, you can't ally with an expansion from the same faction?

Goodbye 4-5 Riptide and 4 Drake lists.

But it's possible that you may be able to add additional 'detachments' to your army from the same Codex based on how the detachment rules that were leaked were worded.

buddha wrote:It's explained in the bottom right corner of the leaked image.

Oh. Forgive my lack of attention. Thanks for pointing that anyway.

PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:Great, so that new allies chart means that I can't ally guard to my Chaos Marines to get a Valkyrie transport?!

Great, now I have a Valkyrie sitting in a box unopened that I can't use...

You can still ally with Guard - but you'll have to deploy 12" from them. However, even with the old table you wouldn't be able to put CSM inside a Valkyrie

coredump wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I suspect summoned daemons will be held akin to any allies relationships they have on the chart, so bringing in a unit can cause them to roll on the "one eye open" rule as well as suffer any scoring penalties for not being buddies (if any such penalties still exist)

Further, the bigger picture here is that all armies are BB with their own faction - we have seen the army list page that says you may take as many detachments in a battle forged army as you like.

Think for a second -- 2x hive tyrant, 2x gaunt units, then ally detachments of 1 tyrant and 1 gaunt unit until your points are full. Bam! Battle forged.

Unbound will be accepted because in the end it will be no worse than legal battle forged forces.

Not so fast there sparky....

The Allied Detachment FOC specifically states it must be from a different faction. Further, while you can take multiple detachments, we don't know if you can take multiple allied detachments, or multiple combined armes detachments....

Ok, if that is the case then take multiple combined arms and still spam flyrants. I'm just saying that if the rules work out that way, there would be NO justification to ban unbound forces.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Really, two pages and nobody did this?

Spoiler:

Tsk, shame on you!

Beat me too it!

That's what I get for playing video games instead of obsessively refreshing the page I suppose.

Lol, I've been painting and watching TV.

You Yanks just don't have the innate good timing of the British is all!

Tell you what, when it gets reported to Photobucket tomorrow and taken down, you can out up the next version.

Might have already been gone over but the snippet of text at the top of that ally chart "But these are the end times, and the apocalypse is upon us". Whilst the End times has been referenced by alot of codex's (phoenix lord dying, primarchs return) its never explicitly said to be NOW has it? So that could be indicative of story progression.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:


Except on every encounter with Necrons the Tau have been slaughtered.

There is only two fluff-recorded encounter between the Tau and the Necrons, as far as I'm aware.

 Squidbot wrote:
I vote Tau/Necron lists be named NecTie.
Other than that bizarre anomaly, I like the chart.

I call mine "Trons".

I agree, the allies chart looks great.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:


Except on every encounter with Necrons the Tau have been slaughtered.

There is only a single fluff-recorded encounter between the Tau and the Necrons, as far as I'm aware.

And how did it end?