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TimmyIsChaos wrote:
So now I can run Cypher in a Dark Angels list, right? Makes sense.

Unbound- still feels unlikely since his rules say- any other chapter except Dark Angels or their successors.

 jackblg wrote:

Davor wrote:

 jackblg wrote:
Iam liking all this, dont see why everyones so hating on it.. Ah well must just be me...

Lets forge a Narrative. The USA allies with the Taliban to go against the British. This makes sense?

No that dosnt make sence. I never thought eldar should be bb with tau and yet 6th ed they are. 7th there now not. It could just be me, guess i should go ask my local gaming club about it see if they can enlighten me..

Actually, Eldrad himself said that the Tau will rise and eventually be the race that puts an end to Chaos. Therefore Eldar feel they have a duty to protect the Tau and work together as they could release them from the clutches of Slaanesh, Tau are willing to ally with any race and make frequent attempts to do so, so having the two of them as Battle Brothers made some sort of sense from a fluff perspective. Compare that to the likes of now (Chaos & Necrons) and you'll find that the fluff contradicts with the design GW is trying to implement.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Two things:

I swear a vein popped in my forehead when I read what you were replying to hahaha, And yeah, pretty much what I was thinking wrt your answer for my questions.

 Leth wrote:
"What the feth is GW thinking, this is an obvious money grab by offering these cards that are just going to ruin the game. Seriously how much of an idiot is GW. Making people buy more than just the overpriced piece of crap that is the rulebook just to play the game is bs. God just further proof they hate the tyranids. Seriously I cant believe anyone who is not legally slowed could enjoy this game" - Hate and yes typing as an indirect insult is still an insult dont even try to pretend otherwise.

Source? Looks like hyperbole to me.

Why are people saying jump units get jink? Where's the evidence of that?

I think Fluff/Design should be better left out of the overall conversation.

At this point, fluff does nothing but drive the divide even wider from what the design team is putting out (unless it's in a codex, where all bets are off).

Cash cow currently is the HH, where they don't tend to "re-write" history.

It almost seems they are forcing those who want to yearn for yesteryear to Forgeworld to pay/play 30k vs. the current system.

 GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

 jackblg wrote:

Davor wrote:

 jackblg wrote:
Iam liking all this, dont see why everyones so hating on it.. Ah well must just be me...

Lets forge a Narrative. The USA allies with the Taliban to go against the British. This makes sense?

No that dosnt make sence. I never thought eldar should be bb with tau and yet 6th ed they are. 7th there now not. It could just be me, guess i should go ask my local gaming club about it see if they can enlighten me..

Actually, Eldrad himself said that the Tau will rise and eventually be the race that puts an end to Chaos. Therefore Eldar feel they have a duty to protect the Tau and work together as they could release them from the clutches of Slaanesh, Tau are willing to ally with any race and make frequent attempts to do so, so having the two of them as Battle Brothers made some sort of sense from a fluff perspective. Compare that to the likes of now (Chaos & Necrons) and you'll find that the fluff contradicts with the design GW is trying to implement.

AH now I understand. Thank You so much.

 Yonan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Two things:

I swear a vein popped in my forehead when I read what you were replying to hahaha, And yeah, pretty much what I was thinking wrt your answer for my questions.

 Leth wrote:
"What the feth is GW thinking, this is an obvious money grab by offering these cards that are just going to ruin the game. Seriously how much of an idiot is GW. Making people buy more than just the overpriced piece of crap that is the rulebook just to play the game is bs. God just further proof they hate the tyranids. Seriously I cant believe anyone who is not legally slowed could enjoy this game" - Hate and yes typing as an indirect insult is still an insult dont even try to pretend otherwise.

Source? Looks like hyperbole to me.

I have been reading this page since the beginning, you will find plenty of evidence of each type throughout the entire thread I just limited to an example of the types of things that pop up constantly not specifics.

But for example:

Here is what was said "Iam liking all this, dont see why everyones so hating on it.. Ah well must just be me..."

questioning the reading comprehension is a indirect or direct insult of an individuals intelligence. From the context of what was actually said the individual does not place as much emphasis or important on the problems people have listed and so cant understand the level of venom. It shows being able to read so what was stated was not necessary. Now addressing them calling it hate would be fine. But an insult not based on anything said sounds closer to hate to me than criticism. Also personal attacks I believe are against forum rules, but I might be wrong.

Oddly enough it made it easy to flag people as ignored. When they engaged in examples of the above consistently I just ignored them. Made it a lot easier to be on these forums

I also have criticisms of the game, there are some things I don't like and could be done better. However those criticisms don't outweigh the benefits and joys I get from playing so I choose to focus on the positive. If the negatives started outweighing the benefits I would stop playing and drop it from my life as I have done periodically in the past.

 Leth wrote:
MCs can not be joined by ICs. Most of the tau super abilities were from 1-2 riptides being joined by a buff commander. Without the ignore cover there they are much less strong and will have to rely on much less reliable methods of ignore cover while also not having weapons that are as good as destroying tanks. Sure they can still get in broadsides, but broadsides are not even in the same league for problems as the riptide.

I'm gonna hold off judgment on this until I actually see it, though. It's based on one dude having (supposedly) read the rules book, and I've seen my fair share of people being convinced that ICs can't join MCs in 6th due to misreading the current rules. We'll see.

There is a guy doing QnA over at Natfka. Comment section is hilarious. Im not buying anything he is saying though, unless I get proof he really has a rulebook.

http://natfka.blogspot.de/2014/05/the-7th-edition-codex-qna-from-someone.html

 Green is Best! wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
My Sisters welcome their new Imperium overlords. Being able to use better transports is a killer.

Dare I dream? Repentia in a land raider..... they might actually get to use an assault vehicle.

You would still have T3 no armor save 17 points models that attacks at I1. What kind of even vaguely CC unit would not be able to completely refund itself if charged by repentia? Maybe expensive T5/6 MC and walkers. Gaunts, orks, even assault marines or terminators would just decimate the unit.

 AkharaVect wrote:
There is a guy doing QnA over at Natfka. Comment section is hilarious. Im not buying anything he is saying though, unless I get proof he really has a rulebook.

http://natfka.blogspot.de/2014/05/the-7th-edition-codex-qna-from-someone.html

Allegedly the same guy on BoLs has stated that this is all a massive troll, to prove how nasty other people are. Pretty amusing, seeing as all it's proven is that he's an unpleasant, rude attention whore.


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Seems people are getting new WD today. Anyone got theirs yet? Anything interesting, other than the new SM Captain?

I'll leave these here. Just the cover and some close ups of the new Terminator Captain. Looks to be part of a new Ternminator box.
Found on the web.

 Squidbot wrote:

 AkharaVect wrote:
There is a guy doing QnA over at Natfka. Comment section is hilarious. Im not buying anything he is saying though, unless I get proof he really has a rulebook.

http://natfka.blogspot.de/2014/05/the-7th-edition-codex-qna-from-someone.html

Allegedly the same guy on BoLs has stated that this is all a massive troll, to prove how nasty other people are. Pretty amusing, seeing as all it's proven is that he's an unpleasant, rude attention whore.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Seems people are getting new WD today. Anyone got theirs yet? Anything interesting, other than the new SM Captain?

I'll leave these here. Just the cover and some close ups of the new Terminator Captain. Looks to be part of a new Ternminator box.
Found on the web.

Spoiler:

I'll never understand why people do stuff like this. This guy actually gave up his free time to spend it posting this kind of stuff? Must not have much else to do.

That and Faeit will post anything.

Though I will say, based on my past personal experiences, today is the first day that I would start expecting a rules leak. I used to routinely get my GW items (codex, rulebook, etc) from the store on Wednesdays. Helps if you make friends with the manager.

Cool, I kind of like the new captain sculpt, its not too ott. And thank feth his scabbard/cape isn't plastered in skulls

It does really prove Faeit will put any crap up.
"Here's a guy that is willing to lie and insult you all"
I can get that at work every day!

Looks like he's chomping on a sausage.


Samurai_Eduh was supposed to receive his copy of the rulebook yesterday night... hoping he'll post some stuff for us

Heretical sausage.

 Squidbot wrote:
It does really prove Faeit will put any crap up.
"Here's a guy that is willing to lie and insult you all"
I can get that at work every day!

I like the guy(Natfka) but this "article" is really a huge missed opportunity to pass on some "insider" input.

Anyways, just a few more days to wait (maybe hours if we consider someone having the book early)

 Leth wrote:

 Yonan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Two things:

I swear a vein popped in my forehead when I read what you were replying to hahaha, And yeah, pretty much what I was thinking wrt your answer for my questions.

 Leth wrote:
"What the feth is GW thinking, this is an obvious money grab by offering these cards that are just going to ruin the game. Seriously how much of an idiot is GW. Making people buy more than just the overpriced piece of crap that is the rulebook just to play the game is bs. God just further proof they hate the tyranids. Seriously I cant believe anyone who is not legally slowed could enjoy this game" - Hate and yes typing as an indirect insult is still an insult dont even try to pretend otherwise.

Source? Looks like hyperbole to me.

I have been reading this page since the beginning, you will find plenty of evidence of each type throughout the entire thread I just limited to an example of the types of things that pop up constantly not specifics.

But for example:

Here is what was said "Iam liking all this, dont see why everyones so hating on it.. Ah well must just be me..."

questioning the reading comprehension is a indirect or direct insult of an individuals intelligence. From the context of what was actually said the individual does not place as much emphasis or important on the problems people have listed and so cant understand the level of venom. It shows being able to read so what was stated was not necessary. Now addressing them calling it hate would be fine. But an insult not based on anything said sounds closer to hate to me than criticism. Also personal attacks I believe are against forum rules, but I might be wrong.

Oddly enough it made it easy to flag people as ignored. When they engaged in examples of the above consistently I just ignored them. Made it a lot easier to be on these forums

I also have criticisms of the game, there are some things I don't like and could be done better. However those criticisms don't outweigh the benefits and joys I get from playing so I choose to focus on the positive. If the negatives started outweighing the benefits I would stop playing and drop it from my life as I have done periodically in the past.

Your reading comprehension was questioned because you said you don't see why people are complaining. There have been many rational and legitimate criticisms and you made it sound as if you didn't understand any of it. The misunderstanding was on you and they called you on it. Next time be more precise and less condescending and you'll be alright.

I'm going to call up and see if I can pick up the book today. Had it shipped to my local shop. Fedex says its on the truck for delivery today.

 paqman wrote:

 Squidbot wrote:
It does really prove Faeit will put any crap up.
"Here's a guy that is willing to lie and insult you all"
I can get that at work every day!

I like the guy(Natfka) but this "article" is really a huge missed opportunity to pass on some "insider" input.

Anyways, just a few more days to wait (maybe hours if we consider someone having the book early)

Obviously I don't know the circumstances, but you'd think he'd ask for proof.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
I'm going to call up and see if I can pick up the book today. Had it shipped to my local shop. Fedex says its on the truck for delivery today.

Crap, I just spent 10 minutes looking back in the thread for who said he was supposed to have his book today. When I come back to the end of the thread, you posted! LOL.
Anyways, can't wait to read from you tonight


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 Squidbot wrote:

 paqman wrote:

 Squidbot wrote:
It does really prove Faeit will put any crap up.
"Here's a guy that is willing to lie and insult you all"
I can get that at work every day!

I like the guy(Natfka) but this "article" is really a huge missed opportunity to pass on some "insider" input.

Anyways, just a few more days to wait (maybe hours if we consider someone having the book early)

Obviously I don't know the circumstances, but you'd think he'd ask for proof.

I think these days he's working on automated mode. Anything that gets thrown at him is redirected to his blog... its unfortunate. I prefered his older style where I had the impression that he was filtering what was posted.

Closely watching /tg/ now!

Allies chart:

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Leth wrote:

 Yonan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Two things:

I swear a vein popped in my forehead when I read what you were replying to hahaha, And yeah, pretty much what I was thinking wrt your answer for my questions.

 Leth wrote:
"What the feth is GW thinking, this is an obvious money grab by offering these cards that are just going to ruin the game. Seriously how much of an idiot is GW. Making people buy more than just the overpriced piece of crap that is the rulebook just to play the game is bs. God just further proof they hate the tyranids. Seriously I cant believe anyone who is not legally slowed could enjoy this game" - Hate and yes typing as an indirect insult is still an insult dont even try to pretend otherwise.

Source? Looks like hyperbole to me.

I have been reading this page since the beginning, you will find plenty of evidence of each type throughout the entire thread I just limited to an example of the types of things that pop up constantly not specifics.

But for example:

Here is what was said "Iam liking all this, dont see why everyones so hating on it.. Ah well must just be me..."

questioning the reading comprehension is a indirect or direct insult of an individuals intelligence. From the context of what was actually said the individual does not place as much emphasis or important on the problems people have listed and so cant understand the level of venom. It shows being able to read so what was stated was not necessary. Now addressing them calling it hate would be fine. But an insult not based on anything said sounds closer to hate to me than criticism. Also personal attacks I believe are against forum rules, but I might be wrong.

Oddly enough it made it easy to flag people as ignored. When they engaged in examples of the above consistently I just ignored them. Made it a lot easier to be on these forums

I also have criticisms of the game, there are some things I don't like and could be done better. However those criticisms don't outweigh the benefits and joys I get from playing so I choose to focus on the positive. If the negatives started outweighing the benefits I would stop playing and drop it from my life as I have done periodically in the past.

Your reading comprehension was questioned because you said you don't see why people are complaining. There have been many rational and legitimate criticisms and you made it sound as if you didn't understand any of it. The misunderstanding was on you and they called you on it. Next time be more precise and less condescending and you'll be alright.

Actually I didnt post the original comment, but nothing in the comment warranted an insult. If you actually read, he didnt see why people were hating TO THE EXTENT that they were, not that he couldnt see why people were hating. "so hating" is not the same as "hating".

Necron and BA BFF confirmed in new WD.

As for deathstar power decrease i agree :
- beaststar and seerstar need the reroll on save, now it can be denied potentially and you can only cast once per turn so if you miss or peril, there go the deathstar. Its not automatically dead as a build, but it is now possible to counter it much more easily
- many deathstar used the Tau toolbox commander and cant anymore (whether allied or with riptide)
- devstar is not hurt as much (only the fact that the ignore cover/ prescience can be denied)

The negativity from people is a showing that we still care and also secretly hope it's not hot street trash.

But $85 for a quality unseen is too rich for my tastes. Will enjoy the leaks coming soon...

... I remember the last few death throws of "false hope" when 6E released. The "Hold On, Hold On... we don't know everything yet!" that proved fatalistic and the much wanted changes were just wish listing turn rumors, much like the ignores cover save being -2 to your save.

Found this at http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2014/05/21/7th-edition-is-starting-to-look-pretty-cool/#comment-273000. Dunno if accurate:

Just got a quick glance in the new rulebook and can confirm a few things:
- New table for Perils, on a roll of 1 psyker takes a Ld, fail the Ld and the psyker dies instantly and any unit he/she is in takes d6 S6 AP1 hits. Roll a 2 and you loose the power and takes a wound. On the other hand, roll a 6 and you get 3+ invul and Fleshbane.
- New table for vehicle damage, indeed explodes is 7+ (6 is Immobilised)
- Santic powers looks alot lite Grey Knights old powers, spotted at least Hammerhand.
- FMC’s, one ground per phase and only on inflicted wounds. So worst case one test in psychic and one in shooting.
- Prescience is now 2 warpcharges.
- Battlebrothers, same as before BUT you can embark on your bro’s transport.

 TheKbob wrote:
The negativity from people is a showing that we still care and also secretly hope it's not hot street trash.

But $85 for a quality unseen is too rich for my tastes. Will enjoy the leaks coming soon...

... I remember the last few death throws of "false hope" when 6E released. The "Hold On, Hold On... we don't know everything yet!" that proved fatalistic and the much wanted changes were just wish listing turn rumors, much like the ignores cover save being -2 to your save.

Which is fair enough but when you are looking for trash and expecting trash it is much easier to focus in on the trash disregarding everything else.

Anyway for people on the fence I recommend checking out the live streams I am listing and collecting here. Very competitive players will be picking apart the rulebook and showing live practice games, I recommend checking them out at some point during the weekend.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/595981.page

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Green is Best! wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
My Sisters welcome their new Imperium overlords. Being able to use better transports is a killer.

Dare I dream? Repentia in a land raider..... they might actually get to use an assault vehicle.

You would still have T3 no armor save 17 points models that attacks at I1. What kind of even vaguely CC unit would not be able to completely refund itself if charged by repentia? Maybe expensive T5/6 MC and walkers. Gaunts, orks, even assault marines or terminators would just decimate the unit.

Don't hate on my sisters who are trying to redeem themselves in battle. And keep in mind those are T3 no armor save 17 point models with feel no pain.... thank you very much.

They may be awful, but they are a little less awful in a land raider.

 Squidbot wrote:

 AkharaVect wrote:
There is a guy doing QnA over at Natfka. Comment section is hilarious. Im not buying anything he is saying though, unless I get proof he really has a rulebook.

http://natfka.blogspot.de/2014/05/the-7th-edition-codex-qna-from-someone.html

Allegedly the same guy on BoLs has stated that this is all a massive troll, to prove how nasty other people are. Pretty amusing, seeing as all it's proven is that he's an unpleasant, rude attention whore.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Seems people are getting new WD today. Anyone got theirs yet? Anything interesting, other than the new SM Captain?

I'll leave these here. Just the cover and some close ups of the new Terminator Captain. Looks to be part of a new Ternminator box.
Found on the web.

Spoiler:

I hope he is a clamshell IC to buy and not a 'online only spend X to get' deal, I will be happy to grab him and some other stuff with my voucher