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 Red Corsair wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Now it will be coteaz OR Be'Lakor on every table!

So same as before but Coteaz sees less table time then.

I saw much less Bel'Akor in flying circus builds. It was mostly fatey and a LOC from my experience.

That's because Fateweaver needs to be your warlord to be effective, and Be'Lakor has higher LD. You need to ally him in, so you're putting at least 400 pts into that detachment, and if you're not playing 1750+ that gets very interesting to fit into your list.

Edit: Basically, it's nothing against Be'Lakor, it's just annoying to make that work and you needed another codex and some cultists along with him unlesss you dropped Fateweaver.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I've bolded the key part of the debate that you're completely missing. You're trying to refute something while ignoring the key limitation central to the premise.

1. I didn't miss anything I saw it but didn't agree with the assessment. 2. I clearly counted by codex and even said so. 3. And if you dig deep enough into fluff about the only ones who never get Psykers (either of their own or by working with them) are Necrons. Oh wait, they teamed up with Blood Angels that one time.

Anything can potentially happen with any faction because we're talking about a game with a setting that takes place across thousands of years and unfathomable millions of cubic lightyears, that doesn't mean that factions don't have well founded archetypes that should only have the rarest of exceptions, and that players won't try to stick to them. Again, this game wouldn't last a year without its fluff, GW's (and by extension, 40k's) primary source of value is the setting and background. Mucking with that mucks with why people play the game.

And we don't know if the MoK is getting changed or not in the next FAQ either. I could see them easily slapping "Adamantium Will" in there for them.

I certainly wouldn't bank on that, GW does not have a history of adding abilities that otherwise were completely absent in FAQ/Errata documents, especially something like that. It's possible, but not something I'd really consider a likely possibility.

mercury14 wrote:
Farseers with their ability to negate perils by spending a warp charge seem to come out big here. Eldrad looks better than ever.

Farseers can poop out D-Vortexes and ignore the extra risk of perils....

... and they can use a psychic shooting power and still chuck an S9 Singing Spear...

... and they get primaris Guide which is a virtual Prescience for only one WC.


Wow.

It's almost as if these new powers and revamps of old powers (invisibility) have some how made seer starts MOAR broken Jeebus Crustus!

Edit - dupe


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 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Goodbye Coteaz, hello GK Librarian.

Why?

Maybe he has something against mutant eagles?

Seriously now. A GK librarian is A LOT more expensive than Coteaz. Why would he be worth it?

I am guessing on his behalf but maybe the extra mastery levels?

Extra mastery, terminator armor, and doesnt peril on doubles on Sactnic powers

Coteaz and another inquisitor is ml 2 and ml 1. Two casters three warp charges. From the GK codex. Cheaper than your GK librarian.

Yea and it uses up two slots and isn't nearly as killy meaning you won't want to through them into hell reach.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 Magc8Ball wrote:
The question is whether we will see an FAQ specifying that certain psykers have access to the different powers or not. Just because the reference card says Chaos has divination, that doesn't override the sorceror's codex entry that specifies what tables they may roll on.

demontalons wrote:
Im sure in the FAQ it will.

Wait, whuut????

You're getting a BRAND NEW EDITION and you're already asking for FAQ's????

It's almost as if you're just reading every 5th post or are unfamiliar with 6th edition's release.

Or baiting people in this thread because he's got nothing better to do, and really deserves a smack across the nose with a rolled up newspaper?

It is kronk after all.

I'm really not a troll per se, but this just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But I'll let it go at this time. Enjoy 7th Edition all.

Doesn't Eldrad generate warp charges by using his powers? How does that work again?

Super Newb wrote:

Coteaz and another inquisitor is ml 2 and ml 1. Two casters three warp charges. From the GK codex. Cheaper than your GK librarian.

I'm aware of that

A leak on how denying blessings can't happen fast enough. I am seriously hoping that 6's cancel successful WC's meaning if a seer throws 4 dice and gets 2 4+ for invisibility I'll only need one 6 to cancel it. If he were to throw 6 dice and get 3 4+ I'd need at least two 6's etc etc. Otherwise if you need to match all his charges it's never going to make a real impact.

 Red Corsair wrote:
A leak on how denying blessings can't happen fast enough. I am seriously hoping that 6's cancel successful WC's meaning if a seer throws 4 dice and gets 2 4+ for invisibility I'll only need one 6 to cancel it. If he were to throw 6 dice and get 3 4+ I'd need at least two 6's etc etc. Otherwise if you need to match all his charges it's never going to make a real impact.

That is a good point, if you only need to cancel one success of a multi charge power, then it shouldnt be too bad

 Red Corsair wrote:
Yea and it uses up two slots and isn't nearly as killy meaning you won't want to through them into hell reach.

Isn't nearly as 'killy'? Explain. Can't they cast the same number of spells?

Also explain 'hell reach'

It might be one for one, so if you roll 3 successes to get a WC2 power off the other guy has to deny 2 of those successes.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Anything can potentially happen with any faction because we're talking about a game with a setting that takes place across thousands of years and unfathomable millions of cubic lightyears, that doesn't mean that factions don't have well founded archetypes that should only have the rarest of exceptions, and that players won't try to stick to them. Again, this game wouldn't last a year without its fluff, GW's (and by extension, 40k's) primary source of value is the setting and background. Mucking with that mucks with why people play the game.

Then there is no such thing as "fluff breaking" use of psykers in armies now is there? If anything can happen, and let's be really honest here: the fluff is definitely set up to make it that way on purpose, then that whole argument about players not being able to do X because it only presents in the fluff once or twice is silly. Just because it happened only once in writing should never preclude players from getting to use it. The fluff in 40k is open ended so you can create your own stories, which can include a Khorne army dragging around a Tzeentch sorcerer they've imprisoned to bring forth Daemons from the Warp if they so want.

In short: stop raining on people's fun just because you want to paint some lines on the ground and say that's how you want to play the game. Not everyone has to stand inside your little box you know.

mercury14 wrote:
Doesn't Eldrad generate warp charges by using his powers? How does that work again?

For every power casted he get back a warp charge point on a 5+

So whenever Eldrad passes a psychic test he generates a WC on a roll of 5-6.

Runes of Warding grant an additional +2 to DtW rolls once per game... I guess that will have to be FAQd but it would be cool it it was +2 successes.

Runes of Witnessing lets a seer reroll a failed psychic test once per game... Very useful now.

 Squidbot wrote:

 Njal Stormpuppy wrote:
Someone please let me know, have the new rules actually been branded as 7ed by gw yet?

Are you serious?
Yes. Very much so. Just go to the GW site....

Ok I just looked it up on the site, and it may have been because I was on my mobile device but nowhere could I find if being branded as warhanmer 40k 7ed
Only warhanmer 40k, even in the discription. Might just be being dumb here but either way, no need to be so sharp.

That's what I'm thinking. I'm guessing you're gonna need the WC cost in 6's to deny. Which still isn't that bad. Not great, but it does mean that you can throw all your dice at things like invisibility to keep it from flooring you. I'd almost want to roll invisibility so that the rest of my powers would go through

So MSS took an indirect though needed nerf. Because you activate Force during the Psyhic Phase, the psyker player can just not use Force and ensure he doesn't ID himself due to MSS.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Anything can potentially happen with any faction because we're talking about a game with a setting that takes place across thousands of years and unfathomable millions of cubic lightyears, that doesn't mean that factions don't have well founded archetypes that should only have the rarest of exceptions, and that players won't try to stick to them. Again, this game wouldn't last a year without its fluff, GW's (and by extension, 40k's) primary source of value is the setting and background. Mucking with that mucks with why people play the game.

Then there is no such thing as "fluff breaking" use of psykers in armies now is there? If anything can happen, and let's be really honest here: the fluff is definitely set up to make it that way on purpose, then that whole argument about players not being able to do X because it only presents in the fluff once or twice is silly. Just because it happened only once in writing should never preclude players from getting to use it. The fluff in 40k is open ended so you can create your own stories, which can include a Khorne army dragging around a Tzeentch sorcerer they've imprisoned to bring forth Daemons from the Warp if they so want.

In short: stop raining on people's fun just because you want to paint some lines on the ground and say that's how you want to play the game. Not everyone has to stand inside your little box you know.

I'm pretty sure you missed my point.

i'm not saying they have to play my way, in fact I'm pretty sure my point was that this would restrict playstyles. My original point was that the increasing move towards a WHFB style Magic phase, both in functionality and power, is going to force people to include psykers where they otherwise wouldn't. That was my point.

This is strongly evidenced by WHFB where armies without Wizards are very rare indeed on tables, and anti-magic/psyker fluff is far less strong, and there's only one army that can't take any magic in the first place.

I wonder how hammerhand works with a brotherhood as the card says the psyker gets the bonus and not as now the unit. 2 days to go.

Skullhammer wrote:
I wonder how hammerhand works with a brotherhood as the card says the psyker gets the bonus and not as now the unit. 2 days to go.

It says the psyker and his unit, so Brotherhood would still get the entire power for the unit. You always nominate one guy to be the 'psyker' when you use the brotherhood rule

Eldrad (67%fortune) then rolling Sanctuary (+1inv)
5xSpirit Seers (looking for you invisibility) or Farseer
Beastpack star

we are looking to deal with possible 3+inv rerollable unit that you can hit on snapshots? nice..

Devil wrote:
Eldrad (67%fortune) then rolling Sanctuary (+1inv)
5xSpirit Seers (looking for you invisibility) or Farseer
Beastpack star

we are looking to deal with possible 3+inv rerollable unit that you can hit on snapshots? nice..

Part of what makes the seerstar good is mobility, and Eldrad can't take a jetbike. If he fortunes the seerstar you kill him.

Devil wrote:
Eldrad (67%fortune) then rolling Sanctuary (+1inv)
5xSpirit Seers (looking for you invisibility) or Farseer
Beastpack star

we are looking to deal with possible 3+inv rerollable unit that you can hit on snapshots? nice..

I'm hoping that casting powers proves to be a difficult and dangerous process, because everything I've heard about it so far sounds A-1 Crazy.

 undertow wrote:

Part of what makes the seerstar good is mobility, and Eldrad can't take a jetbike. If he fortunes the seerstar you kill him.

Sanctic -> Gate of Infinity -> problem solved

ps. I am not looking for seer star but beast pack with eldrad, farseer (or 5x spirit seers) + Baron

 Colpicklejar wrote:

Devil wrote:
Eldrad (67%fortune) then rolling Sanctuary (+1inv)
5xSpirit Seers (looking for you invisibility) or Farseer
Beastpack star

we are looking to deal with possible 3+inv rerollable unit that you can hit on snapshots? nice..

I'm hoping that casting powers proves to be a difficult and dangerous process, because everything I've heard about it so far sounds A-1 Crazy.

You need to roll a 4+ per Warp Charge to cast, and on double 6s on any of the dice, regardless of if you successfully manifest the power or not, you perils (outside of Daemonology which perils on ANY doubles outside of Grey Knights and Daemons).

 Colpicklejar wrote:

Devil wrote:
Eldrad (67%fortune) then rolling Sanctuary (+1inv)
5xSpirit Seers (looking for you invisibility) or Farseer
Beastpack star

we are looking to deal with possible 3+inv rerollable unit that you can hit on snapshots? nice..

I'm hoping that casting powers proves to be a difficult and dangerous process, because everything I've heard about it so far sounds A-1 Crazy.

That's because a bunch of people are basing it off assumption of rules, are getting the rules wrong, or just plain assuming best case scenarios. I'd say just wait out the next 48 hours and then read your book. I know GW told my local retailers at least they could sell as of noon on friday.

Devil wrote:

 undertow wrote:

Part of what makes the seerstar good is mobility, and Eldrad can't take a jetbike. If he fortunes the seerstar you kill him.

Sanctic -> Gate of Infinity -> problem solved

ps. I am not looking for seer star but beast pack with eldrad, farseer (or 5x spirit seers) + Baron

Well, If you're willing to cope with Perils on any double...

I wonder if they're going to errata Shadow from the Warp...

It could force the psyker to get perils on any pairs rolled. (peril is only on pairs of 6s right?)

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 Magc8Ball wrote:
The question is whether we will see an FAQ specifying that certain psykers have access to the different powers or not. Just because the reference card says Chaos has divination, that doesn't override the sorceror's codex entry that specifies what tables they may roll on.

demontalons wrote:
Im sure in the FAQ it will.

Wait, whuut????

You're getting a BRAND NEW EDITION and you're already asking for FAQ's????

Isn't that the point of this whole thing?

We'll need FAQs to bring the books in line with the new ruleset. Just the psychic powers alone requires a massive bit of FAQing of the books.

You missed the point.... GW needs monies... Time to update all the codexes again and make us all buy them again.... A couple of text corrections, a new 7th edition look-and-feel cover and $60, bingo - you have all your corrections.