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Question about detachments:
Does it say what counts as a "Primary Detachment" now? Can you only ever have one?

I was just re-reading my daemon codex, and remembered it says "Each primary detachment in your army may take 4 heralds...", whereas if I read the new Allied Detachment from the GW video, it says that it "may not be your Primary Detachment"(emphasis mine), implying there is a change from having multiple primaries, to only one.

- H8

Anything about grav weapons ignoring jink/cover/invuln saves against vehicles?

Hatemonger wrote:
Question about detachments:
Does it say what counts as a "Primary Detachment" now? Can you only ever have one?

I was just re-reading my daemon codex, and remembered it says "Each primary detachment in your army may take 4 heralds...", whereas if I read the new Allied Detachment from the GW video, it says that it "may not be your Primary Detachment"(emphasis mine), implying there is a change from having multiple primaries, to only one.

- H8

It's been mentioned somewhere, but you only get 1 primary detachment. That's where the warlord gets chosen from.

Edit - unbound lists don't use detachments. Bring as many heralds as you like.

 spartanlegion wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 spartanlegion wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Battlesong wrote:

 N.I.B. wrote:
Hive Crone, meet shelf.

Tyranids, meet shelf.....

Game, meet shelf.

Game meet Ebay -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2k-pro-painted-astra-militarum-forgeworld-death-korps-of-krieg-army-case-codex-/281342932237?pt=Games_US&hash=item418158750d

Exalted and also following this lead:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40k-AM-IG-Big-Lot-/321412488446?

yeah, that's mine. Being 43 and finally done with this game, I'm hanging up my spurs.

But it says the army has never been played....


I wouldn't put to much stock in eBay auctions indicating people jumping ship just because of the new edition. Most likely they are sellers who just held on for the new edition to be released because the demand would be higher.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Hatemonger wrote:
Question about detachments:
Does it say what counts as a "Primary Detachment" now? Can you only ever have one?

I was just re-reading my daemon codex, and remembered it says "Each primary detachment in your army may take 4 heralds...", whereas if I read the new Allied Detachment from the GW video, it says that it "may not be your Primary Detachment"(emphasis mine), implying there is a change from having multiple primaries, to only one.

- H8

It's been mentioned somewhere, but you only get 1 primary detachment. That's where the warlord gets chosen from.

Edit - unbound lists don't use detachments. Bring as many heralds as you like.

Or 2,000 points of nothing but Lootas!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Hatemonger wrote:
Question about detachments:
Does it say what counts as a "Primary Detachment" now? Can you only ever have one?

I was just re-reading my daemon codex, and remembered it says "Each primary detachment in your army may take 4 heralds...", whereas if I read the new Allied Detachment from the GW video, it says that it "may not be your Primary Detachment"(emphasis mine), implying there is a change from having multiple primaries, to only one.

- H8

It's been mentioned somewhere, but you only get 1 primary detachment. That's where the warlord gets chosen from.

Edit - unbound lists don't use detachments. Bring as many heralds as you like.

Or 2,000 points of nothing but Lootas!

I'll play ANY unbound army, even like that one if the spammy unit is authentic, wysiwyg, and painted. Proxying such a list is blatant abuse of the system and I'll simply refuse that sort of game.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 spartanlegion wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 spartanlegion wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Battlesong wrote:

 N.I.B. wrote:
Hive Crone, meet shelf.

Tyranids, meet shelf.....

Game, meet shelf.

Game meet Ebay -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2k-pro-painted-astra-militarum-forgeworld-death-korps-of-krieg-army-case-codex-/281342932237?pt=Games_US&hash=item418158750d

Exalted and also following this lead:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40k-AM-IG-Big-Lot-/321412488446?

yeah, that's mine. Being 43 and finally done with this game, I'm hanging up my spurs.

But it says the army has never been played....


I wouldn't put to much stock in eBay auctions indicating people jumping ship just because of the new edition. Most likely they are sellers who just held on for the new edition to be released because the demand would be higher.

. Yeah? It's never been man handled, played with, dropped, or the like. So?

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Soooo unbound at 750 I can take a harridan, and make it my warlord?

Cue "smaug vs Laketown" scene!

Even better...

Tau Manta Missile Destroyer... 2000 Points.

That'd be like War Rocket Ajax firing on Voltan's city.


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 spartanlegion wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 spartanlegion wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 spartanlegion wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Battlesong wrote:

 N.I.B. wrote:
Hive Crone, meet shelf.

Tyranids, meet shelf.....

Game, meet shelf.

Game meet Ebay -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2k-pro-painted-astra-militarum-forgeworld-death-korps-of-krieg-army-case-codex-/281342932237?pt=Games_US&hash=item418158750d

Exalted and also following this lead:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40k-AM-IG-Big-Lot-/321412488446?

yeah, that's mine. Being 43 and finally done with this game, I'm hanging up my spurs.

But it says the army has never been played....


I wouldn't put to much stock in eBay auctions indicating people jumping ship just because of the new edition. Most likely they are sellers who just held on for the new edition to be released because the demand would be higher.

. Yeah? It's never been man handled, played with, dropped, or the like. So?

LOL.

I see many an army or model on eBay that are listed as "Pro Painted" and for sale well over £100 for something like an Abaddon or Lysander. An army for over £3000.

Even some have the gaul to sell really badly painted models in an army for over £2k.

Who even buys these "Pro Painted" armies for £3k???

I've seen 2nd Gen Camaro in Yellow and Black with a working engine for cheaper.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Or 2,000 points of nothing but Lootas!

Haha, until you run across a Land Raider army

MadmanMSU wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
I am now sat looking at this £40 set of books and I have the worst buyers remorse :(

Return it. That's what I did with my Tyranids when I saw the codex. Walked right into my GW store and said "I'd like to return this $250 worth of stuff". Manager: "Seriously?". Me: "Yep".

Last time I was in a GW store.

I am kind of tempted to buy a ton of stuff tomorrow morning... just so I can return it all on Monday...

 Thokt wrote:
This may be a dense question, but if Unbound troops can't deny objectives - any Battleforged unit has the ability to cap that objective by jumping on it - correct? (Since all units score now)

Objective Secured seems to me to only be pertinent to games of BF v BF, in which troops gain this ability over other scoring units.

Where did you get that Unbound troops can't deny objectives? All Unbound units score just like Battle-Forged units score, but Battle-Forged troops score above and beyond all others.

I think 7th edition for me is going to be the painting edition. If it has the same shelf life of 6th edition (23 months). I should have all my Tyranids finished by the time 8th edition comes out.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Hatemonger wrote:
Question about detachments:
Does it say what counts as a "Primary Detachment" now? Can you only ever have one?

I was just re-reading my daemon codex, and remembered it says "Each primary detachment in your army may take 4 heralds...", whereas if I read the new Allied Detachment from the GW video, it says that it "may not be your Primary Detachment"(emphasis mine), implying there is a change from having multiple primaries, to only one.

- H8

It's been mentioned somewhere, but you only get 1 primary detachment. That's where the warlord gets chosen from.

Edit - unbound lists don't use detachments. Bring as many heralds as you like.

Thanks, that's about what I thought.

I know, unbound, but... I was trying to avoid that.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Or 2,000 points of nothing but Lootas!

And I was definitely trying to avoid that.

- H8

Quick question, is it possible to swap back to the Primaris power at all now or can you only get those powers if you go mono discipline?

nevermind...

found it

Powerguy wrote:
Quick question, is it possible to swap back to the Primaris power at all now or can you only get those powers if you go mono discipline?

You can swap but if you're going mono-discipline might as well not.

Powerguy wrote:
Quick question, is it possible to swap back to the Primaris power at all now or can you only get those powers if you go mono discipline?

As I've seen, you can exchange a rolled pwoer for the primaris.

Hatemonger wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Hatemonger wrote:
Question about detachments:
Does it say what counts as a "Primary Detachment" now? Can you only ever have one?

I was just re-reading my daemon codex, and remembered it says "Each primary detachment in your army may take 4 heralds...", whereas if I read the new Allied Detachment from the GW video, it says that it "may not be your Primary Detachment"(emphasis mine), implying there is a change from having multiple primaries, to only one.

- H8

It's been mentioned somewhere, but you only get 1 primary detachment. That's where the warlord gets chosen from.

Edit - unbound lists don't use detachments. Bring as many heralds as you like.

Thanks, that's about what I thought.

I know, unbound, but... I was trying to avoid that.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Or 2,000 points of nothing but Lootas!

And I was definitely trying to avoid that.

- H8

I feel like players have a bigger fear of "TFG" lists with these unbound armies than we will realistically see in games with no restrictions.

I mean look at the games today - either bring a 2++ re-roll or GTFO. In legal armies - how is THAT fun or accepted? I beseech TOs to let this thing ride as the rulebook allows for a quarter year or more before knee jerkily banning stuff. It'll never happen but I can hope.

Maybe rumors of a tournament supplement are true for later this year...

MarkyMark wrote:

BeeCee wrote:
MarkyMark,

I know you've been asked the same question multiple times about 1300 times in the past 18 hours but will you indulge me.

I am not quite clear on Vector Strike. Kirby was reporting that FMCs still get d3 vector strike hits but i remember you saying it was 1 but d3 vs flyers/swooping MCs?

Would it be possible for a copy paste of the VS rules?

Heldrakes will still be str8 ap3 though.

Why? Meteoric Descent only states Vector Strike whilst Zooming at Strength 7.
Nothing about its AP value being set.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Powerguy wrote:
Quick question, is it possible to swap back to the Primaris power at all now or can you only get those powers if you go mono discipline?

You can swap but if you're going mono-discipline might as well not.

True, but many psychic heavy armies use multiple disciplines and it would have been a big hit for them if they could no longer mix and match and get Prescience/Shriek. For instance it would have meant that the Jetcouncil or the Beaststar would have been very very unlikely to get Prescience, as you would have to land Fortune on the first psyker and then not go for Invis or any other powers on the second one. I didn't think that the Beast Pack could get even more bent, but a unit with a 4++ re-rollable that can only be hit on 6's in shooting and assault and has 100 re-rollable attacks on the charge is just a tad scary...

It is on a psyker by psyker basis. So as long as Psyker A only takes powers from Divination, it gets the Primaris for free. If Psyker B (even if in the same detachment) only takes powers from Telepathy, it will get the primaris for free.

Can still pretty easily have you army pull from multiple disciplines.

And yes, if you want, you can still 'trade in' for the primaris.

mercury14 wrote:
Anything about grav weapons ignoring jink/cover/invuln saves against vehicles?

Someone said they dont ignore cover/invuln i believe

mercury14 wrote:
Anything about grav weapons ignoring jink/cover/invuln saves against vehicles?

Back in 250s - 260s someone asked this question.

Yes units/models/vehicles can get cover/invul saves vs. grav weapons.

I'm curious about something in specific, did they address the issue of the poor wording about when you were locked in combat versus firing overwatch? The old rules left an interpretation that you could be assaulted successfully, but still overwatch a separate unit in the same phase.

Sounds like Infilcheating will still be a thing, or is that 100% A-Okay in the rules now? Infilcheating being attaching an IC with the infiltrate special rule to a unit that doesn't have it and infiltrating.

Did they happen to clarify what super heavy walkers do when they move through terrain? Do they really just roll 2d6 and take the highest?

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 undertow wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Until 7th, psychic powers were almost risk-free to cast with LD 10 running around all over the place.

Who would have expected a nerf to free buffs? Weird.

And yes, I really can't feel any sympathy for people angry about psykers being nerfed when at the same time, some armies don't even have access to any psykers.

If only those armies that didn't have access to Psykers were compensated somehow, like with greater shooting capability or something.

Maybe with their army's next respective codex.


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 optometris wrote:
I welcome the extra randomness. It forces you to act more tactfully during the game

I don't understand this. Randomness adds nothing but randomness...

Agreed, here's the definition of a tactic

tac·tic


/ˈtaktik/

noun

noun: tactic; plural noun: tactics

an action or strategy carefully planned to achieve a specific end.


Notice how it doesn't say random end?


tac·ti·cal

/ˈtaktikəl/

adjective

adjective: tactical

of, relating to, or constituting actions carefully planned to gain a specific military end.


Again, not random.


strat·e·gy


/ˈstratəjē/


noun

noun: strategy; plural noun: strategies

a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim.


If the overall aim (goal, objective) changes all the time, I can't see that "increasing" the tactical nature of the game. Random of the sake of it is bad.

Meh fine tactic wasn't the best word, lets go with adaptable - you'll have do be more adaptable. If the situation suddenly changes you'll need to apply some quick thinking and rework your strategy on the fly.

The best combat leaders aren't the ones in the field, sat there complaining because things aren't going by the book, they're getting shot - the best ones are the ones who can swiftly analyse the situation and know what to do. If you can't adapt to the situation then boohoo to you.

Then again, I really enjoy using the armageddon deadly weather chart thing. I actually find it quite funny if a tornado swallows up one of my squad - I like that challenge of suddenly having to adapt to something I wasn't expecting. maybe thats just me. Its all about forging them narratives baby!!!!

 adamsouza wrote:
Even having sold off most of my collections, I'm still sitting on Space marine, Imperial Guard, Ork, Eldar, and Necron armies.

While I am not overjoyed by a new edition, it's basically one more book to pick up to keep up with the edition change.

I am a tiny bit saddened as I was going to dump my 6E rulebooks on Ebay a couple months back, and now that I have procrastinated their resale value has diminished.

I kind of saw this coming. Got rid of my three very large WHFB (High Elf, Empire and Chaos) armies and five of my 40k armies (Tyranids, Necrons, Tau, Chaos and IG/AM) starting about 5 weeks ago. Have ten LOTR-SBG armies up now and half of them moved quickly on Buy It Now with the other half all having bids on them. Have made more than $4k so far, so I am happy with that. Still have a massive collection of Eldar and a very sizable Space Marine collection that I am considering divesting - but I will hold off for a bit.

As for the recent increase on ebay of armies, for those still playing it is both a good and bad sign. Good because you can pick up a lot of good minis cheap (which doesn't help GW any) and bad because it means a lot of players are finally calling it quits (which doesn't help GW any). Can we all see something in the pattern here that it doesn't help GW any. What do you think that is going to happen as a result in the near future - continued 50%-75% price hikes (like with the Scions) to get those left playing to make up the revenue for the massive outflux of customers happening.

The only good news from this, for me personally, is that the non-stop rapid price increases from GW have made it so I have been selling my armies for much more than I originally paid for them. So, not so bad I guess. But I feel it is time to get out while you still can. I personally believe within two years GW is going to have a massive collapse the same way TSR did in their final years (going from $40 million in revenue to out of business almost overnight). Once that happens, no one will be able to get a great price for their armies - so I am gettin' while the getting' is good.

Not a good time for 40k or GW in particular.

How do warp charges generate with respect to come the apocalypse allies? Can my primary detachment cast off of the cta detachments dice?

Hmm so it sounds like tanks are going to be at least a little tougher? That may just keep me in the game since vehicles are the main draw of 40k for me. Maybe some iron hands land raider plus techmarine shenanigans for fun

I wonder if it's worth getting the digital version over the book
based on the $25 difference alone? I've got a fair sized tablet... say, in which format are the non-itunes e-versions of GW's books? Do I have to go through any crap to use it on both a tablet and a PC?

I'm somewhat inclined to sell off my marines infantry and sub in infantry from another game I like, in case people around here give up 40k. The vehicles would easily become terrain, but I'm not particularly attached to the space marine aesthetic anyway.

 TheKbob wrote:
I like how people comment on ignoring others that obviously don't share they same viewpoint as their own.

Because that's a productive means of discussion; don't like what someone has to say? Ignore it.

Always find that hilarious. Granted, some negativity right now is based upon half truths of rules. On the other hand, the most of the negativity is obviously weighted towards the facts of the last 6-12 months which can sour anyone with a rational viewpoint of their hobby versus a more "blinders" approach.

Hope we get FAQs ASAP because that's going to be super telling or not how much I want to further invest in playing 40k. The mere fact we've gone a year plus without them for what is feeling like a half step in editions is discomforting.

I do, in fact, like some of the changes as they seem to be actual attempts at balance. However, an $85 price tag for what would be errata in other games (or at least an open beta before a major edition change) is dirty.

Well, as a person that has a large space marine force (who didn't buy the new codex), a large Imperial Guard force (didn't buy the codex) and an awesome Ork force I have been horribly disappointed with the the direction for over a year. This was the last gasp that GW had to get my custom back. The leaked rules don't seem to have improved the issues that I had with 6th ed in general but has shifted them to a different place.
The psyker rules seem like an excuse to get folks to buy a new codex and models that they previously weren't buying. I have no interest in summoning a daemon nor playing against an army of heads/tails space elves that summon daemons.
An extra phase...nope.
I don't like the vehicle rules...at all.
I didn't like the rules for terrain in general from 6th and from what I see in 7th, they are no better.
INVISIBILITY????? Feth that!
Random traits, random powers, random objectives.. No thanks. I already play Orks and didn't need you to put random in my random so I can random when I random.

The end times truly have come and it's obvious that Chaos won.

(About your first point, I made a critique earlier about such behavior with a reference to cognitive dissonance, it was deleted. So let's try to keep direct stuff to a minimum.)

 Idolator wrote:

(About your first point, I made a critique earlier about such behavior with a reference to cognitive dissonance, it was deleted. So let's try to keep direct stuff to a minimum.)

The thread gets spring cleaning, I'm okay with this.

I'm just hoping YMDC will be a fanciful grounds of "I told you so" and "nu-uh" for this weekend as we all rib and joke that all the major concerns are now made irrelevant (like searchlight) or answered (like questions I posted a few posts ago).

I really want me some FAQs. Even if I keep playing 6E, the FAQs for 7E would guide answers to how things were meant to be, so to speak.