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 WrentheFaceless wrote:


Is it Shrouded or Stealth?

Yes.

 Blacksails wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:


Is it Shrouded or Stealth?

Yes.

Stealth....

In a Night fight all models has the Stealth rule.

You only play Night Fight if one of the players wants to, you roll a dice on 4+ you play Night fight during first turn.

MarkyMark wrote:
Stealth....

Thank you. My mistake.

Well sorry units at have Stealth, looks like you get a massive middle finger instead.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

"Get lucky" is not sound planning. Better to put the objectives out in e pen in mid field to mitigate luck related losses instead of potentially handing out free VP to your opponents.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

If you REALLY want to see who the better player is then mirror match or play a more tactical/competetive game that isn't horribly unbalanced. All winning 40k proves is who got luckier that game or abused their codex the best (or both).

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

You forget that only 50% (iirc) of the cards are based on objectives.

Super Newb wrote:
Unless I am missing something, will basically every psychic power in each codex be unplayable in 7th until we know how many 'Warp Charges' it takes to cast it?

Everything in the old books already has a Warp Charge to cast. No FAQ needed there. The difference his how you generate them. Before it was 1 per ML. Now its 1 per 4+ on die used. FAQ's will be needed for some of the items though, like Bones of Osrak, Runes of Witnessing and Spirit Stone.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Okay, I'm sure it's in this thread somewhere, but 287+ pages in a bit daunting to read through.

UNBOUND - I've gathered from the context that making an unbound force allows you to ignore the force orginization charts.
Is there any drawback imposed on Unbound forces, or is it just play what ever you want nonsense ?

The Troops in an unbound army do not get super secure objective control so if a random Tactical marine strolled by a BIG blob of unbouned chaos cultist, the tactical marine will grab the objective and waltz on by.

Battle Forged armies also reroll warlord traits and are built by using detachements (which are extra FOCs so their only penalty beyond not strange mix and matching of units is needing to pay a Troops tax on things).

Double FOC is dead, long live infinite FOC.

Thanks.

So basically, there are rewards for using the FOC, and Unbound suffer an inability to hold objectives verses foes using FOC ?

Great.. So Wyrdvane Psykers became even more useless even though the AM codex was written 1 month before 7th ed.

Two rewards.

1) Re-roll the Warlord Table roll (I'm serious, that is your "reward").

2) Super Objective Scoring.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

MarkyMark wrote:
Stealth....

Thank you. My mistake.

Well sorry units at have Stealth, looks like you get a massive middle finger instead.

If they can't see you in the daylight then you aren't going to be any harder to see at night.

Well I have not heard you mention 3-4 solutions that I have heard listening to people online so I figured I would try and share. Combined with the lack of playtesting about the edition leaves plenty of opportunities for things to potentially work.

Sometimes it just takes playing it out to see what happens.

However if you are defeated on the topic I understand and will stop trying to bring in any enthusiasm

 adamsouza wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Okay, I'm sure it's in this thread somewhere, but 287+ pages in a bit daunting to read through.

UNBOUND - I've gathered from the context that making an unbound force allows you to ignore the force orginization charts.
Is there any drawback imposed on Unbound forces, or is it just play what ever you want nonsense ?

The Troops in an unbound army do not get super secure objective control so if a random Tactical marine strolled by a BIG blob of unbouned chaos cultist, the tactical marine will grab the objective and waltz on by.

Battle Forged armies also reroll warlord traits and are built by using detachements (which are extra FOCs so their only penalty beyond not strange mix and matching of units is needing to pay a Troops tax on things).

Double FOC is dead, long live infinite FOC.

Thanks.

So basically, there are rewards for using the FOC, and Unbound suffer an inability to hold objectives verses foes using FOC ?

only against Battle Forged Troops (they are the only ones that get the Objective Secured special rule).

No more puppet master.... R.I.P. Bel'akor

The only factions, that have specific Power are Deamons, CSM, Nids and Eldars.

the rest uses the rulebook powers, who are all in the rulebook, and updated

Also about people inquiring if Dedicated transports are scoring the paragraph pages 134, seems to go that way.

All units are scoring , excepte in these cases;

-Unit is a Zooming FMC/ Flyer
-Unit follow a special rule that specificly says that they can't score
-unit is fleeing, but a unit who regroup, count has scoring again.
-a Non-Claimed Building or fortification

Sigvatr wrote:
Two rewards.

1) Re-roll the Warlord Table roll (I'm serious, that is your "reward").

2) Super Objective Scoring.

With the new objective cards, and collecting them and adding more as the game progresses, will objective scoring be the new big thing ?

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
The only factions, that have specific Power are Deamons, CSM, Nids and Eldars.

the rest uses the rulebook powers, who are all in the rulebook, and updated

Also about people inquiring if Dedicated transports are scoring the paragraph pages 134, seems to go that way.

All units are scoring , excepte in these cases;

-Unit is a Zooming FMC/ Flyer
-Unit follow a special rule that specificly says that they can't score
-unit is fleeing, but a unit who regroup, count has scoring again.
-a Non-Claimed Building or fortification[b]

So Vengence Weapon Batteries are scoring???? Thats kind of nice (maybe a touch cheesy too)

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
The only factions, that have specific Power are Deamons, CSM, Nids and Eldars.

the rest uses the rulebook powers, who are all in the rulebook, and updated

Also about people inquiring if Dedicated transports are scoring the paragraph pages 134, seems to go that way.

All units are scoring , excepte in these cases;

-Unit is a Zooming FMC/ Flyer
-Unit follow a special rule that specificly says that they can't score
-unit is fleeing, but a unit who regroup, count has scoring again.
-a Non-Claimed Building or fortification

Pretty sure Grey Knights, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves still have rulebook powers.

I mean, they won't in the future. I'm assuming once they codex update.

 adamsouza wrote:

Sigvatr wrote:
Two rewards.

1) Re-roll the Warlord Table roll (I'm serious, that is your "reward").

2) Super Objective Scoring.

With the new objective cards, and collecting them and adding more as the game progresses, will objective scoring be the new big thing ?

There are two game "modes".

1. You still have all normal 40k missions.

2. If you want to play for fun alone and like randomness, there are new "Maelstrom" missions. Only those use the objective cards.

Sigvatr wrote:
You forget that only 50% (iirc) of the cards are based on objectives.

Which is a fairly significant percentage and a good reason to plan around that.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
50% of the time your opponent will get that deployment zone though. Objectives THEN deployment. That's why it's a bad idea.

So put one in either, rely on superior firepower to nuke him off of his if his card comes up.

"Get lucky" is not sound planning. Better to put the objectives out in e pen in mid field to mitigate luck related losses instead of potentially handing out free VP to your opponents.

A key point is the assumption that 6th edition gunline armies will adapt to 7th edition and give themselves a better chance at midfield objectives in earlier turns.

If you're going to try to play a 7th edition game with a 6th edition army and style, then sure, place them all on one side and hope the game isn't lost with the roll to choose sides.


The pancake playtesting we did showed how dominant horde armies like Tyranids and Orks can be in games with turn-by-turn VP scoring. In pancake, you could swamp objectives in early turns, rack up large VP leads quickly and then play the contest game and make it very hard for your opponent to catch up. Daemons would be very tough in this kind of game also, thanks to all the speed they have across the org chart.

The approach in 7th edition is somewhat different, and I think the random factor the cards provide (such as capture objective 3, etc.) may actually add balance and fairness.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Great.. So Wyrdvane Psykers became even more useless even though the AM codex was written 1 month before 7th ed.

Warpcharge token generators, and they'll have two powers now.


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Loopstah wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

MarkyMark wrote:
Stealth....

Thank you. My mistake.

Well sorry units at have Stealth, looks like you get a massive middle finger instead.

If they can't see you in the daylight then you aren't going to be any harder to see at night.

Not true. Decent camo becomes great camo in the dark.

 N.I.B. wrote:
Hive Crone, meet shelf.

Tyranids, meet shelf.....

 Battlesong wrote:

 N.I.B. wrote:
Hive Crone, meet shelf.

Tyranids, meet shelf.....

My Sisters army says "hi" from the shelf.

 Battlesong wrote:

 N.I.B. wrote:
Hive Crone, meet shelf.

Tyranids, meet shelf.....

Game, meet shelf.

Has the exact wording for the excess wounds on challenges been leaked? I'm very interested in knowing if "wounds pass unto the unit" means as in actual wounds or just for combat resolution.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Battlesong wrote:

 N.I.B. wrote:
Hive Crone, meet shelf.

Tyranids, meet shelf.....

My Sisters army says "hi" from the shelf.

My Genestealer Cult is rather lonely so they'll glady infect, er...um.. glady welcome your sisters until the the rest of the tyranids join us on the shelf.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Battlesong wrote:

 N.I.B. wrote:
Hive Crone, meet shelf.

Tyranids, meet shelf.....

Game, meet shelf.

We get it, you're not happy

 adamsouza wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Battlesong wrote:

 N.I.B. wrote:
Hive Crone, meet shelf.

Tyranids, meet shelf.....

My Sisters army says "hi" from the shelf.

My Genestealer Cult is rather lonely so they'll glady infect, er...um.. glady welcome your sisters until the the rest of the tyranids join us on the shelf.

Cue Sisters riding nids into battle.

Tsilber wrote:
No more puppet master.... R.I.P. Bel'akor

Look at what invisibility does now.