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Hollismason wrote:
Soul Grinders just became a almost must have for Daemon Armies. You can have 6 of them now and then give them all 4+ Reroll 1s. That's pretty fun! Oh and the rest of your army can just summon more dudes.

Or you spend all your warp charges to cast it, slowly kill of your own models through perils, or risk rolling minimum as the opponent uses the majority of his dice to counter it.

The soul grinders alone are now much better.

no psychic powers really needed.

Online Download for rulebook is available right now just FYI. btw its 10 dollars cheaper on black library then games-workshop. Got is for 59.99. It said pre-order but allowed download lmao.

 Tomb King wrote:
Online Download for rulebook is available right now just FYI. btw its 10 dollars cheaper on black library then games-workshop. Got is for 59.99. It said pre-order but allowed download lmao.

Its not the preview right? lol

 Sigvatr wrote:
That is the problem. AA is very costly and was only made viable because of it also being able to shoot at ground targets. This allowed everyone to effectively counter flyers. If this is lost, now, flyers get a big buff.

Holy crap, even our youngbloods would be better rules writers than those "vets" GW has employed.

Were they? Icarus las was dirt cheap for 35 points, basically T7 2 Wound 3+ armor gun.

Quad was costlier at 50, but when you think about the Hydra (70) or Stalker (75), both of which dont have Interceptor, you'll realize that the ADL gun emplacements were a steal for being effective against ordinary targets too.

 Tomb King wrote:
Online Download for rulebook is available right now just FYI. btw its 10 dollars cheaper on black library then games-workshop. Got is for 59.99. It said pre-order but allowed download lmao.

The Ebook is $59.99.

The interactive Ibook is $69.99

You probably got the former, and not the latter.

Haven't seen it posted, but slight IC change, the wording is now "They cannot, however, join units that contain vehicles or monstrous creatures" instead of the previous vehicle squadron/single model unit wording

 Sigvatr wrote:
That is the problem. AA is very costly and was only made viable because of it also being able to shoot at ground targets. This allowed everyone to effectively counter flyers. If this is lost, now, flyers get a big buff.

Holy crap, even our youngbloods would be better rules writers than those "vets" GW has employed.

yes ADL costly 50pts for a missive wall and quad auto cannon with sky fire interceptor I always felt so hard done by...
IG and SM aa tanks cost more and never had interceptor. now maybe a few more things will get interceptor for what is was meant for instead of it being used to attack out of turn randomly at units rolling on to the board or teleporting in.

To clarify with the "battle brothers can't disembark" debate....

The rules say "FOR EXAMPLE".. as in that list is not exhaustive. Battle brothers could of course disembark from each others transports

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
That is the problem. AA is very costly and was only made viable because of it also being able to shoot at ground targets. This allowed everyone to effectively counter flyers. If this is lost, now, flyers get a big buff.

Holy crap, even our youngbloods would be better rules writers than those "vets" GW has employed.

yes ADL costly 50pts for a missive wall and quad auto cannon with sky fire interceptor I always felt so hard done by...

100points

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Garion wrote:
Now we need only the FAQ... I wonder where they will put them on the website...

Hopefully on the front page of GW in big bold letters

GW doesn't do FAQs anymore..... new site doesn't allow it.... besides, they can't sell FAQs so why would they do them? Heck, they don't even do their glorified retail store - Games Day for free.

GW gives nothing, nada, nilch, zippo away anymore. Well, unless you spend $100 first, then they will throw in a free marine that costs them 5 cents to make....

/sarcasmoff

Maybe this passed under the radar too:

Beams no longer lose strenght. They hit all the line at the same strenght. Tzeentch and pyromancers be happy.

zhutch wrote:
To clarify with the "battle brothers can't disembark" debate....

The rules say "FOR EXAMPLE".. as in that list is not exhaustive. Battle brothers could of course disembark from each others transports

I think GW clearly thought (and they are right), that most people playing the game have an IQ higher than 12 and would understand with that intelligence that if you can embark on a vehicle you can also disembark from it as well without having to tell you something that freakin' obvious.

Was it already posted that buildings now have HP too?

Small = 3 / Medium = 4 / Large = 5

/e: nm can't use haywire vs buildings.

 Wayshuba wrote:

zhutch wrote:
To clarify with the "battle brothers can't disembark" debate....

The rules say "FOR EXAMPLE".. as in that list is not exhaustive. Battle brothers could of course disembark from each others transports

I think GW clearly thought (and they are right), that most people playing the game have an IQ higher than 12 and would understand with that intelligence that if you can embark on a vehicle you can also disembark from it as well without having to tell you something that freakin' obvious.

"My pauldrons are stuck in the chimera sorry. i cant leave the vehicle."

 Wayshuba wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Garion wrote:
Now we need only the FAQ... I wonder where they will put them on the website...

Hopefully on the front page of GW in big bold letters

GW doesn't do FAQs anymore..... new site doesn't allow it.... besides, they can't sell FAQs so why would they do them? Heck, they don't even do their glorified retail store - Games Day for free.

GW gives nothing, nada, nilch, zippo away anymore. Well, unless you spend $100 first, then they will throw in a free marine that costs them 5 cents to make....

/sarcasmoff

I will just leave this here.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/faqs-and-errata.html

 Wayshuba wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Garion wrote:
Now we need only the FAQ... I wonder where they will put them on the website...

Hopefully on the front page of GW in big bold letters

GW doesn't do FAQs anymore..... new site doesn't allow it.... besides, they can't sell FAQs so why would they do them? Heck, they don't even do their glorified retail store - Games Day for free.

GW gives nothing, nada, nilch, zippo away anymore. Well, unless you spend $100 first, then they will throw in a free marine that costs them 5 cents to make....

/sarcasmoff

I could do with a GW Zippo ... where do I go to get the free one of those?

OT: I bought the new rules and am just beginning to peruse the books.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Was it already posted that buildings now have HP too?

Small = 3 / Medium = 4 / Large = 5

/e: nm can't use haywire vs buildings.

I've had an irrational hatred against buildings (especially that rutting Bastion) since they were introduced. This makes me unbelievably happy!

didnt buildings have HPs (structure points?) in 6th?

Leerjawise wrote:
Haven't seen it posted, but slight IC change, the wording is now "They cannot, however, join units that contain vehicles or monstrous creatures" instead of the previous vehicle squadron/single model unit wording

If this is the complete wording, then ICs can now join people like Mephiston and Castellan Crowe.

 Sir Arun wrote:
didnt buildings have HPs in 6th?

Nope

 Wayshuba wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Garion wrote:
Now we need only the FAQ... I wonder where they will put them on the website...

Hopefully on the front page of GW in big bold letters

GW doesn't do FAQs anymore..... new site doesn't allow it.... besides, they can't sell FAQs so why would they do them? Heck, they don't even do their glorified retail store - Games Day for free.

GW gives nothing, nada, nilch, zippo away anymore. Well, unless you spend $100 first, then they will throw in a free marine that costs them 5 cents to make....

/sarcasmoff

Except FAQs came out immediately with 6th ed, not sure why the delay in faqs since last september would negate that edition comes with FAQs right after?

I did run across that all of the GW buildings (Manufactorum, Shrine of the Aquila, etc.) all have special rules attached to them ... kinda nice way to sell some extra kits, interesting business model there.

I'll go ahead and call GW not ever releasing another FAQ again.

cerbrus2 wrote:I will just leave this here.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/faqs-and-errata.html

WrentheFaceless wrote:Except FAQs came out immediately with 6th ed, not sure why the delay in faqs since last september would negate that edition comes with FAQs right after?

Would you two please stop being helpful? We are trying to have a GW hate-fest here!

 GreyHamster wrote:

Leerjawise wrote:
Haven't seen it posted, but slight IC change, the wording is now "They cannot, however, join units that contain vehicles or monstrous creatures" instead of the previous vehicle squadron/single model unit wording

If this is the complete wording, then ICs can now join people like Mephiston and Castellan Crowe.

Sweet corpse empera that means i can make my black library marine (all chapter masters and captain lv models) unit in unbound SQEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I wonder what other fun things we can do.

I can walk a culexus assassin with a tanking body that needs a LD check just to shoot it.

Holy moly thinking about it, a culexus assassin with 2 GK librarians, and 3IG primarus psykers attached would make for a assault 7 ap2 attack at 12" but cannot be shot unless you pass a ld3 LD check
(add two more GK techmarines for 2 more assault and more warpcharges.
Then they also can generate a boat load of warp charges.

 Darkseid wrote:

cerbrus2 wrote:I will just leave this here.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/faqs-and-errata.html

WrentheFaceless wrote:Except FAQs came out immediately with 6th ed, not sure why the delay in faqs since last september would negate that edition comes with FAQs right after?

Would you two please stop being helpful? We are trying to have a GW hate-fest here!

Sorry

Yea, screw those guys!

Hollismason wrote:
I'll go ahead and call GW not ever releasing another FAQ again.

Why write an FAQ now when they can just sell you a complete update in 2 years.

iBook now available!

Exactly.

 Toburk wrote:
I caught that comment too. Doesn't 6th edition make so much sense now that we know GW's internal meta was chaplain heavy, melee Space Marine lists?

No, not really I guess.

Honestly, some of it does. 6th had a lot of assault nerfs, and that would be explained by GW's special snowflake metagame being all about melee marine lists. Someone probably thought that shooting needed to improve so shooting-focused lists wouldn't get tabled as often, and they were all too hilariously stupid to spend even a few minutes looking at how their customers play the game to realize how wrong they were about everything.

Spoletta wrote:
It did lose rending, it just got AP2 on 6 to wound in it's place.

Wow. GW, you are a bunch of ing idiots. How can such painfully stupid people still be employed at a job more complicated than flipping burgers? In fact, how do they even handle demanding tasks like remembering to breathe regularly?

Anyone with any sense at all knows that sniper rifles are garbage in 6th, and completely ineffective against vehicles. And yet somehow someone at GW concluded that they needed to be nerfed even more? The only plausible explanation is that someone got tabled by a sniper-heavy army and got their revenge by nerfing their opponent's army in the new edition.