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Puscifer wrote:
According to the manager at my local GW...

"There are no FAQ, the most important rule takes precedence."

I'm in here right now and cannot believe this.

I'm assuming the most important rule is the decision dice roll off?

If so... I might just get out now before I buy the book.

well thats bollocks because black library have been saying for the last few months that they are due very soon.

http://conclaveofhar.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/warhammer-40k-revenge-of-sixth-or.html

Apologies, not sure where this should actually go but i wrote a review on A Galaxy Of War comparing it with its resepctive sections in 6th Edition. Ill get round to the other books in the next couple of days.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
You'd be stupid to take the word of GW store staff over GW HQ. Many times have I been led up the garden path by store staff.

Lets not misattribute the stupidity in this equation. Naivete perhaps ; )

 DiabolicAl wrote:
http://conclaveofhar.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/warhammer-40k-revenge-of-sixth-or.html

Apologies, not sure where this should actually go but i wrote a review on A Galaxy Of War comparing it with its resepctive sections in 6th Edition. Ill get round to the other books in the next couple of days.

thanks thats a nice review although you could have included more pics (and for some reason your pics look extremely greyscaled)

Wilson wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
According to the manager at my local GW...

"There are no FAQ, the most important rule takes precedence."

I'm in here right now and cannot believe this.

I'm assuming the most important rule is the decision dice roll off?

If so... I might just get out now before I buy the book.

well thats bollocks because black library have been saying for the last few months that they are due very soon.

Now that's what I thought.

But he's adamant that there will be no FAQ.


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I rarely deal with the shop staff, so I'll go with naivitae here.

 Sir Arun wrote:

 DiabolicAl wrote:
http://conclaveofhar.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/warhammer-40k-revenge-of-sixth-or.html

Apologies, not sure where this should actually go but i wrote a review on A Galaxy Of War comparing it with its resepctive sections in 6th Edition. Ill get round to the other books in the next couple of days.

thanks thats a nice review although you could have included more pics (and for some reason your pics look extremely greyscaled)

Camera phone my friend! Straight to Dropbox and then to blog.

I shall take some replacement photos with my better camera and include more in the review. thanks for the feedback!

 DiabolicAl wrote:
http://conclaveofhar.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/warhammer-40k-revenge-of-sixth-or.html

Apologies, not sure where this should actually go but i wrote a review on A Galaxy Of War comparing it with its resepctive sections in 6th Edition. Ill get round to the other books in the next couple of days.

Damn that Bay comparison!!!

His movies offer more than explosions!!!

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Burning Chariot was also a skimmer, but since no one used it the point is moot.

Plus, why the hell would you sweep with that thing?

I was looking forward to sweeping with a d6 S5 AP2 attacks and then blasting the same unit with a template...:(

 Idolator wrote:


The big squad with a nob assaults a single Daemon Prince with a bunch of attacks that has a higher initiative (all of them have a higher initiative than orks) The Daemon Prince makes a challenge. Two choices.
1. Accept. The nob gets killed and the excess wounds kill a few more boyz. The boys cannot attack or engage the prince.
2. refuse. The only guy with a real chance to hurt the Prince can't attack it.
That was why I asked about Monstrous creatures.

So they didn't fix this, they actually made it worse, and they didn't fix anything in assault.

 TedNugent wrote:

 Idolator wrote:


The big squad with a nob assaults a single Daemon Prince with a bunch of attacks that has a higher initiative (all of them have a higher initiative than orks) The Daemon Prince makes a challenge. Two choices.
1. Accept. The nob gets killed and the excess wounds kill a few more boyz. The boys cannot attack or engage the prince.
2. refuse. The only guy with a real chance to hurt the Prince can't attack it.
That was why I asked about Monstrous creatures.

So they didn't fix this, they actually made it worse, and they didn't fix anything in assault.

The boyz in the first situation will maul down on the prince. If the unit has no other target it can attack the challenger. The prince hurling a challenge is actually perfectly fluffy, it is him that ignores the orks looking for the big one. So he rolls against his AC and can hurt only him until he is death, but the other orks can slap him freely.

Spoletta wrote:


The boyz in the first situation will maul down on the prince. If the unit has no other target it can attack the challenger.

Doesn't save the challenger. Your Nob will die and then wounds from the prince will spill down onto the Boyz, so in fact you would sustain more wounds. The subsequent turn, you're without a Power Klaw and all your Boyz are strength 3.

The challenge rules are much better now. It was stupid that some puny IG sergeant could stop a Bloodthirster for a full turn.

As for the FAQs, they seriously need to happen. Preferably about now.

Sure, not a good situation for the orks, but makes perfect sense both game wise and fluff wise.

I may just stick to 5th/6th edition instead of buying 7th edition, I don't play the game actively enough to be bothered to spend yet another £40.

If your on the fence about buying it I would wait until there is a seperate rules only volume. As it is I'm probably going to bin the other two volumes and slipcase just to save my bookcase some pain.

 SilentScreamer wrote:
I may just stick to 5th/6th edition instead of buying 7th edition, I don't play the game actively enough to be bothered to spend yet another £40.

Thanks for sharing?

So exploded vehicles are str4 hits both inside and outside of vehicles(transport). That's a cool change.

 DiabolicAl wrote:
http://conclaveofhar.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/warhammer-40k-revenge-of-sixth-or.html

Apologies, not sure where this should actually go but i wrote a review on A Galaxy Of War comparing it with its resepctive sections in 6th Edition. Ill get round to the other books in the next couple of days.

Thanks very much, I like your style.

What I don't like... the book ... wow that's horrible.

Spoletta wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:

 Idolator wrote:


The big squad with a nob assaults a single Daemon Prince with a bunch of attacks that has a higher initiative (all of them have a higher initiative than orks) The Daemon Prince makes a challenge. Two choices.
1. Accept. The nob gets killed and the excess wounds kill a few more boyz. The boys cannot attack or engage the prince.
2. refuse. The only guy with a real chance to hurt the Prince can't attack it.
That was why I asked about Monstrous creatures.

So they didn't fix this, they actually made it worse, and they didn't fix anything in assault.

The boyz in the first situation will maul down on the prince. If the unit has no other target it can attack the challenger. The prince hurling a challenge is actually perfectly fluffy, it is him that ignores the orks looking for the big one. So he rolls against his AC and can hurt only him until he is death, but the other orks can slap him freely.

actually you cant HIT into a challenge, you can have excess wounds spill into it, but you cant hit a model thats in a challenge whilst outside it

Warhammer 40k: Revenge of the Sixth or Seventh Heaven?

A clever title, that hooked me immediately.

Nice written review. Dashed some of my hopes for the quality of the new book set, but I'm still probably going to buy it.

So something I noticed: characters don't innately have Precision Shots/Strikes anymore.

Suddenly that Commissar Pistol is useful.

 TedNugent wrote:

Spoletta wrote:


The boyz in the first situation will maul down on the prince. If the unit has no other target it can attack the challenger.

Doesn't save the challenger. Your Nob will die and then wounds from the prince will spill down onto the Boyz, so in fact you would sustain more wounds. The subsequent turn, you're without a Power Klaw and all your Boyz are strength 3.

What i read on some of the leaks,... The Slugga has a +1Str. and a AP4 ,... but thats just rumors,..

AP4 Slugga with +1 Str? Doubt they would be that nice

Was hoping the FAQ would be up this morning before i go play a game, guess Ill wing it

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Was hoping the FAQ would be up this morning before i go play a game, guess Ill wing it

Shouldn't be too difficult I think?

Probably not, ill just treat every GK power as 1 charge unless its on the new sanctic tree

So if characters lose precision shots, can no longer "delay" an enemy killing machine from massacring their squad, what is their use again?

 adamsouza wrote:
Warhammer 40k: Revenge of the Sixth or Seventh Heaven?

A clever title, that hooked me immediately.

Nice written review. Dashed some of my hopes for the quality of the new book set, but I'm still probably going to buy it.

Sorry to pick on you, dude, but why!? If it's not an optimum product and it's non-essential, why purchase it? That tells GW that this is acceptable, that you are prepared to pay money for something substandard. If that's the case then what incentive do they have to produce things that aren't disappointing?

'I'll probably buy it anyway' or variations thereof, crops up all over various threads here and over on B&C, quite often after some seriously negative or disparaging comments about a new product or GW in general. It's a sort of cognitive dissonance that baffles me, as the company (any company) doesn't read your rant on a message board, it focuses on sales and profit margins. So, if you're displeased in any way, send them a message where it counts, don't vent and then do exactly what they want you to do.

sockwithaticket wrote:
Sorry to pick on you, dude, but why!? If it's not an optimum product and it's non-essential, why purchase it? That tells GW that this is acceptable, that you are prepared to pay money for something substandard. If that's the case then what incentive do they have to produce things that aren't disappointing?

The "non-essential" book is part of a 3 book set with the core rules in one of the other books. You kinda have to buy it to get the rules to play 7th (excluding Jolly Rogering means that shall not be discussed).


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 Sir Arun wrote:
So if characters lose precision shots, can no longer "delay" an enemy killing machine from massacring their squad, what is their use again?

Looking cool and carrying the Powerfist?

I can't say I saw anyone excited at the stomping ground about buying the rules. However, there's a con going on so less of a turn out for Friday Night Dice Rollin'.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

sockwithaticket wrote:
Sorry to pick on you, dude, but why!? If it's not an optimum product and it's non-essential, why purchase it? That tells GW that this is acceptable, that you are prepared to pay money for something substandard. If that's the case then what incentive do they have to produce things that aren't disappointing?

The "non-essential" book is part of a 3 book set with the core rules in one of the other books. You kinda have to buy it to get the rules to play 7th (excluding Jolly Rogering means that shall not be discussed).

They'll bring out a rules-only book. I'll happily eat my hat if they don't, but they will. At which point the 3 book set is non-essential. It may be a few months, but having done it with 6th I can't see why they wouldn't with 7th. It will probably help entice those who aren't sold on 7ths new direction if they don't have to buy the 3 book set to take part.