N4T Investigators: Rogue Mexican Army troops crossing the line
SASABE, SONORA - Has a unit of Mexican Army soldiers who patrol right on the Arizona border gone rogue?

This small group has attacked U.S. citizens, and even challenged U.S. federal agents within the U.S. A News 4 Tucson investigation into the dangerous world of rogue soldiers in Mexico's military.

In January, soldiers from this lonely outpost of the Mexican Army drew their guns on U.S. Border Patrol agents just 50 yards into the United States. Then in March, they opened fire on Javier Jose Rodriguez, a young Tucson man visiting family in Sásabe when he was driving around the town early on a Saturday morning after drinking beers with friends. Rodriguez was shot in the arm and in the side, he spent three weeks at University of Arizona Medical Center.

The United States' reaction has been tepid, angering people who live and patrol along the Arizona border.

U.S. Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) revealed details of the January encounter between soldiers from this base and the Border Patrol. In a letter to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Coburn said a lone agent encountered two Mexican soldiers 50 yards inside the U.S. The agent and the soldiers drew their weapons; the soldiers carried G-3 rifles.

"From what I understand, this has happened hundreds of times before," says Sylvia Longmire, a border security analyst whose recent book, Border Insecurity, details the challenges and failings of some Homeland Security operations along the Arizona-Sonora border. The soldiers told the agent they'd gotten lost while pursuing a drug smuggler.

"However, I believe there was some confusion as to whether that's what the Mexican Army was doing because there was no evidence found by the Border Patrol of any drug smugglers in the area," Longmire said.

Reports obtained under the federal Freedom of Information Act show that members of Mexico's Army have crossed into the U.S. at least 300 times over the past 18 years.

On a Tuesday morning, KVOA's Lupita Murillo spoke with the commander of the base. He said the last unit rotated out and that an entirely new unit took its place.

But reports show that across the entire border, soldiers have driven into Texas, landed helicopters in Texas' Rio Grande Valley and encountered Border Patrol agents within the United States.

The injured Rodriguez says he wants justice. His medical bills are now over $43,000. He says he intends to pay those off when he goes back to work. He also thinks it's wrong that these soldiers crossed into Arizona and threatened American federal agents.

"I mean, it's very nerve-wracking," said Art del Cueto, President of the Border Patrol's union in the Tucson Sector, Local 2544. "A lot of these encounters happen in the middle of the night where, you know, the lighting is low and you don't know who you're encountering. You're sitting there and seeing a group of guys coming up to you and they're all carrying long-arms, you don't know what you're encountering."

Sources in the U.S. State Department say they believe Mexico's Attorney General is looking into that March attack. But nobody is investigating why these soldiers cross into Arizona.

Arivaca resident, Ronald Ayers said in 2006, a Mexican Army helicopter in the area crossed the border and landed in the U.S. about 300 yards across the border.

"A helicopter flew very low. Flew around behind the barn, landed and then several men got out all clad in black with masks over their face and body armor, carrying what looked to be full automatic weapons," Ayers recalls. What frustrates him, even now, is that he never heard another word about the incident after he was interviewed by both the FBI and Customs and Border Protection.

Sen. Coburn ordered the Homeland Security Department to produce answers into the Mexican Army incursion by early February. A senior senate aide tells KVOA News 4, as of this week, the agency hasn't responded to the senator's demand.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
You would almost swear that Mexico was a failed state. Foreign army encroaching into your country? Might be time to start taking care of your borders then

 WarOne wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
You would almost swear that Mexico was a failed state. Foreign army encroaching into your country? Might be time to start taking care of your borders then

Perhaps the problem is the borders are not open enough. Let me strawman this up fer ya.

Mexico is a failed state? They have a president and probably other parts of government, like a 50% off kitchen cabinet.

Foreign army encroaching into our country? Perhaps they are Nazi sympathizers trying to stir up unrest!

Take care of our borders? Our borders have been stable since 1959 thanks to our faithful NRA lobby.

There I just won Dakka Bingo in one post.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Fraz, unleash the wienies, job'll take five minutes. Problem solved. Hopping the border and attacking us? If Mexico doesn't make amends, this pretty much sounds like a declaration of war. Also, Mexico needs to pay for that guy's medical bills, as well as some "apology" money.

 d-usa wrote:
Our border agents are too busy slashing the tires of mothers and beating old men.

 Frazzled wrote:
I think the gunfire/aiming at border agents is a big deal. They're protecting a shipment.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
You would almost swear that Mexico was a failed state. Foreign army encroaching into your country? Might be time to start taking care of your borders then

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
You would almost swear that Mexico was a failed state. Foreign army encroaching into your country? Might be time to start taking care of your borders then

Yeah... They kind are a failed state. They are mowing down civilians because of the drug war. And the Cartels are doing the same thing in return. The war has taken to neighborhoods and hundreds are dying each month. (maybe thousands, numbers are still coming in)

Its not a really good place to be.

It was predicted that the chaos may spread to the US, if mexico does not settle the war with the Cartel.

 ironicsilence wrote:
seems like we wouldnt have these types of problems if we would have just built a fence

 Ouze wrote:

 ironicsilence wrote:
seems like we wouldnt have these types of problems if we would have just built a fence

I saw a video on making a fence on youtube, it's tougher than it looks. You need this thing, it looks like 2 shovels clamped together, called a "post hole digger", and to be honest you really need at least 2 guys. So I can see why we haven't done this.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Nah, he's just got something against everybody. Mexico just happens to be close enough so he doesn't have to get out of his lawnchair.

 d-usa wrote:
This is the south, to build a fence they would have to hire illegals to build it...

 SilverMK2 wrote:
If only there was something in the bill of rights about a well regulated militia being able to have guns rather than any individual who can stand up long enough for their nuckles to clear the ground to sign a piece of paper... seems to me that a well regulated militia could do something about this kind of thing...

 KingCracker wrote:
Awww I bet you couldn't wait to finish reading that article to start your America bashing.

 Frazzled wrote:
Frazzled wins the thread .