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 Overread wrote:

 slowthar wrote:

My only option left for gaming after moving was to go to the local nerd store once a week and play random people. If I can't do that and have fun because they have 12 riptides and 6 imperial knights, what else am I gonna do with it?

Honestly if someone has the money, time and transporting capabilites to bring 6 knights you play them along with two or three others and have a great fun time just because its that mad a battle.

Rest of the time that guy can crack out his normal regular codex army. Unbound is just going to be an optional component not a required element. And really its just scaling down Apoc which is already a proven fun format (That didn't result in every 40K gaming club suddenly only playing apoc games).

I was admittedly exaggerating, but the question will be how clearly the line is drawn. Will it be two different play modes, or will I have to enter negotiations with my opponent on whether or not they can/should have 5 HS slots?

It's clearly all conjecture at this point, but to me I value the convenience of clarity to make the game go smoother, and as much as everyone says, "just have a 5 minute conversation with your opponent," I already have to have dozens of those during the game to agree on the rules, and this is just reaching the point of ridiculousness.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Option H: Play incredibly fluffy fun lists that were previously either impossible or too restrictive to be done "properly"

Exalted. Wish that was an actual option in this poll. Fluffy armies, here I come..! o/

 Happyjew wrote:
I will swoop on over to eBay and buy all the Ripper Swarms I can.

Fear my Swarm of Death!!!

It will be just like 3rd ed Tyranids with custom army options going into the insane areas

I think it will still be fun. Most of the fun I get from playing the game comes from fielding my painted models and rolling dice, and watching things die.

With unbound rules it now just gives you more room to field the painted models you like. I will continue to play, although I don't see myself buying a $100 rulebook anytime soon.

I'm guessing much of the store will continue to play 6th edition for awhile.

I want to say I'll just carry on as normal, maybe mod my lists a bit.




But part of me wants to buy another 4 dreadknights, just in case.

There isn't an option for "not play unbound". Seems like what most people are going to do.

I will say "HELL NO, You play bound so I can have a game that actually involved me thinking and not rolling dice"

Boniface wrote:
What are your opinions?

I'll just do what I already do today : no expansions, no allies, no flyers, no fort. (except the ADL line).

I may be willing to make an exception if you play Squats or Preatorians.


Since I'm the only SoB player around, I can afford to be picky about my matchups. Wanna play against my nuns ? It's my way or the highway.

Well aren't you a little snowflake...

You missed an option:
Review the actual rules in combination with the rest of the book in order to make an informed opinion

Its just apoc at lower points.

really.

I'm going to wait and see to see what the actual rules are and how my meta will adapt to them. I remember people making a big deal about Escalation, but at my FLGS we've had zero games of Escalation ever played.

Adapt my tactics accordingly. Play a variety of lists to find my comfort zone. Play against a variety of lists to gain experience with them.

Far too many rumors, all of which sound bad in all sorts of crazy ways. i dont believe the unbound is a thing, as it sounds like a house rule not a normal rule.

People think allies are bad as it is for balance, Unbound if its true would be 100000x worse. Every race has unit they cant spam because they require troops or more FOC slots, if that restriction goes away.....then the game becomes even more of a rock paper scissors balance. Its almost that way as it is, but luck of the dice and good tactical play can avoid some of it.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Unbound is a joke and nobody takes it seriously. It's not a game, it's just "throw everything on the table and roll some dice". If you like this and always wanted to do this - why the heck didn't you before?

Seriously... I havent posted here in a while, but it struck me as odd that the GW employees didnt think to play a game like that just for fun. There is no need to make it an official rule.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Option H: Play incredibly fluffy fun lists that were previously either impossible or too restrictive to be done "properly"

Like mentioned above, there was nothing stopping you and your opponent from agreeing to this before the game. I did it all of the time with my friends.

Probably be extremely wary of pick up games, If I drop a standard FOC list for a pickup and some douche drops down 7 Riptides and says "unbound" Ill probably say "No game."

Probably force me to pre-plan games with certain players. Also depending on whether or not tournaments allow unbound or not will depend if I go to them.

Oh ho ho...someone just told me that you may still be able to ally in an Unbound list.

So every unit in my Tau armies, Dark Eldar armies, or Space Marine armies will have access to Divination psykers for re-rolling goodness!

All the allies and dataslates and min/max shenanigans people already do right now is futzing with the FOC to take the maximum amount of crazy stuff with the least necessary junk. Unbound just means people can drop all the list-building gymnastics and just play what they wanted to play in the first place without the troop tax they were forced to take.

That's something I'll never understand that some people and tournaments get frothingly hung up on. Troops. Why exactly does the game lose all this apparent tactical appeal when you kick out the most boring and uneven guys in the books? Every codex has wildly different levels of power for their troop choices, so it's certainly not to maintain balance.

Forcing in a bunch of filler guys with bad guns whose only purpose is to stand on flags and try not to die is (imho) bad design. Especially when taking more filler guys with bad guns than your opponent means you win in certain random scenarios. Especially when your particular codex's troops are cheaper and more durable than your opponent's troops, or you get ranged troops and they have nothing but assault troops that have to choose between sitting on the flag or attacking.

People moaning about fighting 7 riptides or 15 heldrakes or the dreaded 20 Warbosses on Bikes V-formation should consider that nothing is stopping you from switching out all your troop choices for more units that can blow up whatever is currently being typed about in an angry fashion on the internet. And if you just refuse to leave the tac marines at home, at least wait and see what buffs you get for sticking to the FOC before howling on the internet about the most current Worst Thing Ever.

 Badablack wrote:
All the allies and dataslates and min/max shenanigans people already do right now is futzing with the FOC to take the maximum amount of crazy stuff with the least necessary junk. Unbound just means people can drop all the list-building gymnastics and just play what they wanted to play in the first place without the troop tax they were forced to take.

That's something I'll never understand that some people and tournaments get frothingly hung up on. Troops. Why exactly does the game lose all this apparent tactical appeal when you kick out the most boring and uneven guys in the books? Every codex has wildly different levels of power for their troop choices, so it's certainly not to maintain balance.

Forcing in a bunch of filler guys with bad guns whose only purpose is to stand on flags and try not to die is (imho) bad design. Especially when taking more filler guys with bad guns than your opponent means you win in certain random scenarios. Especially when your particular codex's troops are cheaper and more durable than your opponent's troops, or you get ranged troops and they have nothing but assault troops that have to choose between sitting on the flag or attacking.

People moaning about fighting 7 riptides or 15 heldrakes or the dreaded 20 Warbosses on Bikes V-formation should consider that nothing is stopping you from switching out all your troop choices for more units that can blow up whatever is currently being typed about in an angry fashion on the internet. And if you just refuse to leave the tac marines at home, at least wait and see what buffs you get for sticking to the FOC before howling on the internet about the most current Worst Thing Ever.

Nothing's stopping me except a feth load of money for a bunch of overpowered models, which incidentally is GW's sole purpose behind this whole thing. So no. Just no.

 PotentiallyLethal wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Option H: Play incredibly fluffy fun lists that were previously either impossible or too restrictive to be done "properly"

This option please

My Vespid shall blot out the sun!

Seems like a good opportunity to create that Dustwing army I've been dreaming about with nothing but Mark of Tzeentch Terminators with Veterans of the Long War and power fists led by Ahriman, with a Level 1 Tzeentch Terminator Sorcerer in each unit.

LET'S DO THIS.

but I can't score. :(

You might not need to score - besides not yet having any idea what bonuses/drawbacks you have for a battle tested list vs an unbound one, there's also the new objective system being implemented. So if someone brings nothing but helldrakes, they might be able to flame the hell of anything on the board, but if they can't accomplish any of the needed objectives, and they can't manage to table you...

If Unbound is true, which I honestly think it is at this point, then I will quickly become a TO at my flgs. Just so that I can make sure there are Unbound tournaments going on, it just seems like it would crazy and enjoyable. I probably would make a point that people should bring their most powerful things so that people don't end up getting out matched, and I'll probably have to make the tournaments free at first with prizes just to get people interested in trying it.

There wasn't a poll option for "refuse to play unbound armies, and follow the rest of the rules as normal."

It won't really bother me if unbound are kept completely separate from battleforged. Kind of like Magic's type-2/standard and vintage formats. As long as the "real" games are still the battleforged ones.

6th is already unplayably broken, so breaking it further changes nothing. So people will now legally field 10 riptides as a 1850 pts army. Whatever.

Talk to the other human being, like I do now, to make sure I'm happy and they're happy. It isn't that difficult

If unbound is true, you can bet your anus I'll have exactly the same lists as before for my AM, and not a single appearance of my CSM army.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
6th is already unplayably broken, so breaking it further changes nothing. So people will now legally field 10 riptides as a 1850 pts army. Whatever.

*Refuses to play*


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Although, remembering what my friends typically play with me, unbound is just going to legitimise our tank battles, kill-team variations, and Zombie horde mode/Conscript charge.

It depends on how counts as is going to be handled in 7th ed. If it will be the way it is now , then I think am going to play a lot more warmachine .

Well, I'll finally have an excuse to build my Skaven while praying GeeDubs leaves fantasy alone....

A lot of people marking "Not really care I'll carry on much as normal". Funny. Same here.

If you are a fluffy player, the game is already broken regarding the FOC. So breaking it further is not that important. And if you play competitive, you have been trying to min-max all lists, so it is just business as usual, just more options for you.

Finally, as someone addicted to House Rules, I am glad they are doing this. Many people is claiming "the game is broken! perhaps we the players should fix it..." which makes me happy.