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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 17:26:05
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Leaping Khawarij
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This topic has probably been done before especially with how much people talk about how much cooler technology was back in the time of Horus but I am curious none the less.
So if you could just bring one war item, let it be a vehicle, a unit, a piece of wargear, etc. to add to your current army to make them more fluffy or play like the fluff says they should, what would it be?
For me, and this might seem trivial to some, it would be the shields the Imperial Fists used to use to make the Phalanx. It had a bolter slot and made for more defensive positioning for them and still allowed them to fire their bolters. To me, how can you talk about defenses and a phalanx if you don't have them because some reason you stopped using that shield your legion used for so long. Their flagship is called the Phalanx for emperor's sake!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 17:45:36
Subject: Re:If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Rhinos for my Guard army. Those would be nice for Mech Platoons.
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Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
30k Ultramarines: 2000 pts
Bolt Action Germans: ~1200 pts
AOS Stormcast: Just starting.
The Empire : ~60-70 models.
1500 pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 17:51:14
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Volkite guns. Useless in Heresy-era gaming since everyone's Sv 3+, monstrously powerful against Sv 5+ infantry (Guardians, Orks, Guardsmen).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 18:15:03
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Envihon wrote:This topic has probably been done before especially with how much people talk about how much cooler technology was back in the time of Horus but I am curious none the less.
So if you could just bring one war item, let it be a vehicle, a unit, a piece of wargear, etc. to add to your current army to make them more fluffy or play like the fluff says they should, what would it be?
For me, and this might seem trivial to some, it would be the shields the Imperial Fists used to use to make the Phalanx. It had a bolter slot and made for more defensive positioning for them and still allowed them to fire their bolters. To me, how can you talk about defenses and a phalanx if you don't have them because some reason you stopped using that shield your legion used for so long. Their flagship is called the Phalanx for emperor's sake!
That's actually really cool.
In WHFB, the chaos warriors also had notches for their spears. Automatically Appended Next Post: Would a phalanx be of any actual use in modern warfare?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 20:05:00
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Leaping Khawarij
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Maximus Bitch wrote: Envihon wrote:This topic has probably been done before especially with how much people talk about how much cooler technology was back in the time of Horus but I am curious none the less.
So if you could just bring one war item, let it be a vehicle, a unit, a piece of wargear, etc. to add to your current army to make them more fluffy or play like the fluff says they should, what would it be?
For me, and this might seem trivial to some, it would be the shields the Imperial Fists used to use to make the Phalanx. It had a bolter slot and made for more defensive positioning for them and still allowed them to fire their bolters. To me, how can you talk about defenses and a phalanx if you don't have them because some reason you stopped using that shield your legion used for so long. Their flagship is called the Phalanx for emperor's sake!
That's actually really cool.
In WHFB, the chaos warriors also had notches for their spears.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Would a phalanx be of any actual use in modern warfare?
I think it would be, it would make an Imperial Fist firing line with bolters more interesting since it would provide a mobile cover bonus. In the Horus Heresy rules from Forge World they are still allowed to use them because there each Legion has awesome unique things about them, Imperial Fists being Siege Defense Masters and it talks constantly how this was a favored tactic of the Imperial Fists. Forge World took this into account when it comes to balancing issues so it doesn't upset the game. As much as I would want it, who knows what amounts to a mobile ADL could do in game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 20:13:10
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Envihon wrote:Maximus Bitch wrote: Envihon wrote:This topic has probably been done before especially with how much people talk about how much cooler technology was back in the time of Horus but I am curious none the less.
So if you could just bring one war item, let it be a vehicle, a unit, a piece of wargear, etc. to add to your current army to make them more fluffy or play like the fluff says they should, what would it be?
For me, and this might seem trivial to some, it would be the shields the Imperial Fists used to use to make the Phalanx. It had a bolter slot and made for more defensive positioning for them and still allowed them to fire their bolters. To me, how can you talk about defenses and a phalanx if you don't have them because some reason you stopped using that shield your legion used for so long. Their flagship is called the Phalanx for emperor's sake!
That's actually really cool.
In WHFB, the chaos warriors also had notches for their spears.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Would a phalanx be of any actual use in modern warfare?
I think it would be, it would make an Imperial Fist firing line with bolters more interesting since it would provide a mobile cover bonus. In the Horus Heresy rules from Forge World they are still allowed to use them because there each Legion has awesome unique things about them, Imperial Fists being Siege Defense Masters and it talks constantly how this was a favored tactic of the Imperial Fists. Forge World took this into account when it comes to balancing issues so it doesn't upset the game. As much as I would want it, who knows what amounts to a mobile ADL could do in game.
I thought that's what storm shields were for...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 20:51:27
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Leaping Khawarij
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Selym wrote: Envihon wrote:Maximus Bitch wrote: Envihon wrote:This topic has probably been done before especially with how much people talk about how much cooler technology was back in the time of Horus but I am curious none the less.
So if you could just bring one war item, let it be a vehicle, a unit, a piece of wargear, etc. to add to your current army to make them more fluffy or play like the fluff says they should, what would it be?
For me, and this might seem trivial to some, it would be the shields the Imperial Fists used to use to make the Phalanx. It had a bolter slot and made for more defensive positioning for them and still allowed them to fire their bolters. To me, how can you talk about defenses and a phalanx if you don't have them because some reason you stopped using that shield your legion used for so long. Their flagship is called the Phalanx for emperor's sake!
That's actually really cool.
In WHFB, the chaos warriors also had notches for their spears.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Would a phalanx be of any actual use in modern warfare?
I think it would be, it would make an Imperial Fist firing line with bolters more interesting since it would provide a mobile cover bonus. In the Horus Heresy rules from Forge World they are still allowed to use them because there each Legion has awesome unique things about them, Imperial Fists being Siege Defense Masters and it talks constantly how this was a favored tactic of the Imperial Fists. Forge World took this into account when it comes to balancing issues so it doesn't upset the game. As much as I would want it, who knows what amounts to a mobile ADL could do in game.
I thought that's what storm shields were for...
The way they describe them in the fluff they aren't quite storm shields and even I will admit giving Tactical Marines a 3+ Inuv would be pretty unbalanced (even though this is basically what the Legion of the Damned are), also Storm Shields seem more flavored towards being designed for melee combat which is why you usually see them on Terminator Assault squads. They are more somewhere in between Combat Shields and Storm Shields.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 20:58:02
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
avoiding the lorax on Crion
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A way round overpowering would be based on los.
Based on the angle of attack, is if shelf facing cover save +
If not normal pa save
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 21:00:26
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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jhe90 wrote:A way round overpowering would be based on los.
Based on the angle of attack, is if shelf facing cover save +
If not normal pa save
Only problem with that is that a traditional Roman Phalanx has shields going all around the outside of the unit, while men in the middle hold more above their heads, to protect from incoming arrows. If these phalanxes decided to be historically accurate, you're in for a real problem.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 21:04:09
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
avoiding the lorax on Crion
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True, but also a accurate sheild way of working. You might not deploy full phalanx but a line formation or use as hard wall to lead softer assukts
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 21:09:44
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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For me it would have to be squadrons of tanks, being able to take 3 preds for 1 slot is nice, the other fella is the white eyes, I would love to see this loyalist world eater hunting his old legion down through the warp... Infact sod it.. I'm gonna do it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 21:21:09
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Selym wrote:jhe90 wrote:A way round overpowering would be based on los.
Based on the angle of attack, is if shelf facing cover save +
If not normal pa save
Only problem with that is that a traditional Roman Phalanx has shields going all around the outside of the unit, while men in the middle hold more above their heads, to protect from incoming arrows. If these phalanxes decided to be historically accurate, you're in for a real problem.
That's a Testudo, not a Phalanx.
A Phalanx was what Hoplites formed into, which only faced to the front.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 21:23:30
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Grey Templar wrote: Selym wrote:jhe90 wrote:A way round overpowering would be based on los.
Based on the angle of attack, is if shelf facing cover save +
If not normal pa save
Only problem with that is that a traditional Roman Phalanx has shields going all around the outside of the unit, while men in the middle hold more above their heads, to protect from incoming arrows. If these phalanxes decided to be historically accurate, you're in for a real problem.
That's a Testudo, not a Phalanx.
A Phalanx was what Hoplites formed into, which only faced to the front.
I need to revise my roman tactics then
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 21:31:12
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Leaping Khawarij
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Selym wrote: Grey Templar wrote: Selym wrote:jhe90 wrote:A way round overpowering would be based on los.
Based on the angle of attack, is if shelf facing cover save +
If not normal pa save
Only problem with that is that a traditional Roman Phalanx has shields going all around the outside of the unit, while men in the middle hold more above their heads, to protect from incoming arrows. If these phalanxes decided to be historically accurate, you're in for a real problem.
That's a Testudo, not a Phalanx.
A Phalanx was what Hoplites formed into, which only faced to the front.
I need to revise my roman tactics then 
And that is what the Imperial Fists did back in the Horus Heresy, a line of Tactical Marines with Shields. It was especially effective when boarding a vessel as a breach team but Imperial Fists were also known to bring it planet-side too. I am suspecting that the Codex Astartes is what the real reason for the disappearance of this tactic since Rogal Dorn eventually gave in and became an example of the Codex. Its too bad he didn't keep resisting, maybe they would of stuck around and I can't see any reason why they wouldn't still be useful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/13 21:35:39
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Drakhun
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And in a case of history repeating itself, the swifter moving alien forces would smash into the flank of the phalanx and pry out the tasty marines inside.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/14 17:46:24
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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welshhoppo wrote:And in a case of history repeating itself, the swifter moving alien forces would smash into the flank of the phalanx and pry out the tasty marines inside.
Imagine Daemons meeting those shields... If fluff was kept up, the daemons would just slide through the shields and armour, and do whatever the warp they want
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/14 18:08:00
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
avoiding the lorax on Crion
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Given j have templers, though could stretch fluff, say I can equip one of my sqauds as sheilds for assult spearheading. Give them that bit more chance of getting them through the killzone intact
Impirial fist successor :-)
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/14 18:52:44
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Three Color Minimum
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i for one would like this set of armor to be brought back,prehaps as a special Flesh Tearer First Company squad
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/14 19:05:02
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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Alan Bligh
OT: The removal of the Codex Astartes. I'd like each chapter to be more unique.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/14 19:05:33
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Jinx Magiga wrote:i for one would like this set of armor to be brought back,prehaps as a special Flesh Tearer First Company squad
The armor looks great but that face looks so...derpy.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/14 19:54:40
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Eldarain wrote:Alan Bligh
OT: The removal of the Codex Astartes. I'd like each chapter to be more unique.
Luckily many veteran SM players disregard the codex astartes as a mindless pile of grox droppings, and have a personalized chapter.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/14 20:02:04
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Leaping Khawarij
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Eldarain wrote:Alan Bligh
OT: The removal of the Codex Astartes. I'd like each chapter to be more unique.
That is probably one thing that my wanting of those shields is. Barring the Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Space Wolves, I would like this as well but it would make game balancing another issue. This is probably why Forge World's Horus Heresy campaigns are so compelling to me but trying to find someone who plays 30k vs. 40k is difficult.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 00:05:18
Subject: Re:If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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I'm surprised noone has brought this up yet: those shields from the OP actually do exist in 40K. Take a look at the Siege Assault Vanguard army list. While they're not the same as the 30K boarding shields, the siege mantlets are probably better.
Anyway, what do I want from 30K added into 40K?
Volkite weapons.
And the Tactical Support Squads to use them.
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One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 01:44:00
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Traitor legion rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 02:20:29
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Dakka Veteran
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How would those shields play out against all the armor piercing weaponry in 40k? It would kind of be cool if there was a 2+ armor save vs the direction they are facing, but that's not really in the rules for the game as it stands, and would lead to tons of arguements
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 05:18:39
Subject: Re:If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
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Scarab Occult Terminators. Actually, they probably exist, there just aren't models for them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 05:37:35
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Fixture of Dakka
Chicago, Illinois
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The whole idea behind Consuls and how their upgraded to Librarian etc...
It just feels right.
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If I lose it is because I had bad luck, if you win it is because you cheated. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 14:09:49
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Screaming Shining Spear
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I'd bring the old pre-Unforgiven Dark Angels forward. This small issue has caused them to act in a way that doesn't fit with their founding ideals.
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7,100 pts Yme-Loc Eldar(Apoc Included) / 5,700 pts (Non-Apoc)
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Record for 7th Edition -
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 15:15:12
Subject: Re:If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Leaping Khawarij
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Tannhauser42 wrote:I'm surprised noone has brought this up yet: those shields from the OP actually do exist in 40K. Take a look at the Siege Assault Vanguard army list. While they're not the same as the 30K boarding shields, the siege mantlets are probably better.
Anyway, what do I want from 30K added into 40K?
Volkite weapons.
And the Tactical Support Squads to use them.
You just made me froth at the mouth dude. Sadly it is still Forgeworld so I would need to ask permission of the player to use it but that is awesome. Re-roll failed armor saves is pretty wicked. Automatically Appended Next Post: changerofways wrote:Scarab Occult Terminators. Actually, they probably exist, there just aren't models for them.
A friend and I were talking about this to bring an actual Thousand Sons army instead of just the ilk Ahriman carries with him. Our ultimate outcome is that it would be too powerful since each would have the powers of a Librarian and be just a "regular" marine but then I suggested it be similar to what they did for Grey Knights and each have one psyker power given to a squad based on which cult they came from. The psyker powers from Grey Knights don't overpower them but provide an edge. Corvidae have prescience, Pyrae have a flame-breath, Pavoni have a melee buff (To give them assault capabilities), Athanaeans have a telepathic debuff and Raptora have a shield they could put up. It could be really interesting and provide a different way of establishing different roles that we use weapons to define a group now. The Sacrab Occult Terminators could do the same, although that was harder due to the fact that each came from a different cult.
If the Thousand Sons played like that or even in 30k they played like that, I would totally have that be my army. It's too bad the only ones they can bring in is Ahriman and his Rubric.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/17 14:34:24
Subject: If You Could Bring One Thing from the Horus Heresy to the 41st Millennium, what would it be?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Munga wrote:How would those shields play out against all the armor piercing weaponry in 40k? It would kind of be cool if there was a 2+ armor save vs the direction they are facing, but that's not really in the rules for the game as it stands, and would lead to tons of arguements 
Why not just use the rules for Bullgryns or Deathwing Knights- as mong as 2 or more models with boarding shields are in btb, those models get +1 T or +1 armor save, whichever you like.
Hollismason wrote:The whole idea behind Consuls and how their upgraded to Librarian etc...
It just feels right.
Yes. It is a great mechanic, and allows for not just things like librarians/chaplains/techmarines, but could allow for various masters of the chapter. Tons of flexibility with a single base statline
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