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Total war - then you are a lone voice, railing against vast empirical evidence otherwise.

Your limited anecdotes, in games where you were cheated, dont allow you to come to the conclusions you have done.

I especially love the "ID always" wraithguns (1/6th chance) compared t the "always fails" (or 50% fails) of the novacharge. As well as your list ignores the obvious buffmander to get TL, ignores cover and MH/TH, or ovesa star, etc,

I physcially don't own a support commander (monies) and I take Shadowsun because of the lore. So I would never take Farsight and her in the same army for any reason.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
@Trystis

Okay. Use your eyes.

Look at my profile.

Now glance down and see the list of armies with the points attached to it.

Note that Tau are not even largest army I own and nor are they most played.

Riptides are not good. If you said I could pay the points and put them in my dark eldar or nid lists then I would say no; because it offers nothing beyond being tough to kill (assuming no ID shinanigans)

None of that is going to make up for your lack of knowledge about what opponents can do.

If you don't like Riptides stop taking them. It's your opinion and you are definitely entitled to it, but you should also probably stop trying to convince the internet that their bad. The evidence that your using is terrible. Like the example with the nova reactor

You have a 33% chance to fail a your nova reactor which you apparently fail all the time, yet you also have a 33% chance of saving any wound which you never do. You have the same odds to fail the reactor as to make a save, but you act like you will always fail both.

The serpents shield has no AP value so while it ignores cover you would still get your armor save.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
I physcially don't own a support commander (monies) and I take Shadowsun because of the lore. So I would never take Farsight and her in the same army for any reason.

So, when told "how to beat Eldar" your response is "but I dont want to beat them that way"

Sorry, dont post threads if you dont like the answers. And the empirical proof is that a) your contention that the riptide is bad is wrong. Flat out, wrong and b) you need to up your knowledge of other codexes, You can do this by asking to see your opponents special rules in their codex, and just spending 5 monutes on the internet.

With how much information he's glazing over, I think he's just trolling the community at this point.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
I physcially don't own a support commander (monies) and I take Shadowsun because of the lore. So I would never take Farsight and her in the same army for any reason.

So not only do you rely on bad anecdotal evidence to challenge common and long ago determined consensus but you complain about losing when you don't even ask if someone is cheating so hard they could eat the whole damn pumpkin patch (monofilament on an energy weapon should have been a red flag), then you flatly refuse advice given to you and then say you're bringing a fluff army to a presumably highly competitive tournament.

I think we're about done here.

So, you say Riptides are awful. Every disagrees with you due to almost two years of evidence to the contrary? Even saying "They're alright" is a huge understatement. They're so good compared to what every other army has that it's almost comical.
You're not going to convince anyone that they're awful.
So, you next try to explain how you lost, but what you're saying shows an almost fundamental lack of knowledge about the rules.
Then when people offer you really good advice on how to beat Eldar you dismiss it without a thought

So....what's the point of your thread? Tell us in simple terms.

 MWHistorian wrote:
So, you say Riptides are awful. Every disagrees with you due to almost two years of evidence to the contrary? Even saying "They're alright" is a huge understatement. They're so good compared to what every other army has that it's almost comical.
You're not going to convince anyone that they're awful.
So, you next try to explain how you lost, but what you're saying shows an almost fundamental lack of knowledge about the rules.
Then when people offer you really good advice on how to beat Eldar you dismiss it without a thought

So....what's the point of your thread? Tell us in simple terms.

He came here to piss & moan. He has never had a truly valid argument & the more he talked, the more evident that became. He made poor decisions had some appaling dice rolls & is trying to convince us (& himself it sounds like) that not only are Riptides crap but that Eldar are an unbeatable force on the field that lay waste to entire armies w/ a couple of sepents & a WK.

He even came out & said that Tau are his least played army, yet until the tourney, has never lost w/ them. Point seems pretty clear...

~Vryce

 MWHistorian wrote:
So, you say Riptides are awful. Every disagrees with you due to almost two years of evidence to the contrary? Even saying "They're alright" is a huge understatement. They're so good compared to what every other army has that it's almost comical.
You're not going to convince anyone that they're awful.
So, you next try to explain how you lost, but what you're saying shows an almost fundamental lack of knowledge about the rules.
Then when people offer you really good advice on how to beat Eldar you dismiss it without a thought

So....what's the point of your thread? Tell us in simple terms.

RIptides are over hyped compared to other things in the Tau army. If you've seen fusion-plasma suits shred tanks and elite infantry in the first turn with 2+ cover then my view on this isn't difficult to understand. I know they are over hyped because in my circle of friends they have all went on for ages about how OP riptides are without ever having played a game against them. The one who has, when I asked him, said he didn't really think much of the one riptide I had as all it did was tap a few wounds off some tomb spiders with its ion.

My own experience with riptides is that they either waddle about soaking up fire or waddle about killing themselves with their nova reactor. The absolute best I have ever done with a riptide was when I shot down two vendettas loaded with troops. But that was luck and the guy I was playing was right to say so given the AV of both the vendetta.

Eldar are over powered. See the Seer council on jetbikes as an example.


I am not dismissing the advice of getting a support commander, missile sides or crisis teams with two missile pods as effective counters. I only dismiss the Shadowsun/farsight combo coz thats just plain stupid. Its because I physically don't have the money to buy those extra models if I wanted to conform to wsywig (in friendly games its irrelevant of course as I could just use a regular XV8 to represent any weapon combo, a commander or a missileside). So I am asking if there is a counter I could use with my current army as it is.

Well I if you want to know how a casual tau list can beay a competitive eldar list ot really cannot be done in the same way a casual BT list cannot beat a competitive tau list.

 Vryce wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
So, you say Riptides are awful. Every disagrees with you due to almost two years of evidence to the contrary? Even saying "They're alright" is a huge understatement. They're so good compared to what every other army has that it's almost comical.
You're not going to convince anyone that they're awful.
So, you next try to explain how you lost, but what you're saying shows an almost fundamental lack of knowledge about the rules.
Then when people offer you really good advice on how to beat Eldar you dismiss it without a thought

So....what's the point of your thread? Tell us in simple terms.

He even came out & said that Tau are his least played army, yet until the tourney, has never lost w/ them. Point seems pretty clear...

~Vryce

No I came second in a previous tournie. Most of the friendly games I have played have been with my dark eldar or my tyranids, the last of which I have played over multiple editions.

The number of Tau games with 6th ed I played is 11 games played with 2 defeats

Tau and Tau vs Dark Angels and Dark Eldar - Tau win

Tau vs Dark Angels - win

Tau vs Dark Angels - win

Tau vs Tau - win (just)

Tau vs Guard - win (just) Tournie game

Tau vs Ravenwing - win (just) Tournie game

Tau vs Orks - win Tournie game

Tau vs Necrons - win (just)

Tau vs Eldar - loss major Tournie game

Tau vs Astra Militarum - win Tounrie game

Tau vs Eldar - loss major Tournie game

This is over like two years and the first three battles were all on one day.

So you continue to play riptides, even though you 'think' they are p*ss and awful?

This would confirm you're either trolling, lying or delusional.

End of the day, if you genuinely think riptides are poor, you're a bad player. Period.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

 Xerics wrote:
Actually...

Autarch: Warp jump Generator, Scorpion Chainsword, Banshee Mask, Fusion Gun
Warlock x2
Guardian x11: Star Cannon
Guardian x10: Star Cannon
Guardian x10: Star Cannon
Crimson Hunter Exarch
Warp Spiders x10
Swooping Hawks x5
Swooping Hawk Exarch, Sunrifle
WraithKnight
Warwalkers x3: Scatter Laser, Scatter Laser, Star Engines

1500 points

No reason to ever have swooping hawks unless its a 6 man squad.

There are 6 in there. 5 normal and 1 Exarch.

Wait till the new rules drop to make sure what the new deal is out there before spending more money.

My marines cry when they face Riptides. If it passes its Nova, it kills whatever it wants (I play Power Armor-heavy). If it fails, it can still do damage. Either way, t6 2+/5++ with lots of wounds is really hard for them to remove.

My Footdar can usually torch the Riptides support, making its firepower manageable. However, it can usually kill anything but a Wraithknight, Serpent, or Council. And short of Wraiths or Councils, riptides are still usually not feasibly killed.

You ran into some currently OP builds at a tourny, but you refuse to look at it rationally. The Riptide is amazing, but it's not quite point-and-click.

Also, did bringing a Tau gun line to one tpurny lead to escalation in the next?

Bharring wrote:
My marines cry when they face Riptides. If it passes its Nova, it kills whatever it wants (I play Power Armor-heavy). If it fails, it can still do damage. Either way, t6 2+/5++ with lots of wounds is really hard for them to remove.

My Footdar can usually torch the Riptides support, making its firepower manageable. However, it can usually kill anything but a Wraithknight, Serpent, or Council. And short of Wraiths or Councils, riptides are still usually not feasibly killed.

You ran into some currently OP builds at a tourny, but you refuse to look at it rationally. The Riptide is amazing, but it's not quite point-and-click.

Also, did bringing a Tau gun line to one tpurny lead to escalation in the next?

An overcharged IA kills scoring units and most elites dead. The Nova charge can be used to get a 3++ or fly across the board with a thrust move.

Obvious troll is obvious.

At this point I would just say I was a troll to save face. You look slowed in this thread. Are you like 8? Or are you seriously this dense?

nemesis464 wrote:
So you continue to play riptides, even though you 'think' they are p*ss and awful?

This would confirm you're either trolling, lying or delusional.

End of the day, if you genuinely think riptides are poor, you're a bad player. Period.

In all fairness, Riptides rely on support to become truly terrifying. That shouldn't be hard at all with Tau, but 'tides do become more manageable for your opponent if they first take out the support.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Eldar are over powered. See the Seer council on jetbikes as an example.

It's also expensive.

3 HQs at 350 points, plus 50 points per Warlock, you are looking at 400-1050 points in a single unit. The only surefire counter to something like that is an equally expensive unit.

Or Imperial Knights, but I don't think they actually exist.

He's obviously just trolling. As noted, the fact that he glosses over posts that absolutely crush his point, like saying nova charges "always fail" with a 33% chance while wraith-cannons "always ID" with a 16% chance, are proof enough that he's not actually interested in having a discussion. He's just fething with the forum.