X-Men: Days of Future Past Discussion *Spoilers*

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**timetowaste85**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Ouze wrote:
I dunno, I think I agree with Scotty - Cyclops has pretty much always sucked, at least up to when I stopped reading right (right after the X-Tinction Agenda, so a while ago).

Cyclops used to be my favorite X-men when I was little... then I grew up and discovered Gambit.

It's okay, you're keeping it in the family, at least. Gambit is the gene-spliced clone of Cyclops and Mr. Sinister. And to any possible naysayers, Chris Claremont (the guy who created Gambit) said so. So it's fact. Read X-Men: The End for the full story. Yes, I'm aware it's an alternate future because they can't ACTUALLY kill a cash-cow like the xmen, but the only alternate timeline portion is this tail-end part. The background of every character remains accurate to who they are. Cyclops has a very big (and often disturbed) family tree.

**generalgrog**

I thought the movie was entirely mediocre.

I agree with what has been said about the Mystique factor. I thought she was way overplayed, and I don't remember mystique being such a main character when I used to read comics. Thought she was a bit player.

Magneto was really cool, and so was quicksilver, but the rest of the movie was kind of meh.

I was looking forward to the futuristic scenes, but it all seemed just thrown in there..well just because.

And how did I miss apocolypse? Was there am aftercredits scene?

GG

**timetowaste85**

Yes, there was an "after credits" thing. And Mystique was part of the team that attempted to assassinate Senator Kelly in the classic story. Destiny was the one who pulled the trigger in that story, but they had Mystique do it here so a highly recognizable character was involved instead of a name only comic readers knew. It was the right call.

**Medium of Death**

I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. Possible the best comic book film ever. Yes, i'm serious!

Spoiler:

Automatically Appended Next Post:

The Soundtrack was a particular highlight for me throughout the film.

Edit again: Did I mention how great this film was?

**Ahtman**

Spoiler:

Have they ever really followed the comic stories that closely in the films?

**Medium of Death**

I don't think they have.

Edit: Well they haven't. Certainly parts have, but others have been changed. I don't think it's a bad thing to switch things up for a Movie adaptation as long as the themes and characters stay mostly the same.

Spoiler:

**chaos0xomega**

timetowaste85 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Ouze wrote:
I dunno, I think I agree with Scotty - Cyclops has pretty much always sucked, at least up to when I stopped reading right (right after the X-Tinction Agenda, so a while ago).

Cyclops used to be my favorite X-men when I was little... then I grew up and discovered Gambit.

It's okay, you're keeping it in the family, at least. Gambit is the gene-spliced clone of Cyclops and Mr. Sinister. And to any possible naysayers, Chris Claremont (the guy who created Gambit) said so. So it's fact. Read X-Men: The End for the full story. Yes, I'm aware it's an alternate future because they can't ACTUALLY kill a cash-cow like the xmen, but the only alternate timeline portion is this tail-end part. The background of every character remains accurate to who they are. Cyclops has a very big (and often disturbed) family tree.

I dont know how this makes me feel...

**Medium of Death**

That's perhaps how they will introduce Sinister in the next film then. It might change to Alex, rather than Scott, as being the source though.

**pities2004**

Medium of Death wrote:
I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. Possible the best comic book film ever. Yes, i'm serious!

Spoiler:

The Mystique Connection: Utter brilliance for moving the film along at an enjoyable pace. All main forces had a connection to her so it was imperative that we followed her more. It makes sense that it would be her DNA that would lead to a major breakthrough for the future Sentinels. She has the ability to visually mimic others but what other power is down in her family tree and could possibly be unlocked through further research? Rogue's ability to absorb powers.

Very happy with the ending, it's great to see the previous films retconned as this allows us to have a pretty blank slate when it comes to the next film.

I loved the various mutants in action and particularly enjoyed the future Sentinels dispatching them so ruthlessly. Their dropships were cool as all hell. Genuinely enjoyed the future scenes with their Future War vibe. Slight disappointment that the Sentinels never spoke. It did give them a horrific edge though.

Fassbender as Magneto was glorious, when he gets his cape and outfit he just looks like a badass. Even when he's being bad you just have to like him. You can't not like Magneto, he's reactionary but it makes sense for him to be that way.

Really looking forward to the next film, hopefully they keep the same writing/directing combo because they knocked it out the park.

Here's the post-credit scene if you missed it. Really hoping we see Sinister in the next film. I guess it's guaranteed if Apocalypse is in it?

Automatically Appended Next Post:

The Soundtrack was a particular highlight for me throughout the film.

Edit again: Did I mention how great this film was?

Well in that case, McDonald's has the healthiest food in the world.

Have you not seen "The Avengers?"

**Medium of Death**

Care to expand on that?

I have seen the Avengers.

EDIT:

The Avengers while enjoyable is certainly nowhere near Days in terms of story, characters or theme.

**timetowaste85**

Days is FAR more gruesome than Avengers. I liked the poster saying to see it before taking kids. This could have pulled an R rating, if they were so inclined: it was really only missing blood and nudity. Everything else was there, and some of the lack of blood was more disturbing: future X-deaths where bodies were just obliterated. This movie had a few scenes that made me chuckle, but wasn't as jovial as Avengers. It was definitely more badass.

**Hulksmash**

Overall I enjoyed Avengers more. That said I enjoyed it more because it was part of an excellent universe and felt like a major chapter in an excellent novel.

On the balance DoFP is probably a better "movie" from a stand-alone perspective if you don't include the universe of either leading up to it or even if you just include First Class.

However, in their respective universes DoFP is just a start in the right direction and doesn't hold a candle to Avengers.

**Medium of Death**

What is the plot to The Avengers movie?

Loki wants to get the Tesseract because... then suddenly Space Men from another dimension...? That's honestly all I remember. I like Iron Man in the film, just because it was nice to see him being awesome like in Iron Man and not in Iron Man 2 (or after the Avengers in No. 3).

**gorgon**

Medium of Death wrote:
What is the plot to The Avengers movie?

Loki wants to get the Tesseract because... then suddenly Space Men from another dimension...? That's honestly all I remember. I like Iron Man in the film, just because it was nice to see him being awesome like in Iron Man and not in Iron Man 2 (or after the Avengers in No. 3).

Well, that's because the plot is paper-thin.

However, it was an accomplishment by Whedon to bring those characters together and have them all work well onscreen. It was fun and slickly done, and RDJ did his part to keep the thing afloat...as always.

**-Shrike-**

Honestly, even after seeing Avengers a week ago, I couldn't tell you what the plot really was.

DoFP was much better written, and is definitely the best X-Men movie so far. Fassbender was a badass as always, the future scenes were really grim, and the little references here and there (Quicksilver: "My mum used to know someone like that" and him holding Wanda later on) made it a brilliant movie IMHO.

**Ahtman**

It is becoming a bit of a problem in comic movies that setting up the next film is more important than the film itself.

**-Shrike-**

Ahtman wrote:
It is becoming a bit of a problem in comic movies that setting up the next film is more important than the film itself.

I think the worst offender so far has been The Amazing Spiderman 2. Not only did they cut out most of the scenes in one of the trailers, the ending just felt sloppy, and I walked away disappointed. DoFP, on the other hand, wa a great sequel to First Class which simultaneously rebooted and finished off all of the films after X1.

**Medium of Death**

I don't think that was the intention with this film certainly. Obviously we have the teaser for Apocalypse at the end, but other than that it feels like a whole experience.

Marvel are churning them out a bit on the Avenger end and it just seems like you're not missing much if you choose to skip them.

Speaking of other comic book Movies. I never realised Blade had went back to Marvel/Disney control.

Spiderman/Blade crossover with Morbius in it to reboot Blade would be nice.

NSFW: That intro tho...

Hard to imagine any Marvel film going down the R/18 path now. Not that it's necessary really, can provide some epic scenes though.

**Ahtman**

-Shrike- wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
It is becoming a bit of a problem in comic movies that setting up the next film is more important than the film itself.

I think the worst offender so far has been The Amazing Spiderman 2.

I was going to say that but decided not to.

**gunslingerpro**

I thought the film was excellent overall. Bringing back Singer and the original Composer (who's name escapes me) made noticeable improvements.

A few points I've come across after reading interviews:
-The next film is slated to take place in the 80s.
-Quicksilver is holding Polaris. Wanda is upstairs (deleted scene).
-Rogue originally had a much bigger role (deleted scene), and she is how the Sentinels gain their power replicating ability.

**timetowaste85**

How is rogue supposed to have a large role when she was 16 or so in 99, when the first movie took place? If its 83, she's a newborn. Also, Lorna has green hair, Wanda had red. That would be weirder than not making them twins in my book (despite being twins in Avengers universe, stupid companies can't work together). So...I think your piecing together is faulty. If the younger sister "Peter" (feth, it's Pietro, Singer!!) was holding had green hair, I'd agree with your thought. So I'm gonna say probably not.

**Medium of Death**

I imagine Rogue would have had a larger role in the future scenes.

Mystique is Rogue's mother so that could be used to explain how they got the power duplicating ability.

**BobtheInquisitor**

When did that revelation come out in the comics? Is there anyone she didn't birth?

**Ahtman**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
When did that revelation come out in the comics? Is there anyone she didn't birth?

I think it was back in the 90's somewhere, but not 100% on that.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Around the time when there were two Psylockes? Because that's about when I gave up on comics.

**gunslingerpro**

timetowaste85 wrote:
How is rogue supposed to have a large role when she was 16 or so in 99, when the first movie took place? If its 83, she's a newborn. Also, Lorna has green hair, Wanda had red. That would be weirder than not making them twins in my book (despite being twins in Avengers universe, stupid companies can't work together). So...I think your piecing together is faulty. If the younger sister "Peter" (feth, it's Pietro, Singer!!) was holding had green hair, I'd agree with your thought. So I'm gonna say probably not.

Rogue was the focus of a future fight scene when she is freed from a prison camp or some such. Also, Wanda is still his twin, just upstairs. Their mother says something to the little girl like 'go bug your sister'.

These are all from Singer interviews, had I the link on hand I'd post it. Take your doubt elsewhere.

**H.B.M.C.**

I think a lot of this film was left on the cutting room floor. The Blu-Ray should be interesting.

**reds8n**

probably a better fit here than in the general comics thread

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05/29/would-marvel-really-cancel-fantastic-four-to-snub-fox/

Well this is an interesting one. Recently we ran a piece looking at the absence of comic book characters associated with Fox Studios on the Marvel 75th Anniversary Magazine cover, in favour of the likes of the Inhumans and Captain Marvel.

Well, now I’m being told from a Marvel source that Marvel are intending to put the Fantastic Four comic books on hold, both Marvel Universe and Ultimate. The characters will still appear, but in other folks’ books such as Inhuman and Avengers. And that artwork featuring the Fantastic Four is even being taken down in the company offices.

Twentieth Century Fox pretty much has an eternal claim on Fantastic Four and X-Men movies, if they keep making them, after the deal was done during Marvel’s bankruptcy days, with very little benefit to Marvel.

The belief inside the higher echelons of Marvel is that promoting these properties in comics only benefits Fox’s movies at the expense of those from Marvel Studios. Which is why the Inhumans are being pushed as mutant replacements in the Marvel Universe. And Marvel have been pushing Avengers, Guardians Of The Galaxy and other comics over the X-Men. And while X-Men comics remain solid sellers, they are no longer the focus of internal promotion unless, as with the upcoming AXIS event, the Avengers get equal billing.

If this story is true, we should be able to watch for an absence of Fantastic Four from upcoming solicitations. Will we get an Ultimate FF for September? The August solicitations seem rather final…

ULTIMATE FF #6
(W) Joshua Hale Fialkov (A/CA) Andre Araujo
• The ULTIMATE UNIVERSE’S worst nightmare approaches
• Jump into the future of the Ultimate Universe as the DOOMSDAY CLOCK counts down.
• The END of the FUTURE FOUNDATION.
8/13/2014 $3.99

The Fantastic Four is Marvel’s longest running comic book and is the foundation of the Marvel Universe. Created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in 1961, even if its sales have varied, it’s considered the cornerstone of the comic books. What will happen if it goes away…?

Marvel gave an “no comment” when approached.

Seems unlikely to me and Spiderman -- which Sony has the movie rights for -- is front and centre still.

But, even with the movie, does see a bit odd that the X-books aren't having a bigger role.

There's been some oddities with the Inhumans recently too
-- http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05/28/welcome-to-marvels-nuhumans-could-that-be-the-movie-name/

"Nuhumans" as a term sounds a plausible work around/replacement term for mutants.... for the films and any/all TV shows.

With all the talk about Marvel doing their own " Crisis on...." I wonder if they might in fact spin the X-men/mutant characters off into their own continuity/world -- which might work better from Marvel/Disney's perspective and one could argue that if this means the only people with powers in that continuity are mutants it would help re-establish the mutants are a threat/to be feared angle which, at times, is perhaps drowned out or watered down by the presence of XXX ( excuse the pun) other non mutant superpowered people.

**Sasori**

So who is exicted for..

Spoiler:

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Medium of Death wrote:

Mystique is Rogue's mother

Adopted... unless they've made a massive retcon in the past couple of years I missed.

Still not happy with a lot of Singer's choices when it comes to the characters in the X-films, but I didn't mind First Class... so fifty fifty on if I will watch this or not.

Will be very interesting in seeing if Marvel has the bottle to put the FF on hold mind... they are obviously getting frustrated and I guess all legal avenues are proving pointless.