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 Kain wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Troike wrote:

Eihnlazer wrote:
Thrown on a planet with no way to get supplies or backup, 20 marines will certainly kill 10,000 ork boys before they die

I think that's overestimating the Marines just a bit...

It depends. I could totally see 20 Marines from Space Marine do that.

And Space Marine is just as canon as anything else.

Captain Titus' player must have some seriously loaded dice.

Enemy count on hard difficulty is over a thousand, and Titus is never meant to die.
It's also really easy to bag 1000+ kills in multiplayer with a thunder hammer.

So from that discussion, we can rule out Genestealers and Captain Titus.

However, the entirety of the Blood Angels Chapter is now also in the runnings.

 liquidjoshi wrote:
So from that discussion, we can rule out Genestealers and Captain Titus.

However, the entirety of the Blood Angels Chapter is now also in the runnings.

Good summary

Hehe. Sangunius (I totally just butchered his name... Sorry BA players.) can take on Horus, but a standard Blood Angel, nay, the entire chapter of Blood Angels, can't neutralize a Space Hulk? No wonder I could never beat that PC game..

My question is how do you define "Basic Infantry"?
I mean when you only have two choices, it generally isn't too hard (between Scouts and Tac Marines, the Marines are the basic Troops, as Scouts are still in training). But when you have 5 different units that are Troops (like Tyranids), which one is the basic?

I think it's kind of "What is the defining image of the army?". Like, for Space Marines, you expect to see more Tactical Marines as troops. For Orks it's generally the Boyz. IG is Guardsmen, Eldar is Guardians (again, generally speaking), Tau it's Fire Warriors, so on.

With 'Nids, I'd guess it's Hormagaunts or Termagants.

 Noremac wrote:
Hehe. Sangunius (I totally just butchered his name... Sorry BA players.) can take on Horus, but a standard Blood Angel, nay, the entire chapter of Blood Angels, can't neutralize a Space Hulk? No wonder I could never beat that PC game..

Wirndoejw they DID cleanse it. They just lost like, 50 terminators. It was the first company. NOT THE ENTIRE CHAPTER.

 raiden wrote:

 Noremac wrote:
Hehe. Sangunius (I totally just butchered his name... Sorry BA players.) can take on Horus, but a standard Blood Angel, nay, the entire chapter of Blood Angels, can't neutralize a Space Hulk? No wonder I could never beat that PC game..

Wirndoejw they DID cleanse it. They just lost like, 50 terminators. It was the first company. NOT THE ENTIRE CHAPTER.

Did you not read the mission book or the quotes I provided?

They specifically said that they lost nine hundred and fifty marines to the Sin of Damnation.

No ambiguity, no room for doubt.

 Flinty wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
Of course in the original Space Hulk if a stealer reached you you were uberly fethed, instead of just ignoring them and then beating them down at I 1

I've never understood why the hell they even send in terminators to fight genestealers besides high radiation if the space hulk is close to a star. Otherwise you're sending the worst possible unit imaginable to fight bullet timing super reptile bugs that pretty much have lightning claws for hands. You'd save yourself a lot of men and equipment if you just sent in Devastator squads armed with heavy flamers and grav weaponry to completely neutralize the advantages of Genestealers and turn them into sitting ducks.

I thik you're coming at this from the wrong angle. They don't send Terminators into space huilks to fight genestealers specifically. They send in terminators in becasue they are the de-facto best tunnel fighting troops in the Marine arsenal and they can handle a wide range of possible scenarios. It just so happens that the GW games and a lot of the associated background focus on the times when they come up against genestealers.

Except that Genestealers are the well known for inhabiting Space Hulks, if not are their main occupants. Sending terminators to fight genestealers is as tactically sound as sending an M1 Abrams tank into the New York subway. Heavy armor like Terminators is poorly suited for CQC, they're better off in an open field for maximum maneuverability.

Kain. I have googled every instance of space hulk, and in EVERY instance it is the plot line that you are a 1st company terminator, never does it mention any other company. So idk what you are quoting.


wyzllia- well yea, in a sense , but in reality terminator armor should be resoundingly resilient to genestealer claws (40k reality) if you take a battle cannon shell to the chest and can keep on chugging those fleshy gibits of claws will have a hard time scrarchig it. All the while in close confines those power fists are not easy to dodge.

 raiden wrote:
Kain. I have googled every instance of space hulk, and in EVERY instance it is the plot line that you are a 1st company terminator, never does it mention any other company. So idk what you are quoting.


wyzllia- well yea, in a sense , but in reality terminator armor should be resoundingly resilient to genestealer claws (40k reality) if you take a battle cannon shell to the chest and can keep on chugging those fleshy gibits of claws will have a hard time scrarchig it. All the while in close confines those power fists are not easy to dodge.

You are leading the 1st company which is avenging the eradication of 95% of the Blood Angels boarding a space hulk in the Secoris system six hundred years before the game's missions take place. They took down twelve thousand genestealers despite everything that could go wrong for them well...going wrong for them. But ultimately the mission was a complete disaster and it took them six hundred years to rebuild.

Says so right here in the 3e (3e of Space Hulk, not 40k) mission book.

That would be the G'Gugvuntt and Vl'hurg who, after millennia of warfare, realized that the grave insult that had sparked the war had, in fact, originated from the Milky Way, and thus joined forces to extinguish all life in this galaxy.

They crossed vast reaches of space in a journey lasting thousands of years before reaching their target where they attacked the first planet they encountered, Earth. Due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was swallowed by a small dog. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy states that this sort of thing happens all the time.

 Kain wrote:

Genestealers are perhaps the most common inhabitants of space hulks, outstripping even Ork Waaaghs in transit and Chaos Warbands.

Space Hulk looters are often the genesis of Genestealer infestations that can corrupt whole worlds.

You got any source on that?

Wait. The first company killed 12,000 genestealers????

I don't know man... I don't know.

Tabletop:

4th Edition: Advantage Genestealers
5th Edition and Beyond: Advantage Blood Angels

 raiden wrote:
Wait. The first company killed 12,000 genestealers????

Unsurprising really. Genestealer infestations on spacehulks can grow really really big when given time, and it helps if the spacehulk is in the planetoid size area, which isn't too rare given the size of ships that typically comprise spacehulks.

So now Space Hulks have entered the ring. Gotta say, a Guardsman is probably worse than a hulk, sans sentience

Chaos Daemon Furies and Tyranid Gargoyles.

Seriously, why do these things exist? I hear the Gargoyles can blind, but the Daemon Furies? Why are they there?

Furies are a fast attack that daemon players choose to straight up ignore.

However there are a handfull of daemon players who use furies with mark of slaanesh. It is the only way they can possibly be useful.

 gwarsh41 wrote:
Furies are a fast attack that daemon players choose to straight up ignore.

However there are a handfull of daemon players who use furies with mark of slaanesh. It is the only way they can possibly be useful.

Because they have the worst stat-line ever? XD I don't think 50 of those things would make them worth a bean, even against Cultists or melee Guard. They're just cannon fodder and food for the battlefield.

WS 3 BS 0 S 4 T 3 W 1 I 4 A 1 LD 2

So, insta-kill on S6, 1 wound, at least with I 4 they'll get to strike sometimes, but then lose combat and your done dead. lol

Still better than grots

 Flinty wrote:
Still better than grots

I'd be willing to agree with that, if it weren't for the multiple functions of grots like Ammo runners and Artillery spotters, things of that sort. At least they have a utility. Even in the Codex, Furies are written as "barely sentient things that go 'poof' in the winds of the Formless Wastes."

 TheRedWingArmada wrote:
Chaos Daemon Furies and Tyranid Gargoyles.

Seriously, why do these things exist? I hear the Gargoyles can blind, but the Daemon Furies? Why are they there?

Because everyone wants to field Daemons with less balls than Grots in a valuable FA slot that are screwed the instant they ever have to roll on leadership for anything.

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 Kain wrote:

 TheRedWingArmada wrote:
Chaos Daemon Furies and Tyranid Gargoyles.

Seriously, why do these things exist? I hear the Gargoyles can blind, but the Daemon Furies? Why are they there?

Because everyone wants to field Daemons with less balls than Grots in a valuable FA slot that are screwed the instant they ever have to roll on leadership for anything.

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I have a theory... it involves Chaos Undivided getting retconned out of existence and Furies being their most well-known unit.

Breaking them thus making them completely useless makes easier for the people to accept that they are no longer 'important', so they will not be missed when the next Codex arrives.

I was like: Ld 2!? Seriously? I have 20 of them! ლ (ಠ益ಠ) ლ