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Well...she has a nice belt on

You know, while we're on the subject of feminism, what does her looks have to do with the story at all? The whole "stop objectifying women" ring any bells to anyone?

Im more concerned that the feminist extremist view out there seems to be that all men are rapists in the making, and that we don't know anything else.

How the hell do you come to that conclusion? especially when you have men whom campaign against rape as well. It just says something for the sanity and intelligence of these individuals that they will keep on rolling the all men are rapists train long after all the evidence to the contrary has forced it to stop.


Top marks for miss Nevada BTW, she is hot

 master of ordinance wrote:
Im more concerned that the feminist extremist view out there seems to be that all men are rapists in the making, and that we don't know anything else.

Okay, you are trolling, right?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Im more concerned that the feminist extremist view out there seems to be that all men are rapists in the making, and that we don't know anything else.

Okay, you are trolling, right?

No there is a strain of that, especially on college. Its all over the higher ed stuff.

EDIT:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/06/12/feminists_and_their_daddy_issues_122960.html

 master of ordinance wrote:
Im more concerned that the feminist extremist view out there seems to be that all men are rapists in the making, and that we don't know anything else.

That finally makes sense now, it explains why I just had a giant bowl of rape flakes for breakfast and why I don't feel properly rested until I rape at least 10 people a day... all this time I never knew that just because I had a penis I was a natural born rapist. It's all so clear now.


Yes humor impaired people that's heavy sarcasm, I've never raped anyone nor even considered it, unlike what those wack jobs would contend simply because I'm male.

Well, what do you/they mean by all men are rapist in the making? Because obviously, “human are all potential rapists”, along with “humans are all potential murderers” is just logical truth (even though for most people it would take a pretty extreme situation to go from potentially to actually). But they are not something one would usually say. So, what is the reasoning this phrase is a part of? What is their actual message?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Well, what do you/they mean by all men are rapist in the making? Because obviously, “human are all potential rapists”, along with “humans are all potential murderers” is just logical truth

Who cannot think of an extreme situation where you have no other choice but to rape your attacker?

 Sigvatr wrote:
Who cannot think of an extreme situation where you have no other choice but to rape your attacker?

Who is speaking about an attacker?
I am pretty sure in a very, very theoretical situation involving immersion into a very different mindset and/or intoxication and/or sleep deprivation and/or a bunch of other factor that can make you act in ways very, very different from what you are currently used to, you could be led to rape some. And so could I. Happily this theoretical situation is extremely unlikely to happen.

Why does everybody seem so upset about that idea? Do you feel like people are accusing you of raping someone?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Who cannot think of an extreme situation where you have no other choice but to rape your attacker?

Who is speaking about an attacker?

When saying "everyone is a potential murderer", you usally refer to people in emergency situations being able to kill another human being. Not applicable to rape.

 Sigvatr wrote:
When saying "everyone is a potential murderer", you usally refer to people in emergency situations being able to kill another human being.

Well, I said murderer, not killer. I mean a murderer. Killing in self-defense is not murder, is it?
Beside, I never said it was the same situations that would trigger both murder and rape…

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Well, what do you/they mean by all men are rapist in the making? Because obviously, “human are all potential rapists”, along with “humans are all potential murderers” is just logical truth (even though for most people it would take a pretty extreme situation to go from potentially to actually). But they are not something one would usually say. So, what is the reasoning this phrase is a part of? What is their actual message?

It's more that, in these deluded individual's minds, ALL men already ARE rapists... we have already committed the crime, we just haven't been caught or reported yet.

Are you not just building some strawman here ?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Well, what do you/they mean by all men are rapist in the making? Because obviously, “human are all potential rapists”, along with “humans are all potential murderers” is just logical truth (even though for most people it would take a pretty extreme situation to go from potentially to actually). But they are not something one would usually say. So, what is the reasoning this phrase is a part of? What is their actual message?

The view is that all men are predisposed towards rape simply because they are men (of course, women can't rape, obviously. ), and that they need to be educated about it and told not to rape for them not to rape.

Edit: I find this picture funny and I am not arguing in support of their argument

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

Spoiler:

Edit: I find this picture funny and I am not arguing in support of their argument

That has got to be one of the most pointless, stupid arguments I've ever heard. It's not worth the energy that went into typing this sentence.

 -Shrike- wrote:
The view is that all men are predisposed towards rape simply because they are men

Really? I mean, is it not being raise in some form of rape culture that does that? Usually that is what I head feminists saying.
And, well, it is true that the culture in which we are raised have a big influence on us.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
The view is that all men are predisposed towards rape simply because they are men

Really? I mean, is it not being raise in some form of rape culture that does that? Usually that is what I head feminists saying.
And, well, it is true that the culture in which we are raised have a big influence on us.

Well, usually the extremist feminists I've seen have said what I wrote. Some of the more normal feminists might have focussed on rape culture as a problem, but that's not what this conversation is about.

EDIT: Post 666, and it's about rape. Hmm...

Anyone using the term "rape culture" to make a point should be considered not worth your time to begin with. Like, really. That term would refer to a culture that's focused around rape. And...come on.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Anyone using the term "rape culture" to make a point should be considered not worth your time to begin with. Like, really. That term would refer to a culture that's focused around rape. And...come on.

Or a culture which does not treat rape seriously enough, or views getting someone drunk enough to have sex with you as acceptable.

 -Shrike- wrote:
or views getting someone drunk enough to have sex with you as acceptable.

But this assumes that the female has no choice in anything. Last I checked both men and women gravitate towards bars to meet people.

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
or views getting someone drunk enough to have sex with you as acceptable.

But this assumes that the female has no choice in anything. Last I checked both men and women gravitate towards bars to meet people.

Yes, they gravitate towards bars to meet people. If one (or both, but then it's really messy) of them is drunk to the point at which they can no longer give informed consent, then having sex with them is rape, and viewing that as acceptable is what I mean when I refer to rape culture.

 -Shrike- wrote:

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
or views getting someone drunk enough to have sex with you as acceptable.

But this assumes that the female has no choice in anything. Last I checked both men and women gravitate towards bars to meet people.

Yes, they gravitate towards bars to meet people. If one (or both, but then it's really messy) of them is drunk to the point at which they can no longer give informed consent, then having sex with them is rape, and viewing that as acceptable is what I mean when I refer to rape culture.

Actually here in the states, the general view (depending on location) is that as soon as alcohol enters the equation, a party cannot give consent

 -Shrike- wrote:

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
or views getting someone drunk enough to have sex with you as acceptable.

But this assumes that the female has no choice in anything. Last I checked both men and women gravitate towards bars to meet people.

Yes, they gravitate towards bars to meet people. If one (or both, but then it's really messy) of them is drunk to the point at which they can no longer give informed consent, then having sex with them is rape, and viewing that as acceptable is what I mean when I refer to rape culture.

The moral of the story is don't pick up chicks at a bar unless you too are drunk

 -Shrike- wrote:

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
or views getting someone drunk enough to have sex with you as acceptable.

But this assumes that the female has no choice in anything. Last I checked both men and women gravitate towards bars to meet people.

Yes, they gravitate towards bars to meet people. If one (or both, but then it's really messy) of them is drunk to the point at which they can no longer give informed consent, then having sex with them is rape, and viewing that as acceptable is what I mean when I refer to rape culture.

I don't know anyone who actually views that as acceptable. I know there are people who do that, but I have never heard anyone actually suggest that it was an okay thing to do.

What if they're both drunk? What if he's more drunk? What if its the last day on earth before the aliens come?

So, if a woman gets into a club to get laid (sober) and picks up an attractive-looking guy (who had a few drinks)...how many people would think that she was guilty of raping him?

The entire thing looks way different vice versa.


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 Frazzled wrote:
What if its the last day on earth before the aliens come?

Space police. Clearly.

 Hordini wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
or views getting someone drunk enough to have sex with you as acceptable.

But this assumes that the female has no choice in anything. Last I checked both men and women gravitate towards bars to meet people.

Yes, they gravitate towards bars to meet people. If one (or both, but then it's really messy) of them is drunk to the point at which they can no longer give informed consent, then having sex with them is rape, and viewing that as acceptable is what I mean when I refer to rape culture.

I don't know anyone who actually views that as acceptable. I know there are people who do that, but I have never heard anyone actually suggest that it was an okay thing to do.

I've had the misfortune of meeting several people who do that (except at parties, not at a bar), and then boast about it afterwards, saying stuff like "Yeah, man, everyone got totally fething wasted last night, and I got laid by this drunk I met there."

 -Shrike- wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
or views getting someone drunk enough to have sex with you as acceptable.

But this assumes that the female has no choice in anything. Last I checked both men and women gravitate towards bars to meet people.

Yes, they gravitate towards bars to meet people. If one (or both, but then it's really messy) of them is drunk to the point at which they can no longer give informed consent, then having sex with them is rape, and viewing that as acceptable is what I mean when I refer to rape culture.

I don't know anyone who actually views that as acceptable. I know there are people who do that, but I have never heard anyone actually suggest that it was an okay thing to do.

I've had the misfortune of meeting several people who do that (except at parties, not at a bar), and then boast about it afterwards, saying stuff like "Yeah, man, everyone got totally fething wasted last night, and I got laid by this drunk I met there."

And those kind of people are absolutely despicable (assuming that they're talking about taking advantage of drunk girls, and not just hooking up with drunk girls who also want to have sex), but the fact that such people exist doesn't indicate that we live in a rape culture. "Teaching" those people that rape is wrong isn't going to do anything either, because they obviously don't give a crap.

How is that despicable (from your quote)? If they're both drunk and neither passes out (hence incapable of giving consent) how is that despicable?