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 paulson games wrote:
As part of the black belt form for 1st dan (degree) there's a movement referred to as monkey steals peach, which is literally grabbing hold with a crushing fist, twisting, then ripping the guys balls off. Which would tend to deter somebody real fast.

Yeah. Keep in mind most rapes come from family or friends. People you might actually give a second thought about ripping out the balls off. That is the whole problem, and why so many people are arguing that self-defense is usually not the right answer, as far as I understand it.

Why?

Why what?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
As part of the black belt form for 1st dan (degree) there's a movement referred to as monkey steals peach, which is literally grabbing hold with a crushing fist, twisting, then ripping the guys balls off. Which would tend to deter somebody real fast.

Yeah. Keep in mind most rapes come from family or friends. People you might actually give a second thought about ripping out the balls off. That is the whole problem, and why so many people are arguing that self-defense is usually not the right answer, as far as I understand it.

Huh?

So the chicks should just let it happen simply because they know their attackers?

Dafuq?

Here, my apparent blood-thirsty mindset is kicking in... RIP THEIR BALLS OFF and shove it where the sun doesn't shine, especially if the attacker is known.

A family member or somebody close trying to rape, murder, or harm somebody should be treated no differently then any other criminal as they're obviously violating every level of trust and IMO they should be treated with every bit of pain or genital mutilation they are deserving of.

Dad or boyfriend tries to rape you? IMO that's an even worse violation of trust then if a stranger attacks you.



Anyone that tries should be subject to:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
If you, however, simply assume that every man is a potential rapist, that's a whole different case. That's a deeply irritating behavior that rings all alarm bells for immediate psychologic attention.

No. No, because you have no real reason to believe otherwise, do you?

Yes, common sense. Assuming every man to be a rapist is as irrational as any behavior can be if coming out of the blue.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Why what?

Why does that matter? You are entitled to self defense even against relatives.


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 paulson games wrote:
A family member or somebody close trying to rape, murder, or harm somebody should be treated no differently then any other criminal as they're obviously violating every level of trust and IMO they should be treated with every bit of pain or genital mutilation they are deserving of.

Dad or boyfriend tries to rape you? IMO that's an even worse violation of trust then if a stranger attacks you.



Anyone that tries should be subject to:

What Paulsen said, although the first pic looks like ninja is trying some inappropriate ticklage there!

Just to be careful though: stealing the peach (or anything similar...like really.) is to be used carefully. If you just feel like the other person might harass you without him / her actually trying to physically overcome you and you use such a move, you're in for heavy bodily injury and are looking forward to a long time in prison along with paying injury award for the rest of your life with whatever job you might find with such a criminal record.

Okay, let me just quote HiveFleetPlastic to get an idea of how an hypothetical rape can take place.

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
So if I'm in college and I go to a party (and this is a nice party full of reputable students) and I have a bit to drink and I feel nice and a friend comes up and sits next to me and we talk a little, and he's sitting close next to me but we're friends so that's okay, and then he puts his arm around me in a hug and that's sweet and I'm smiling and feeling nice and not really noticing his arm is up against my breasts and then his hand goes down my pants, I'm wondering at what stage in this process do I punch him in the balls and how doing so rewinds time to make it all not have happened (and how I protect myself from retaliation by him afterwards, like when he goes around and tells everyone what a bitch I am, including possibly making up a story about how I led him on and who knows what else).

I feel creeped out even writing that.

At which point do you rip the guy's ball off, and how do you explain to the other people around you why you have his balls in your hand and is pissing blood on the carpet.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Okay, let me just quote HiveFleetPlastic to get an idea of how an hypothetical rape can take place.

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
So if I'm in college and I go to a party (and this is a nice party full of reputable students) and I have a bit to drink and I feel nice and a friend comes up and sits next to me and we talk a little, and he's sitting close next to me but we're friends so that's okay, and then he puts his arm around me in a hug and that's sweet and I'm smiling and feeling nice and not really noticing his arm is up against my breasts and then his hand goes down my pants, I'm wondering at what stage in this process do I punch him in the balls and how doing so rewinds time to make it all not have happened (and how I protect myself from retaliation by him afterwards, like when he goes around and tells everyone what a bitch I am, including possibly making up a story about how I led him on and who knows what else).

I feel creeped out even writing that.

At which point do you rip the guy's ball off, and how do you explain to the other people around you why you have his balls in your hand and is pissing blood on the carpet.

At which point do you use common sense?

 Sigvatr wrote:
Yes, common sense. Assuming every man to be a rapist is as irrational as any behavior can be if coming out of the blue.

Assuming any man could be a rapist and you have no way to know beforehand is pretty damn rational if somebody you really had no way of guessing that he was a rapist has raped you. Or someone close to you. Or someone not so close to you.
Therefore, assuming any man could be a rapist, and taking appropriate protection is not that irrational.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Just to be careful though: stealing the peach (or anything similar...like really.) is to be used carefully. If you just feel like the other person might harass you without him / her actually trying to physically overcome you and you use such a move, you're in for heavy bodily injury and are looking forward to a long time in prison along with paying injury award for the rest of your life with whatever job you might find with such a criminal record.

That's the beauty of proper training in self defense, they teach you a variety of stuff from simple punches that can be used a "feth-off" type warning all the way up to lethal techniques (at higher levels). One of the key things they teach is how to gauge situations before they ever arise. Despite having a 2nd dan I've walked away from far more fights then I ever did prior to training, those that I did commit to usually meant there was no alternative and people got seriously fethed up for pushing it. As I'd mentioned before a huge portion of the women's defense courses that we taught was focused on situational awareness which helps avoid conflict to begin with, it's not all about ripping of balls or tearing out eyes, although that sure as hell can come in handy when pressed.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Yes, common sense. Assuming every man to be a rapist is as irrational as any behavior can be if coming out of the blue.

Assuming any man could be a rapist and you have no way to know beforehand is pretty damn rational if somebody you really had no way of guessing that he was a rapist has raped you. Or someone close to you. Or someone not so close to you.

Oh come on, you even quoted my post.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Yes, common sense. Assuming every man to be a rapist is as irrational as any behavior can be if coming out of the blue.

 Sigvatr wrote:
out of the blue.

 Sigvatr wrote:
out of the blue.

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 paulson games wrote:



That's the beauty of proper training in self defense, they teach you a variety of stuff from simple punches that can be used a feth off warning all the way up to lethal techniques (at higher levels). One of the key things they teach is how to gauge situations before they ever arise. Despite having a 2nd dan I've walked away from far more fights then I ever did prior to training, those that I did commit to usually meant there was not alternative and people got seriously fethed up for pushing it. As I'd mentioned before a huge portion of the women's defense courses that we taught was focused on situational awareness which helps avoid conflict to begin with, it's not all about ripping of balls or tearing out eyes, although that sure as hell can come in handy when pressed.

Precisely, exalted. I've been teaching self-defense for quite a few years now

It's something a lot of people, including at least one in this very thread, simply do not (want to) understand: self-defense isn't KIYAHAAAA BALLS OFF. It's so much more.

I mean, even at the most basic level self defense involves learning how to stay calm, and how to analyse a situation. That's just damn useful stuff, it doesn't mean you're going to rip the bollocks off your boyfriend.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Oh come on, you even quoted my post.[…]

 Sigvatr wrote:
out of the blue.

Sorry, what do you mean here?
Here is what Wiktionary says about this expression :
“unexpectedly; without warning or preparation”.
What kind of warning or preparation did you meant?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Oh come on, you even quoted my post.[…]

 Sigvatr wrote:
out of the blue.

Sorry, what do you mean here?
Here is what Wiktionary says about this expression :
“unexpectedly; without warning or preparation”.
What kind of warning or preparation did you meant?

And in this context, it is used to mean that there is no trigger for such behaviour, no traumatic event has occurred to the person in question.

Well, even without living the traumatic event yourself, just having someone close to you live it could be enough. Or, to a lesser degree, having read a lot of testimony of strangers having lived through them. I mentioned that in my previous comments.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Well, even without living the traumatic event yourself, just having someone close to you live it could be enough.

Man, that would be totally out of the blue then!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Okay, let me just quote HiveFleetPlastic to get an idea of how an hypothetical rape can take place.

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
So if I'm in college and I go to a party (and this is a nice party full of reputable students) and I have a bit to drink and I feel nice and a friend comes up and sits next to me and we talk a little, and he's sitting close next to me but we're friends so that's okay, and then he puts his arm around me in a hug and that's sweet and I'm smiling and feeling nice and not really noticing his arm is up against my breasts and then his hand goes down my pants, I'm wondering at what stage in this process do I punch him in the balls and how doing so rewinds time to make it all not have happened (and how I protect myself from retaliation by him afterwards, like when he goes around and tells everyone what a bitch I am, including possibly making up a story about how I led him on and who knows what else).

I feel creeped out even writing that.

At which point do you rip the guy's ball off, and how do you explain to the other people around you why you have his balls in your hand and is pissing blood on the carpet.

That's a question that they address in women's defense courses, it may seem surprising but a lot of women don't actually know where to draw a line when they entering into a situation where rape can occur. The actual notion that they can be raped doesn't even occur to some women (particularly teenagers and college students). There's many times where younger girls in our classes were completely clueless about such dangers and their responses were to the effect of "people/men would actually do stuff like that?" particuarly when talking about the dangers posed by parties and drinking/drugging.

It also teaches them to be calm and confident, which gives them the mindset to be forceful in protesting such advances. Even if it's a sharp NO! it can often deter less forceful attempts at rape, not all date rape is the result the guy going bat gak crazy and overpowering the girl, many times it happens because she's intimidated and doesn't know how to respond.

If things go beyond that then she can respond in kind with increasing levels of protest and apply defense techniques if he doesn't back off.

Hostile intent in other people is not that hard to figure out when you've had the presence of mind to study and prepare for such things in advance, as you know what warning signs to look for.


The largest asset that defense courses offer is awareness, which is invaluable in combating rape. Awareness to the threat, understanding what it is, and educating others in ways to help stop it before it occurs. The combat defense methods are a secondary aspect, 90% of defense training is all mental.

I think that a lot of the women that were so up in arms about Miss Nevada's comment have severe misconceptions about what women's defense courses are about as based on their statements they certainly haven't attended any. Being that they claim they want to help empower other women I think they'd find it helpful to know those things. ::Shrug::



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 Sigvatr wrote:
Man, that would be totally out of the blue then!

So, just to recapitulate. When some traumatic event has happened to you, it is not out of the blue. When some traumatic event has happened to someone you know, it is not out of the blue. When some traumatic event has happened to some people you do not personally know, but you have read about their experience, it is either not out of the blue, or you just conveniently left that out when quoting me. I guess that it is only out of the blue if you have never ever heard about rape in your whole life or something, then.

I agree. The line between it happening to someone close to you and reading about it on the internet certainly is fine and blurry.

If you go about your life considering every man to be a rapist just because you read some testimonies, you have some serious mental problems. Which I believe might have been the original point.

 -Shrike- wrote:
If you go about your life considering every man to be a rapist just because you read some testimonies, you have some serious mental problems. Which I believe might have been the original point.

Precisely. If reading a newspaper article about someone getting shiv'd at night, am I suddenly supposed to become all angsty and assume that everyone is a potential attacker armed with a shiv? Come on.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
If you go about your life considering every man to be a rapist just because you read some testimonies, you have some serious mental problems. Which I believe might have been the original point.

Precisely. If reading a newspaper article about someone getting shiv'd at night, am I suddenly supposed to become all angsty and assume that everyone is a potential attacker armed with a shiv? Come on.

Yes. Come on man aren't you an inquisitor? Anybody might be a heretic!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Okay, let me just quote HiveFleetPlastic to get an idea of how an hypothetical rape can take place.

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
So if I'm in college and I go to a party (and this is a nice party full of reputable students) and I have a bit to drink and I feel nice and a friend comes up and sits next to me and we talk a little, and he's sitting close next to me but we're friends so that's okay, and then he puts his arm around me in a hug and that's sweet and I'm smiling and feeling nice and not really noticing his arm is up against my breasts and then his hand goes down my pants, I'm wondering at what stage in this process do I punch him in the balls and how doing so rewinds time to make it all not have happened (and how I protect myself from retaliation by him afterwards, like when he goes around and tells everyone what a bitch I am, including possibly making up a story about how I led him on and who knows what else).

I feel creeped out even writing that.

At which point do you rip the guy's ball off, and how do you explain to the other people around you why you have his balls in your hand and is pissing blood on the carpet.

At what point do you feel uncomfortable because of his actions?
At what point have you told him to stop because you are not comfortable?
At what point have you attempted to prevent him form taking further action (backing away, trying to move his hand from the area in question, etc.)?
At what point have you taken reasonable steps to get him to stop his course of action and due to his pressing the matter further action is warranted?




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 Frazzled wrote:
Why does that matter? You are entitled to self defense even against relatives.

I know people who have defended themselves against people they know. Familiarity does not mean you cannot say no, nor defend yourself.

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
If you go about your life considering every man to be a rapist just because you read some testimonies, you have some serious mental problems. Which I believe might have been the original point.

Precisely. If reading a newspaper article about someone getting shiv'd at night, am I suddenly supposed to become all angsty and assume that everyone is a potential attacker armed with a shiv? Come on.

Yes. Come on man aren't you an inquisitor? Anybody might be a heretic!

Hold on for a second, I'll get my pitchfork and burning torches ready!

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
If you go about your life considering every man to be a rapist just because you read some testimonies, you have some serious mental problems. Which I believe might have been the original point.

Precisely. If reading a newspaper article about someone getting shiv'd at night, am I suddenly supposed to become all angsty and assume that everyone is a potential attacker armed with a shiv? Come on.

Yes. Come on man aren't you an inquisitor? Everybody is a heretic!

Fixed that for you.

 -Shrike- wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
If you go about your life considering every man to be a rapist just because you read some testimonies, you have some serious mental problems. Which I believe might have been the original point.

Precisely. If reading a newspaper article about someone getting shiv'd at night, am I suddenly supposed to become all angsty and assume that everyone is a potential attacker armed with a shiv? Come on.

Yes. Come on man aren't you an inquisitor? Everybody is a heretic!

Fixed that for you.

Innocence means nothing.
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 -Shrike- wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
If you go about your life considering every man to be a rapist just because you read some testimonies, you have some serious mental problems. Which I believe might have been the original point.

Precisely. If reading a newspaper article about someone getting shiv'd at night, am I suddenly supposed to become all angsty and assume that everyone is a potential attacker armed with a shiv? Come on.

Yes. Come on man aren't you an inquisitor? Everybody is a heretic!

Fixed that for you.

How'd you figure out my secret *reveals a mark of tzeentch*
What are you? Undivided, minor god, Slaanesh, Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, or maybe one of those genestealer cults?

(apologies for the slight derail. It just seemed fitting at the time)

 Sigvatr wrote:
I agree. The line between it happening to someone close to you and reading about it on the internet certainly is fine and blurry.

So your idea is to just dismiss the testimony as “Hey, it is never going to happen to me, right? This only ever happens to other people”. And statistics be damned too.

 -Shrike- wrote:
If you go about your life considering every man to be a rapist just because you read some testimonies, you have some serious mental problems. Which I believe might have been the original point.

Do you see a difference between considering every man could be a rapist, and considering every man is a rapist?