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Da Boss wrote: I don't think you're really correct there, but I don't think I'll convince you through argument.
For me, it's about miniscule changes in the set of a brow or the curl of a lip that CAD models don't seem to have, but that the very best hand sculpted minis can manage.
CAD probably produces GOOD miniatures for most purposes much more easily and with less of a requirement for serious talent than hand sculpting. And for certain things, it's excellent. But truly awesome sculpts for human faces and the like still require a very talented hand sculptor.
It's the artist, not the medium. You can actually get MORE detail out of a CAD sculp because you can zoom in and work at whatever size you wish to and you can go back and make changes easier. BoW had an interview last week with Corvus Belli and one of the things they mentioned was making a conscious effort to dial back the level of detail Infinity models have bcause they were too difficult to paint. Case in point, these MaxMini heads are CAD designed 3D prints and have more character than anything you could ever see with hand sculpting.
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Or are you really going to say that this Librarian has any less character than these Librarians? I would also put these girls up against any traditionally sculpted models as well. Many of the CAD models aren't as good because the artists involved aren't as good, but the same is true for traditional sculpts too even within GW's range. Lemartes, Doom Rider, Cortez, Nagash, all of those were terrible models traditionally sculpted and cast.
The Perrys produce amazing models because they're amazing artists. Their chosen medium is being moved away from, but they are masters of it. Sculpters of equal skill working in CAD will produce miniatures just as amazing and detailed and characterful. On a personal level, I'm glad for the Perrys moving away from GW, because I have moved away from GW, and I want to see more Perry plastics because they're both awesome and inexpensive.
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willb2064 wrote: Doesn't bode well for the LOTR and Hobbit lines. Sad times.
I think the last 5+ years haven't really been kind to that entire line...
Interested in seeing what the Perry's do now, and where they go from here.
Maybe in a year or so, if there's a limited non-compete of some sort involved?
Still, should be worth waiting for and exciting!
True. Considering how much money GW made off the 1st release (2000-2004), I've surprised they seem to be treating The Hobbit as an afterthought. Really don't know what will happen when the license expires.
Reckon the Perry's will just concentrate on their impressive historicals line. I also don't think they will be missed by GW as their input involvement in 40k or WFB has been pretty minimal over the last few years.
With the Hobbit done I wonder if their departure also indicates that Warhammer Fantasy (which I presume is all they would really be interested in doing) is still not a big priority for GW
It could be they walked away on their own, but it could be they left as there really wasn't the work for them to do either at GW or Forgeworld as all those are really focusing on is 30/40K
*bursts though room with axe* HEEEAAARRRS JHONNY!!!
I think this is in interesting, because I wonder about the quality of the GW minis as I think they probably had a good hand in many of the sculpts we see today imo..
As for LOTR/Hobbit line it does arise questions, not just in the model but the relationship between new line and GW, as I knew GW only got the license only because of the relationship between Jackson and the Perry's..
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sing your life wrote: The other GW sculptors were making models for Hobbit before the Perrys quit, so they are still making models.
Sure, but the game seems to be dying an accelerated death and I doubt GW is willing to spend money on it beyond what's absolutely necessary to keep to the letter of the licence.
Say what you like about digital vs traditional, I actually think most poor GW minis, certainly in recent history, have failed at the concept stage, and were always going to struggle to achieve any sort of quality in the finished article regardless.
PS I've just checked in with the Slaughterbrute while typing this, and he seems to agree.
Well...he's offering a high 5 ....
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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
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CAD is just a tool.....it's no more or less than the traditional tools of the trade.....what counts is the hand behind the brush.
Plus, I'd be very surprised if ANY sculptor in any industry earns £90K p/a, do you realise what level you need to be in the Automotive industry to get that? I recently turned down £70K and that still costs me sleepless nights!
The Perry Bros are totally ace sculptors. Their historical lines are some of the best done figures ever made. They clearly can adapt to new methods such as plastic if they want to.
As for parting with GW, I imagine it would be a variety of reasons.
They are in their mid-50s now and can start drawing a pension if their funds have done well. I doubt there is much to interest them at GW any more. If GW are going over to entirely CAD-CAM sculpting the Perrys may not be interested and they have a good historicals business to run anyway.
I would say this is good news for people wanting 28mm historical figures.
The Perry Bros are totally ace sculptors. Their historical lines are some of the best done figures ever made. They clearly can adapt to new methods such as plastic if they want to.
As for parting with GW, I imagine it would be a variety of reasons.
They are in their mid-50s now and can start drawing a pension if their funds have done well. I doubt there is much to interest them at GW any more. If GW are going over to entirely CAD-CAM sculpting the Perrys may not be interested and they have a good historicals business to run anyway.
I would say this is good news for people wanting 28mm historical figures.
Absolutely! Have got a ton of their historical miniatures and they are fantastic, hopefully now this will increase the rate of their own ranges. Really can't wait for their plastic men-at-arms later on this year!
So what style of sculpting made the abomination that is the Gorka/Morka-thingy just released?
Because that thing is hideous...
Captain Killhammer McFighterson stared down at the surface of Earth from his high vantage point on the bridge of Starship Facemelter. Something ominous was looming on the surface. He could see a great shadow looming just underneath the waters of the Gulf of Mexico, slowly spreading northward. "That can't be good..." he muttered to himself while rubbing the super manly stubble on his chin with one hand. "But... on the other hand..." he looked at his shiny new bionic murder-arm. "This could be the perfect chance for that promotion." A perfect roundhouse kick slammed the ship's throttle into full gear. Soon orange jets of superheated plasma were visible from the space-windshield as Facemelter reentered the atmosphere at breakneck speed.
jamesk1973 wrote: So what style of sculpting made the abomination that is the Gorka/Morka-thingy just released?
Because that thing is hideous...
The Gorkanaut/Morkanaut are great miniatures
Are you being serious? or facetious?
I reminds of that dog that was so fat its legs couldn't touch the ground.
Captain Killhammer McFighterson stared down at the surface of Earth from his high vantage point on the bridge of Starship Facemelter. Something ominous was looming on the surface. He could see a great shadow looming just underneath the waters of the Gulf of Mexico, slowly spreading northward. "That can't be good..." he muttered to himself while rubbing the super manly stubble on his chin with one hand. "But... on the other hand..." he looked at his shiny new bionic murder-arm. "This could be the perfect chance for that promotion." A perfect roundhouse kick slammed the ship's throttle into full gear. Soon orange jets of superheated plasma were visible from the space-windshield as Facemelter reentered the atmosphere at breakneck speed.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
jamesk1973 wrote: So what style of sculpting made the abomination that is the Gorka/Morka-thingy just released?
Because that thing is hideous...
The Gorkanaut/Morkanaut are great miniatures
Are you being serious? or facetious?
I reminds of that dog that was so fat its legs couldn't touch the ground.
I may be showing my age here, but pretty much like Ferdinand, the dog from the Tom&Jerry movie. So fat it has to move around with a skateboard under it.
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Users on ignore- 53.
If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
No, I was saying I and most people like the new Ork stuff.
No you didn't.
You're back to posting random brain spurts of single sentence posts that need several other posts after people misinterpret whatever you intended as for some reason you simply cannot be bothered to expand upon whatever thought popped into your head.
You refuted his opinion with your opinion presented as a fact. It is not a fact to say the aesthetic appeal of a miniature is objective truth. Post more than once sentence at a time and things like this won't happen. The rest of Dakka is not in your head. We cannot see that author's intent, this is especially prevalent on a text based forum where nobody can see if you're being sarcastic, facetious or simply genuine.
But this is horribly OT....
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If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
Night Lords (40k): 3500pts
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