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Sarcophagus is unlocked, next up is another hero

Crud just started a topic about this KickStarter cause I did not see this one

ced1106 wrote:

 tre manor wrote:
I might have made some different design decisions but ultimately I guess I am judging it by the all together wrong rubric.

Well, hopefully the Conan boardgame will increase interest in not-Conan miniatures appealing more to the non-boardgamers. I've been looking for them, and I can only find not-Conan and not-Sonja figures.

Maybe the gentleman at Red Box Games could put out a few not-Belit sculpts...

Where did you find non-Conan and non-Sonja? I'd totally be interested in them whether I get into this project or not (I'm assuming the mini's will be good for gaming but not for painting/display)

Hasslefree is making a really good Conan like barbarian model. Depends on your taste, of course, but check the Hasslefreesian Facebook page, Kev White's personal page. You can see the green there.

Thanks. I'll have a look whilst trying not to derail any further

Yep Kev's Conan is very Kev and very Conan at once. Great piece.

 tre manor wrote:
Yep Kev's Conan is very Kev and very Conan at once. Great piece.

Couldn't have described it better. That's exactly what it is, lol, very Kev and very Conan.

With the 1 Million milestone coming up today (if funding carries on at the current rate), we've got the next stretch goal images

Warlord Conan by Jacques-Alexandre Gillois





They have also mentioned that there is (hopefully) something special coming today as it would have been R E Howard's birthday today...

People just cannot be happy on Kickstarter.

I went to bed after seeing the $1m SG thinking "wow, that model is awesome and the map is a really cool freebie".

I wake up to see the comments filled with whining about how the map is inaccurate and the axe is too big.

Jesus Christ people, it's fething free...

Well, the map does appear to differ significantly from Howard's sketches. But I am not a Howard scholar or anything.

For a product purporting to be specific to Howard's Conan, I can understand some discussion about the accuracy of the map. If you are courting nerds, it comes with the territory, just like discussions about model quality comes with courting table top wargamers.

Imagine if GW published an inaccurate map of Middle Earth.

Who is saying they are going to back out of the project because the map is inaccurate? Anyone? I haven't read the KS comments. If not, then it is nerds nerding out over a map. That is so common in the fantasy industry it hardly bears special comment. Just because it is 'free' doesn't mean people won't want to point out that ACTUALLY, the coast of Sakezonia is shaped like a floppy donkey .

It has been officially stated that the image is a placeholder, and will be produced in concert with Howardian scholars.

That's the same map that was included in the Conan d20 game from Mongoose. I'm not sure who drew it originally.

EDIT: Didn't see this before posting:

 Alex C wrote:
It has been officially stated that the image is a placeholder, and will be produced in concert with Howardian scholars.

Aha, that's interesting!

So everyone....everyone?...was nerding out a bit too early?

Before, perhaps, it was strictly necessary?

 Trodax wrote:
That's the same map that was included in the Conan d20 game from Mongoose. I'm not sure who drew it originally.

EDIT: Didn't see this before posting:

 Alex C wrote:
It has been officially stated that the image is a placeholder, and will be produced in concert with Howardian scholars.

Aha, that's interesting!

And of course, now I can't find where it was said...

I could have sworn I saw something to that effect, but don't take it as gospel just yet!

EDIT: Apparently it was information from a french forum. My french isn't good enough to find it, but I'm trying to get a confirmation from Monolith.

JAG sculpt is great......but design wise that is still not Conan. Conan would not be caught dead in toy boy armour like that tripe.

.........and the axe is too big.

 Alex C wrote:
the map is inaccurate and the axe is too big.

What? Is Hyborea a real place that we have surveyed via satellite for absolute accuracy in geography and features? Is that the "accuracy" issue? Or is it a political issue, like having a map with the USSR and Burma? Or perhaps colonialism like Rhodesia?

But yes, the axe is too big to be realistic. It looks good on the model, though.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
the map is inaccurate and the axe is too big.

What? Is Hyborea a real place that we have surveyed via satellite for absolute accuracy in geography and features? Is that the "accuracy" issue? Or is it a political issue, like having a map with the USSR and Burma? Or perhaps colonialism like Rhodesia?

But yes, the axe is too big to be realistic. It looks good on the model, though.

Note that I never claimed that.

I don't know what the issue is myself, I think everything so far is great!

Sorry, I was just wondering by what basis the complainers are claiming inaccuracy, as that implies some sort of accurate reference point.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Sorry, I was just wondering by what basis the complainers are claiming inaccuracy, as that implies some sort of accurate reference point.

Something to do with the fact that the map graphic they used in the SG image was from the MMORPG, which apparently differs to Howard's original map in some way. In any event, a Monolith employee apparently confirmed on a french forum somewhere that the image is just a placeholder.

On the plus side, they've just shown the next unlock at $1.01M - Balthus & Slasher


Nice render of the scout, I'm curious what his dog will look like.

Just hit the million mark too!

Regarding the map:

Jamie wrote:Also whilst I'm thinking about it: some of you may of noticed that this map isn't exactly Canon, well spotted Howard fans! It is indeed not entirely accurate and is just acting as a placeholder for the moment. We will be working with the keeper of lore himself, Mr Louinet, to make sure that this is a 100% Howard approved map by the time it is in your hands You'll need some big hands too as it will be printed in A2 format.

1million just broken , on to the next goal fellows. I was camping out trying to be the one to take it above 1,000,000, but missed it by a second. Too busy watching guardians of the Galaxy.

$2m SG announced!

Jamie head-butting a Red Sonja DVD into dust

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Sorry, I was just wondering by what basis the complainers are claiming inaccuracy, as that implies some sort of accurate reference point.

I used that map when I ran Conan the RPG years ago, and thought it was alright. There were a few things that were a bit off as compared to Howard's writings though, IIRC there were a number of cities that were just not in the right location. So on the nerdrage-scale I'd say it had the capacity to elicit a high pitch and slight strain to my voice, but no bubbling saliva or anything like that.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
the map is inaccurate and the axe is too big.

What? Is Hyborea a real place that we have surveyed via satellite for absolute accuracy in geography and features? Is that the "accuracy" issue? Or is it a political issue, like having a map with the USSR and Burma? Or perhaps colonialism like Rhodesia?

But yes, the axe is too big to be realistic. It looks good on the model, though.

No weapon is too big for Conan. Mighty thews are mighty!

OK, thanks, tardigrade.


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Prestor Jon wrote:
No weapon is too big for Conan. Mighty thews are mighty!

And mighty loins are mighty!

Yet we don't have that modeled to match the story, much less overdone for cheap visuals.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
OK, thanks, tardigrade.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Prestor Jon wrote:
No weapon is too big for Conan. Mighty thews are mighty!

And mighty loins are mighty!

Yet we don't have that modeled to match the story, much less overdone for cheap visuals.

My bad I didn't realize that we had to have realistically scaled axeheads in a heroic swords and sorcery game that includes wizards, ape men, swamp demons and giant spiders with skull shaped abdominal growths. RE Howard is not the source you want to use if you're looking for realism.

Yes the axe is too big and the armor is impractical ornamentation but Monolith has chosen to embrace the high fantasy fantastical elements and look instead of a low fantasy grittyness so it's par for the course here.

Here's a larger version of the Balthus sculpt



For those that aren't reading the updates, Howard wrote himself into the Conan stories and called himself Balthus. Much as I love the model, the description of Balthus that they posted from the original text holds no real relation to the sculpt which, as you can imagine, is causing some uproar in the comments

“He was a young man of medium height, with an open countenance and a mop of tousled tawny hair unconfined by cap or helmet. His garb was common enough for that country – a coarse tunic, belted at the waist, short leather breeches beneath, and soft buckskin boots that came short of the knee. A knife-hilt jutted from one boot-top. The broad leather belt supported a short, heavy sword and a buckskin pouch. There was no perturbation in the wide eyes that scanned the green walls which fringed the trail. Though not tall, he was well built, and the arms that the short wide sleeves of the tunic left bare were thick with corded muscle.”

Robert E. Howard - Beyond the Black River

That is a lot of fine detail.

Being PVC, those little undercuts will be OK, tho the mold will have to be tweaked for material shrinkage as the model cools.