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 Compel wrote:
And the Aspiring champion redresses the chaos balance a little too (though I can't help but think that a chaos sorcerer would have been a better move).

A Sorcerer would have required a new plastic mold, as there is no plastic Sorcerer. Throwing the Aspiring Champion in there lets them thin the stockpile they have of the model. Just pop it out of the clamshell and throw the sprue into the box.

yeah

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
I personally think you are acting a bit childish and hyperbolic.

probabily, I'll probabily buy the board too.

Loki-
I imagine it's cheaper to pop one out of the machine while making DV sprues on the factory floor than to de-clam from the warehouse.
But I'm grateful it's not a unique mini that requires another DV purchase!

Panic...

Think we get let you off panic since your seem to be boss at making boards,

Now, I would have been more of a fan of a plastic version of Cities of Death mat.

Being able to see the tiles I do like the hints of what lies beneath. One of the tiles has what looks like the entrance/ lift to an underground bunker.

Go for a themed game that links to an undercity battle on the Zone Mortalis bits for the hardcore GW terrain junkies.*

*Please note that other terrain boards and space corridor systems are available.

Maybe a game of BFG first??

I don't like the board. It looks toy-like and cluttered. I especially dislike how they've put those big archway-shaped reliefs and the massive eagle on there - these parts look like they should be on the walls of a building and just look wrong lying flat on the ground. Not to mention the fact that the reliefs are just the same image copy and pasted three times - how uninspired. Are the citizens supposed to go up in helicopters to look at these?

The Imperialis basing kit is nice, and long overdue, but overpriced. I can get resin bases of equal quality from other manufacturers at a fraction of the price. Here I'd be getting 30 bases for £20, whereas (and this is to name but one example) a few months ago I got 32 urban resin bases from Antenocitis Workshop for about £8 before postage, with the added benefit of being able to use them for any system I like (not crammed with Gothic stylings that restrict them to 40K alone).

In fact, looking at many of GW's latest releases, I think "nice but overpriced" sums up my opinion.

 RedFox wrote:
I don't get all the hate on the new RoB city board

please show me a city board that look better (that I can buy)

Right now? Well I am assuming you are discounting the hand made boards, boards for 6mm and generic scenic stuff. (Like from this company http://wargamesterrainworkshop.co.uk.previewdns.com/?product=fantasy-football-pitch-20-28mm-scale.) That only leaves the two kickstarters who I believe still have pre-orders for delivers in the next few months, so you would have to wait a bit longer than GW.

Secret weapon has the best boards - I am in for the 16 1x1 unique tiles making up the urban cityscape.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084069684/tablescapes-by-secret-weapon-miniatures/posts/762532
The temple and scrapyard sets are also neat.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084069684/tablescapes-by-secret-weapon-miniatures/posts/791530

Am also in for the Games and gear board. Cleaner look and pre-painted.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/554355176/games-and-gears-battle-boards

Now I've seen pictures that don't give me a Magic-Eye type headache I've got to say I like the new RoB urban board. It's not a blasted industrial concrete zone more of a Uphive Boulevard.

With the CoD terrain on top it looks mustard.

50-75 quid cheaper and I'd consider buying one. As it stands I won't.

DV mk2 looks nice too, that I might buy.....again.

To me the RoB board looks like it's not really worth it.

This is a hobby, and if you can't use existing scenery and tools to make a battlefield of your own for less than that price, then why would you pay huge bucks for a template?

I'd rather source a matt and a variety of grim dark parts for any table I hope to build in the future.

Even model railways aren't that limited or extortionate in templates for sets. They expect and encourage some individuality and actually modeling skills.

To pre-package same-same plastic slabs with some aesthetic niggles that some people have an issue with is somewhat of an insult. FAR TOO EXPENSIVE!

The quality of table or size of an army you could make from the referenced price tags are much better use's of time and cash than this glorified kitchen table placemat.

Even if I was stinking rich I wouldn't even eat my dinner off of it as means of throwing money around.

I'd rather build a table myself, and with money not an object, only fill it with GW bits to appease their greedy dark souls.



As for the newly packaged DV set. I was compulsive enough to pay full price for the Aspiring Champion last weekend along with some painting and basing supplies.

Although I need 7th, and more cultists always helps, I loathed the push and click construction. The chaos side of things lends itself better to customisation but without the parts right now I can't justify the price.

I paid €79 for it in store last time. It's €85 on the GW website right now for Ireland. I will wait and see if there's more Sanctus reach campaign sets with rules, hopefully some Imperial Guard that I can use for Renegades. If not I'll sit it all out a bit longer and get the rules or DV via ebay or Wayland games.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Da Butcha wrote:
Flash gits are 10 models max, correct (no book on me at the moment)? I already bought 5. I would buy this if it was cheaper and had 5 Gitz, but it has 5 more gits than I can use in one unit. If it had come out with the Gits, I would have bought it then.

You mean GW didn't check with you first to see if you'd already bought some Flash Gitz? Outrageous!!!

Not really what I meant, but it would be nice once in a while!

My point was that the 'sweet spot' for a release of 10 Gitz, Badrukk, and ammo runts would seem to be the first week of the Flash Gits release. That would get people to immediately buy the package deal if they wanted Badrukk. By releasing the package deal later, you are going to have people who already have all the gits they want, and who will then wait for the release of the ammo runts separately later. These people might also just wait and buy the ammo runts from an online reseller who bought the bundles (which are priced at a discount).

Neither one of those particularly benefits GW. It's odd because it's not overpriced (particuarly), it gives you a discount over the separate purchases, and it looks darn snazzy. All the normal problems with a GW bundle release have been avoided, but they dropped it on the market at an odd, and seemingly disadvantageous time. Did Gits sell more poorly than they expected? Was there a problem with this release that delayed it? It seems weird.

On the Urban ROB board, I am just really disappointed. Not only does it have WAY fewer unique tiles than I think it should, it really, really looks like they just took all the CAD art they had for the Imperium and laid it flat on a tile. Many of the shapes would look cool as walls, or bulkheads, or other vertical features, but really look terrible as a floor. Ironically, if they sold this (at a lower price) as a thinner flat sheet, I would buy it just to cut it up and use all over the place on a board.

But playing on this every week? Bleah. If you thought the skull pits and hills got repetitive, try out aquilas and arches over and over again. Sheesh.

 Compel wrote:

In any case, it's a reasonable price (I can't help but think that Infinity: Operation Icestorm may need to worry about that...), especially compared to Stormclaw.
It brings that vital 11-12 year old never-assembled-a-model-in-their-life market back in. - When Stormclaw was the only release out there it seemed the writing was on the wall for GW.

Stormclaw was "the only thing out there" for literally a week. A week and a half if you count leaks.

Now that they added the Aspiring Champion I am tempted to get Dark Vengeance, the value adds up nicely, and I could actually invite friends over for short games which would be a big plus. Only problem is that I'd have to buy more paint to paint Dark Angels, unless I decided to go Angels of Vengeance instead of first founding colors.

The new ROB board looks ace. 40k is grimdark and gothic. This board hits the mark and especially with the terrain on it in the pics.

Only issue is it is too pricey

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
There is nothing natural about 40k's setting or the aesthetic. Everything is absurdly grand and needlessly ornate in the Imperium, why would the cities be different?

Only if your experience of 40k is limited to the past few years of the 28 years that 40k has been around..

 Panic wrote:

GW's email has basically just informed me that my homemade boring grey board has not fulfilled my dreams.
And GW told me that WarSmiths ultra flat cardboard warboard has not fulfilled my dreams...
GW have decided that G&G's urban board can't fulfil my dreams while it's still in china...
But my dreams can be fulfilled by GW right now!
by their email 'Time to retire the kitchen table!'
oh my poor kitchen table hasn't ever been used for gaming, but Gw demands me I must pay them £200 and sacrifice the kitchen table.

While I realise that you're trying to be facetious or perhaps sarcastic, you're just looking silly. GW sells products, and they're using a normal and frankly - inoffensive way to sell their new product. Everyone selling a product tells you that their product is "the best".

New Citadel Realm of Battle Board! it's an OK surface to play your games on! You might want to consider looking at or even buying one!


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 frozenwastes wrote:
I just remembered an accessory product that might make the basing kit into a good value.

I wonder if they could possibly be used together?

You could do that, but I figure you may as well just buy some urban bases from one of the many places that sell them already.


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Da Butcha wrote:
I don't get the marketing of the Badrukk and Zagstrukk bundles.

Flash gits are 10 models max, correct (no book on me at the moment)? I already bought 5. I would buy this if it was cheaper and had 5 Gitz, but it has 5 more gits than I can use in one unit. If it had come out with the Gits, I would have bought it then.

They increased the unit size of Stormboys from 20 to 30. This bundle has 15. I had 20, and I would have bought this bundle if it was cheaper and had 10, but it comes with 5 more boyz than I can use in one unit.

I can't be the only person who is taking a stormboys unit from old maximum size to new maximum size. I can't be the only person who wanted a single unit of the new gits. It seems like a better size (or more sensible release time) would have captured more sales for them pretty easily. As it is, I'm just hoping that the ammo runts show up somewhere so I can get those. Sigh.

Pretty sure they don't individually check with all of the Ork (marine, space wolf, tyranid, etc) players in the world to see just how many figures they already have and how many they might be tempted to buy in order to customise the bundles for each individual person.

 RedFox wrote:
I don't get all the hate on the new RoB city board
please show me a city board that look better (that I can buy)

It's called personal aesthetic taste. I think the ROB looks like gak. On the other hand, I don't mind if you like it and want to buy it. (we're allowed to like different things - it's ok!) There are two other urban boards that should be released this year. Both are late, but both should(!) be in people's hands by the end of the year. If you prefer the ROB, or if you really want one right now, I don't begrudge you going out and buying one. In fact, I think GW's release of it this board right now is quite smart, and it's going to eat the lunch of SWM's urban boards when people like yourself buy these since the SWM ones are interminably delayed by the production partners (WGF) endless fething about and false time targets.





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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Panic wrote:
Well I'm gonna guess that your not counting the one time GW sold a paper urbanmat 'fit perfectly with your existing Cities of Death terrain' for one day doesn't count, because despite everyone wanting one they refused to make more.

Nope, that isn't a game board. That is a mat. I asked about game boards. And yeah, the streets look different on that mat. That doesn't look like a hive city, but rather a more modern urban center with a bit of 40k imagery added. The upcoming game board looks much closer to the artwork of hive cities than your mat.

It (kind of) fits the aesthetic of the other GW cityscape kits, but they're not practical roads or footpaths, and they don't look like a thing like a Hive City, if you know your 40k background.


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DefiantLambdas wrote:
To me the RoB board looks like it's not really worth it.
This is a hobby, and if you can't use existing scenery and tools to make a battlefield of your own for less than that price, then why would you pay huge bucks for a template?

The hobby has many aspects. Some people don't have the time, talent, desire or inclination to make their own battlefield board. If some people prefer to buy a premade one for whatever price, more power to them.

The rest of your rant is either too personal to matter in the discussion, or outright silly. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

Looky Likey wrote:
Again with the rubbish photos at the start of the week, put money on decent "leaked" photos coming out in a day or so. This is far too much of a pattern not to be deliberate, I really struggle to believe that every single person taking the first set of photos of WD each week only has a potato for a camera, and everybody who takes the second set has a quality DSLR type camera.

Exalted for making me laugh out loud with that potato reference!

The rob looks terrible. The design just makes no sense. At first I thought it was the rubble of buildings, and I was fine with that look. It would work great with the buildings GW makes. But no, that's just the ground. Just what are those arches supporting? This was clearly designed by someone with no knowledge of architecture. I would say it was by someone with a graphic design background, but even that I'm not sure of. This is just such a poor hodge podge of elements, I would never want my name attached to this. If this cad cut and paste job was the best I could do I think I would quit and find a new profession. What's sad is that this could have been great. I have the old ROB and I love it. It hits all the notes it needs to. I don't even mind the random skull pits. This is just one of the ugliest products I've ever seen. Even with only two tiles it shouldn't have been hard to make a functional table.

The moment I laid eyes on it I thought it was illustrated cardboard. After watching their official painting video on it, I feel like this is the slightly-less-rich man's Cityscape. This gives you 6 tiles and a case to put them in for $330. Forgeworld's cityscape gives you six tiles with no case for $480. I consider that difference to make this game board worth it, except for one thing.

There are only 2 actual tiles, you're just getting 3 of each. So if I had to pick one, I'd say if you're going to buy one save up an extra week's pay for the Forgeworld because the difference is worth it.


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EDIT: Upon further analysis, I've seen a silver lining. This Realm of Battle board seems more well suited to a dense (and I mean dense) cityscape. We're talking bowls of a hive city dense.

If you want to basically play in one giant ruined building, then I'd actually say this board is 110% worth it, you'll just need to spend more money on the GW buildings than you did on the board to achieve it. The results, however... Would look glorious. I can not believe Games Workshop didn't see this in their own product. Maybe they should hire me.

 RedFox wrote:
I don't get all the hate on the new RoB city board

please show me a city board that look better (that I can buy)

A lack of something better doesn't make this one any less silly.

Alright. You guys may just hate me for saying this, but this is actually my favorite realm of battle board now. I've been waiting for a board with a dense cityscape ever since I got into this hobby. I've seen a lot of nice boards, but more often than not when it comes to cities I see these flat, featureless rectangular-windows-cut-into-painted-polystyrene grey buildings. We all know that they're just there to get the job done. But this will actually provide a foundation that matches Games Workshop's buildings. Haven't you noticed those buildings never really had a place until Forgeworld came out with their cityscape board? And even then it was (is) so expensive that nobody bought it and you still didn't see those buildings on any cohesive background. They've fixed a problem here, ladies. And I for one am seriously considering buying it.


...When I'm ready.

 Quarterdime wrote:
Alright. You guys may just hate me for saying this,...

Why? You're welcome to your opinion just like everyone else.


If you like it, that's great. For me, I like the idea, but would rather have seen something that looked gothic but still functional (which those footpaths most certainly are not).

And for the pricetag, that included more than 2 different tiles.

 insaniak wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
Alright. You guys may just hate me for saying this,...

Why? You're welcome to your opinion just like everyone else.


If you like it, that's great. For me, I like the idea, but would rather have seen something that looked gothic but still functional (which those footpaths most certainly are not).

And for the pricetag, that included more than 2 different tiles.

Both valid points. The sidewalks are easily the worst and least ignorable part, but the duplicate tiles are actually not as bad as you think. Understand that if you actually put a building in every spot a building's supposed to be, the crypts will be covered. Here's how I envision dealing with it: Place 2 of them against each other forming the footprint of a large building, then place a single large Shrine of the Aquila over them. It's the perfect kit to have them as a floor. As for the third one, I could put any other building over it and basically cover it up completely by keeping the building mostly intact. Viola! Three massive duplicate marks have just vanished! The same could be done with the Aquila marks and any other building.

And the price tag is $40 more than the regular realm of battle. Considering the hilarious level of detail when compared to the original, I must say it's a fair increase.

 Quarterdime wrote:
... but the duplicate tiles are actually not as bad as you think.

Less variation means just that: Less variation. It limits the ways you can place the boards together to create interesting layouts and it means that details are repeated over and over again. The same open crypts. The same nonsensical foot paths. The same road cracked in the same spot three times over. 3 tiles designs would've changed things significantly.

 Quarterdime wrote:
And the price tag is $40 more than the regular realm of battle. Considering the hilarious level of detail when compared to the original, I must say it's a fair increase.

The price for the first RoB wasn't fair either. This is worse.

This board is a disgrace for GW. Not only is it bad looking. But only 2 design for a 6-8 tile table. And the price hike for an already way too expensive table.
New low even for GW.... smells like so often before like a money grab.. When you charge above premium value it would make sense to create a premium product. That means high quality tiles, six different designs, interesting modular approach, etc.
They didn't even fix what was wrong with the original table (I have one so I know). The original table has really bad connectors and is a pain to assemble. Could have been done so much smarter...

Natrually, GW will soon start selling awesome limited release expansions to break up the repeated two board-piece designs..
@quarterdime. Its not a very good board if you need to cover the horrible parts with large buildings

It does at least serve to show how much better the forge world one is... Seriously, if there are any kids reading, save the money and build your own board, it'll look better and you'll have fun doing it. I at least saw some appeal with the old ROB because of the nice sculpted hills, there's none of that going on here.

 Quarterdime wrote:
Here's how I envision dealing with it: Place 2 of them against each other forming the footprint of a large building, then place a single large Shrine of the Aquila over them. It's the perfect kit to have them as a floor. As for the third one, I could put any other building over it and basically cover it up completely by keeping the building mostly intact. Viola! Three massive duplicate marks have just vanished! The same could be done with the Aquila marks and any other building.

It's not so much that you can't work around it, it's that for 200£ you shouldn't have to work around it. If you feel compelled to place buildings in certain places to cover up the repetitiveness of the layout then that's still a reduction in variability.

 Fayric wrote:
Natrually, GW will soon start selling awesome limited release expansions to break up the repeated two board-piece designs..
@quarterdime. Its not a very good board if you need to cover the horrible parts with large buildings

Something doesn't have to be perfect to be appreciated. This board is a hodgepodge of the most frequently sculpted things that Games Workshop has. That said, it's actually kind of the point of this board. This whole thing looks like it was carefully designed to be ignored in favor of the models.


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 Quarterdime wrote:
Here's how I envision dealing with it: Place 2 of them against each other forming the footprint of a large building, then place a single large Shrine of the Aquila over them. It's the perfect kit to have them as a floor. As for the third one, I could put any other building over it and basically cover it up completely by keeping the building mostly intact. Viola! Three massive duplicate marks have just vanished! The same could be done with the Aquila marks and any other building.

It's not so much that you can't work around it, it's that for 200£ you shouldn't have to work around it. If you feel compelled to place buildings in certain places to cover up the repetitiveness of the layout then that's still a reduction in variability.

You're right. But this board is made to be covered up. I feel like that was the intention and by the time they had two they decided it was good enough. Now the "good enough" angle just strengthens your point even more, but again, you are right. For that price we deserve the best, not good enough. But you know what? Good enough means it's good enough. Besides, I have a feeling that soon Forgeworld will be releasing additional tiles for this. Yeah, I know, that's not a reason to buy the six piece set right now. So it's something I think I'll wait for.

Still, it's best to go forward as though this is all there will be.

Admittedly, it is only 4' by 4' however, this is soon going to be released for Infinity.



All you need is a decent sized bit of wood for the board itself.

With the Secret Weapon boards coming out sometime in the not too distant future, it honestly makes me wonder, especially with the fact that there's only 2 designs on the boards, that GW rushed this out as an undercutting attempt.

I think it's also worth pointing out that in this week's white dwarf there's a page showing that the new realm of battle board is designed to be compatible with the original. Apparently there are sections of exposed earth on this new one that will match the original if you connect them together, making it look more natural. So the good news is you could realistically only need to play with the 2 tiles

 Quarterdime wrote:
And the price tag is $40 more than the regular realm of battle. Considering the hilarious level of detail when compared to the original, I must say it's a fair increase.

Except you could use the regular board for pretty much any land based game ever whilst only having to cover up the skull pit. You could leave it as wide open plains for historics, have it as an outpost in WHF/40K, even make it into the edge of a city. But with this it's a 40K city and only a 40K city.

Whilst the regular one was expensive, games clubs and gamers can justify it as a versatile purchase (both in terms of layout and of game use); but this new one is even more expensive with almost no versatility at all.


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 Quarterdime wrote:

You're right. But this board is made to be covered up.

If it's made to be covered up why should I use it over a sheet of MDF painted grey?