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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Plus, the Space Wolf codex was woefully lacking in the "requisite giant model" category.

Well, it could have been a Wolfknight instead. A quadrupedal Dreadnought for a critically injured thunderwolf, ridden by a Space Wolf Dreadnought.

Alternative build is the Wolftaurnought. A combination of both Wolfnought and Dreadnought in which the body of a dreadnought is attached to the body of the Wolfnought in place of the wolfhead.


Wolf wolf wolf.

I'm hoping I can just use my modified stormraven - I really don't want to buy this lol.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Now I know it's been said before, but I want to chime in:

A Space Marine "gunship" with transport capacity, brick-like aerodynamics and a very large main gun?

Errr...isn't that the Thunderhawk?

Which is why I don't like this new flyer. It's just an uglier version of the Caestus, with a cheaper plastic kit. The only reason for it to exist is to sell more stuff.

Uglier's subjective, I rather like the transport variant at least - tone down the symbology a bit and they've got a deal!

I'm not sure how it being cheaper is a bad thing... If you prefer the Caestus and you can afford it, the existence of this kit isn't going to stop you buying one...

 Bull0 wrote:
I'm not sure how it being cheaper is a bad thing... If you prefer the Caestus and you can afford it, the existence of this kit isn't going to stop you buying one...

The point is that it's a unit that shouldn't exist fluff-wise, but GW cares more about short-term sales than maintaining consistent fluff. And it's disappointing that the best GW could do is cut an existing kit in half and convert it from resin to plastic.

That gunship is the single most stupid model gw have ever done. I must admit I have spurned the wolves for so long but the promise of new models piqued my interest. That gunship however, has put me well off the wolves for another edition. Good day to you fine sirs.

 Peregrine wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Now I know it's been said before, but I want to chime in:

A Space Marine "gunship" with transport capacity, brick-like aerodynamics and a very large main gun?

Errr...isn't that the Thunderhawk?

Which is why I don't like this new flyer. It's just an uglier version of the Caestus, with a cheaper plastic kit. The only reason for it to exist is to sell more stuff.

Exactly.

The flier is part terrible, part lazy design, but also part I'm glad this is not a boring airplane. Hard to describe.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Plus, the Space Wolf codex was woefully lacking in the "requisite giant model" category.

I was hoping for Thunderwolves with Lightning Claws riding a giant flying wolf.

With rockets. Because reasons.



Instead, we get Bricky Mc'Gunship'. Yay.

Waiting for the conversions of a knight with this mounted on top as the head of the dog-knight.

It does kinda look like a flying Warhound head.

Wasn't there a rumour of a new SW Monstrous Creature? I'm just saying, we don't know for certain what else might get released.

And just for the record, it would not be a Dreadnought riding a giant-er wolfnought.

It would be a Dreadnought riding on the back of a Snow Troll in one of those little baby backpack things like Bran Stark on Hodor.

The more GW destroys the lore of 40k, the easier I find it to slip through their grasp tbh.

How much is this fether going to cost then, any word on that?

I think their prices have gone nuts lately me. I have loved some of the new orks, especially Badrukks Flash Gitz, but they work out at like, 9 dollars a model or something, its just a bit fething absurd now.

I reckon I could be tempted if it is sub 80 bucks, but more than that and they can wedge it, Ill just spray a brick grey and glue some wings on the sides.

I expect no less than $80, same as the Stormraven...

The size and availability of assault ships being a lynchpin of 40k lore.

Looks good to me, will buy fourteen of them.

Well, count me in the very minor camp of those really liking this model.
I don't play space wolves and don't like their style nore fluff but I will definitelly buy one and paint it.
I might field a minimal space wolves allied detachment just to field this baby!

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I expect no less than $80, same as the Stormraven...

Yeah sorry, I meant 80 or less, I just expect them to feth the current prices off and for some bizarre reason add 25% for new things just because.. well.. they like to do that type of thing.

I like it. Its cool. Its design fits, even if its not aerodynamic. I hate to say I want one, because I have no machinations for Space Wolves.

Yet.

Reminds me of a (I think) mining ship from Relic's game Homeworld. I think it was from the Taiidan faction.

BrookM's comic book store source priced it at 64 euros back on page 11, that would put it at the same price as the Stormraven.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Are we ever gonna get a transport with 20 model (10 TEQ) capacity outside of Apoc?

One of those baneblade variants (stormlord?) as a Lord of War choice. Apoc and "normal" 40k are practically no different in models and playstyle nowadays unfortunately with fliers, superheavies, and completely ignoring the force org as a "feature" of both.

My orks would like to loot one of these, stick tracks on it and count it as a Battlewagon (or looted wagon, or something). Or just loot it as is for Unbound games, I suppose - one of these would be a great trophy for any warboss.

I don't understand all the nerd-rage over its look. Of all the SM fliers, this looks the least stupid to me. Flying brick? - compared to what, a Thunderhawk? That said, the transport variant does look more 'sensible' that the shooty option.

I agree this will be SW-only. Until recently, GW didn't really do chapter-specific stuff - or rather, several models were originally released as chapter-specific but then magically appeared later in all other new marine codexes. But these days they seem quite relaxed about doing things like the DA-only fliers (now there are some ugly models!), presumably as their way to differentiate the chapters. Whether that really has much effect on customers choosing a marine chapter is another matter.

As near as I can tell we don't know points or armor yet. I'm liking the guns, but I'll guess that it's 13/12/12 .BS 4. 3 hull points. Because... well... Space wolves. I expect a bottom point cost of 165 for a stock transport version. And the fully loaded gun ship will top out at 220. Because again... Space Wolves and GW is going to make it attractive because of its single faction deployment. They want to sell models..

I'm liking the model overall. I don't love it, but far from hate it like I do most all other .sm fliers.

 Jayden63 wrote:
As near as I can tell we don't know points or armor yet. I'm liking the guns, but I'll guess that it's 13/12/22 .BS 4. 3 hull points. Because... well... Space wolves. I expect a bottom point cost of 165 for a stock transport version. And the fully loaded gun ship will top out at 220. Because again... Space Wolves and GW is going to make it attractive because of its single faction deployment. They want to sell models.

http://www.3plusplus.net/2014/07/space-wolves-stromfang-stormwolf/

Stormwolf – Fast Attack – Points = Land Raider minus 35
BS4 – F12 S12 R12 HP3 – Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)


Stormfang Gunship – Heavy Support – Points = Land Raider minus 30
BS4 – F12 S12 R12 HP3 – Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)


It's been posted a hundred times along with the weapons and all of that as well.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Plus, the Space Wolf codex was woefully lacking in the "requisite giant model" category.

Well, it could have been a Wolfknight instead. A quadrupedal Dreadnought for a critically injured thunderwolf, ridden by a Space Wolf Dreadnought.

I already have a wolfknight. No need for them to make one when the conversion is simple.



And you guys think GW takes it too far. I like to go "How can I wolf this up even more than they do?"

 Clang wrote:
I don't understand all the nerd-rage over its look. Of all the SM fliers, this looks the least stupid to me.

IMO it's not the design itself, it's the fact that they took an existing design and made it less appealing. If this had been the first one it wouldn't have been so bad, but when it's an obvious mediocre ripoff of one of GW's other kits it's pretty disappointing that this is the best they could do.

 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
As near as I can tell we don't know points or armor yet. I'm liking the guns, but I'll guess that it's 13/12/22 .BS 4. 3 hull points. Because... well... Space wolves. I expect a bottom point cost of 165 for a stock transport version. And the fully loaded gun ship will top out at 220. Because again... Space Wolves and GW is going to make it attractive because of its single faction deployment. They want to sell models.

http://www.3plusplus.net/2014/07/space-wolves-stromfang-stormwolf/

Stormwolf – Fast Attack – Points = Land Raider minus 35
BS4 – F12 S12 R12 HP3 – Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)


Stormfang Gunship – Heavy Support – Points = Land Raider minus 30
BS4 – F12 S12 R12 HP3 – Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)


It's been posted a hundred times along with the weapons and all of that as well.

Why the mess is one in FA and the other in HS when they are the same basic ship? Blah, I need all my Fast Attack for my army of thunderwolves. Guess I'll have to go 2x3 rather than the more successful 3x2 I normally run inorder to fit the Stormwolf in.

Question that I'm unsure of because I've never bothered with paying attention to the StormRaven or any of the forgeworld versions. Can you embark out of these on the first turn they come on? I assume you have to pop on, then the next turn drop the payload but I wanted to be sure. If you can dump out in the first turn I could fill this sucker to the brim with WGT, Sven Bloodhowl (WolfLord) and a Rune Priest and just have a crusher unit to rain on someone's day. But if they have to wait a turn, putting that much in one transport would be asking to be blown down and run my game. Lol.

 SmurfInABlender wrote:
Why the mess is one in FA and the other in HS when they are the same basic ship? Blah, I need all my Fast Attack for my army of thunderwolves. Guess I'll have to go 2x3 rather than the more successful 3x2 I normally run inorder to fit the Stormwolf in.

Click the link and read.

My question: Can Cavalry embark transports? The 16 variant with a couple TWC in it would be hilarious.

 pretre wrote:

 SmurfInABlender wrote:
Why the mess is one in FA and the other in HS when they are the same basic ship? Blah, I need all my Fast Attack for my army of thunderwolves. Guess I'll have to go 2x3 rather than the more successful 3x2 I normally run inorder to fit the Stormwolf in.

Click the link and read.

My question: Can Cavalry embark transports? The 16 variant with a couple TWC in it would be hilarious.

This is a SW transport, of course they can

 SmurfInABlender wrote:


Why the mess is one in FA and the other in HS when they are the same basic ship? Blah, I need all my Fast Attack for my army of thunderwolves. Guess I'll have to go 2x3 rather than the more successful 3x2 I normally run inorder to fit the Stormwolf in.

Question that I'm unsure of because I've never bothered with paying attention to the StormRaven or any of the forgeworld versions. Can you embark out of these on the first turn they come on? I assume you have to pop on, then the next turn drop the payload but I wanted to be sure. If you can dump out in the first turn I could fill this sucker to the brim with WGT, Sven Bloodhowl (WolfLord) and a Rune Priest and just have a crusher unit to rain on someone's day. But if they have to wait a turn, putting that much in one transport would be asking to be blown down and run my game. Lol.

The Stormraven has a rule called "Skys of Fury"(and other terms depending on codex) that allows you to dump them on the turn you arrive. It is dangerous though for the units unless they have move through cover. They still can't assault the turn the arrive from reserves though.

I don't see anything like this for the SW flyer.