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I kinda want Bjorn to be able to take a dread retinue.

Bjorn + 2 Axe/SS Ven Dreads. Muahahahah

 BlaxicanX wrote:

I mean hell. Bloodcrushers are considered overcosted for what they do, yet they're only 45 points and come stock with Ap3 weapons, WS/BS5, fear, deep-strike, rage, a 5++ and an additional wound in exchange for TWC's 3+ sv.

Yeah, BS5 they pay for and is near impossible to use, Deep Strike which is utterly worthless on a unit that can cross the board in fewer turns than it would be able to assault in if it did, fear which is useless against a good percentage of factions and only a 5++

I'd happily give up the wound for a 3+.

 Azreal13 wrote:

Yeah, BS5 they pay for and is near impossible to use, Deep Strike which is utterly worthless on a unit that can cross the board in fewer turns than it would be able to assault in if it did, fear which is useless against a good percentage of factions and only a 5++

... and? Bloodcrushers are junk, but what do TWC have over all of that to justify their price? Nothing really. A 3+ save- that makes them literally as durable as a biker squad. Ooohh.

Point is, they've been over-costed since the 5E 'dex was released. A 10ppm drop leaves them as still overcosted.

Versatility.

 fedorarogue wrote:

 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
Maybe Murderlust will give him assault out of drop pods? I can't honestly see how they'd expect people to field him when he's either stuck coming out on turn one or footslogging across the board.

Not to mention, the picture doesn't technically say Murderfang is a dreadnought. It just says "New Dreadnoughts!", it could just be badly worded and talking about a new Venerable dreadnought model and Murderfang ends up being the rumoured MC. Slim to none chance I know but it's still possible, right?

The Murderlust rule has been posted in several other places and what it does is: Ignores crew shaken and crew stunned results

Hadn't caught that, cheers!

Hadn't heard anything about the point drops for other units either, source on that?

I am excited about the new dreads though, I'm not normally a humongous fan of them but I can't think of anything cooler than a couple dreadnoughts coming down wielding huge shields and axes or something.

 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:


Hadn't caught that, cheers!

Hadn't heard anything about the point drops for other units either, source on that?

I am excited about the new dreads though, I'm not normally a humongous fan of them but I can't think of anything cooler than a couple dreadnoughts coming down wielding huge shields and axes or something.

It's the same source, Little Bird from Warseer. For some reason only his post without points is making the rounds, but here is the one with the points.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?397904-Codex-Space-Wolves-Information

 Azreal13 wrote:
Versatility.

Not worth 40ppm, imo. Space Marines as an entire army concept is practical evidence of how overrated versatility is in this game. Specialist units that are great at their one intended role are better, and tend to be priced better, than units that are "okay" at everything and pay a premium for it.

I think 35ppm would be more fair, though.

I'd kill for the brass-armour-clad warriors of Khorne riding the half-machine/half-daemon battering rams to have an actual Armour Save.

But maybe that's being greedy.

I'm Dreaming that the rumoed Wulfenstone Relic allows you to turn bloodclaws into wulfen. One can dream. T.T

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Versatility.

Not worth 40ppm, imo. Space Marines as an entire army concept is practical evidence of how overrated versatility is in this game. Specialist units that are great at their one intended role are better, and tend to be priced better, than units that are "okay" at everything and pay a premium for it.

I think 35ppm would be more fair, though.

40 is a fair price. Necron Wraiths are too good for their points and TWC (by the end of the cycle) are too expensive. Hopefully the wraith will see a points increase or a nerf in abilities to match what it currently costs.




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 BlaxicanX wrote:
I hadn't caught the TWC price drop. Good news, but I wonder if that makes them decent. Hmm...

On the one hand, in a unit of five that's a 50 point drop, which is pretty hefty. But 40 ppm still seems over-costed to me for what they offer, using khorne hounds and spawn as benchmarks.

I mean hell. Bloodcrushers are considered overcosted for what they do, yet they're only 45 points and come stock with Ap3 weapons, WS/BS5, fear, deep-strike, rage, a 5++ and an additional wound all in exchange for TWC's 3+ sv.

I think your forgetting the TWC biggest advantage. Its the one guy with the powerfist. Bloodcrushers cant get 5 S10 AP2 attacks on a three man unit. The other 12 S5 rending attacks don't hurt either. TWC were a good unit. Hell they still are a good unit. The problem is the basic assault nerf in the main rules is what makes them less attractive and seem over costed. If we ever get to 8th or 9th edition and they fix the troublesome assault rules, they are probably going to seem like a gift at 40 points each.

I could be off base, but this reeks of a Ward codex -- only because he tends to love his own ideas.

"Remember those claw things I put on a Furioso? We're doing that again... but with, wait for it... UNMELTABLE ICE CLAWS!"

"You know that thing I did with Necrons were flyers were dedicated transports. Well imagine that, but FROSTY!"

In all honesty the rumored rules look neat. Part of me dreads the fluff bending flyer spam that could happen, but it is what it is.

Wraths come stock with a 3+ invul. And also the dreadnought at the end of the day are still dreadnoughts unless they have some kind of mini ion shield or w/e like the knights and get an invul from storm shield. Then they might be alright.

 Auswin wrote:
I could be off base, but this reeks of a Ward codex -- only because he tends to love his own ideas.

"Remember those claw things I put on a Furioso? We're doing that again... but with, wait for it... UNMELTABLE ICE CLAWS!"

"You know that thing I did with Necrons were flyers were dedicated transports. Well imagine that, but FROSTY!"

In all honesty the rumored rules look neat. Part of me dreads the fluff bending flyer spam that could happen, but it is what it is.

How are the fliers bending the fluff? If you're referring to the "Feet on the ground" thing, it's been covered about a million ways to sunday in previous posts already.

Geez I better update the OP with the new info from Warseer:




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Damn, so SW Termies still overcosted as hell to upgrade. Sorry guys, CA is NOT worth +3 points! Especially now that TWC are only 40 pts and have a FAR better chance of getting into CC.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Space Marines as an entire army concept is practical evidence of how overrated versatility is in this game. Specialist units that are great at their one intended role are better, and tend to be priced better, than units that are "okay" at everything and pay a premium for it.

The results from BAO seem to disagree. Looks like expensive, versatile, OK-at-everything units are REALLY good, as long as they have Objective Secured and cheap Dedicated Transports.

Codex up for pre-order this weekend.

 JesusFreak wrote:
Codex up for pre-order this weekend.

Is that a question or a statement? I doubt it'd be up for preorder this weekend, as we know the Dread is going up this weekend and GW tend to release the codex in the last week, so unless SW are only getting the Stormwolfywolf and a Dread, I doubt the codex will go up this weekend.

 JesusFreak wrote:
Codex up for pre-order this weekend.

Do you have a source or did you make some kind of a bet you're hoping to win?

 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:

 Auswin wrote:


"You know that thing I did with Necrons were flyers were dedicated transports. Well imagine that, but FROSTY!"

How are the fliers bending the fluff? If you're referring to the "Feet on the ground" thing, it's been covered about a million ways to sunday in previous posts already.

I guess he didn't meant flyers per se but flyers as dedicated transports without using a slot.

I also read that the codex will be on pre-order this weekend together with bjorn, it was on faeit a couple days ago i think.

Not sure it is still correct though because on the picture with the info about bjorn and murderfang there was nothing about the codex.

I guess we will just have to wait.

 JesusFreak wrote:
Codex up for pre-order this weekend.

I doubt it, otherwise they wouldn't be publishing the Murderfang's rule in the WD this week because you'd get your codex and Muderfang at the same time due to pre-orders so you wouldn't need WD rules

found this bit of Lore on the wulfenstone

The Wulfen Stone - This ancient gem was found by Wolf Lord Jorin Bloodfang on an Eldar Crone World during the 13th Great Company's sojourn into the Eye of Terror. It was worked into Jorin's suit of Power Armour by the great artificer and one of the Company's few surviving Iron Priests, Fengri. Within its murky depths lies the raging image of the Were, the monster of Fenris that lies coiled within the gene-helix of every Space Wolf. The Wulfen Stone has the unusual property of amplifying a bearer's Wulfen rage to far beyond that of the rest of their kin. Its horror can be borne by few creatures and as a result, most foes will break and run in absolute terror before the fell creature before them. This dire relic is one of the Space Wolves' greatest treasures.

Wulfenstone grants Fear confirmed!

On topic, I am seriously looking forward to this release in a way I did not for either my Tyranids or my Orks. Looks like it's time for my original army to come back to the forefront of my gaming!

Triszin wrote:
found this bit of Lore on the wulfenstone

The Wulfen Stone - This ancient gem was found by Wolf Lord Jorin Bloodfang on an Eldar Crone World during the 13th Great Company's sojourn into the Eye of Terror. It was worked into Jorin's suit of Power Armour by the great artificer and one of the Company's few surviving Iron Priests, Fengri. Within its murky depths lies the raging image of the Were, the monster of Fenris that lies coiled within the gene-helix of every Space Wolf. The Wulfen Stone has the unusual property of amplifying a bearer's Wulfen rage to far beyond that of the rest of their kin. Its horror can be borne by few creatures and as a result, most foes will break and run in absolute terror before the fell creature before them. This dire relic is one of the Space Wolves' greatest treasures.

Wow! still a chance that the bearer of the wulfenstone makes the unit wulfen (but probably it only makes the bearer wulfen which is lame)

Looking at the Space Wolf Dreadnaughts you could easily come up with a very heavy “In your Face” Dreadnought List.

LoW: Bjorn and if he allows you to take some.
Elite #1: MurderFang
Elite #2: The rumored Storm Shield
Elite#3: Well for me it is one with the Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter [A Fluffy Model for me]
If you can pulls off a 2nd Detachment add three more with everything in Pods [including the Grey Hunters].

dreads with CC or some kind of invul would go a long way to making dreads more competitive.


this looks like it is shaping up to be a great release,

I sincerely hope that its indicative of things to come, as GW really did an awesome job with orks, and it looks like SW get the same treatment.

really likeing how they seem to be focusing much more on giving use multiple ways to build synergized themed lists that can also do well on the table with things like formations.

You could already do this kind of army with ba.. and it sucks, dreads simply aren't good enough.

 streamdragon wrote:
Wulfenstone grants Fear confirmed!

On topic, I am seriously looking forward to this release in a way I did not for either my Tyranids or my Orks. Looks like it's time for my original army to come back to the forefront of my gaming!

This release certainly has a very different air to it, there seems to be less general annoyance at GW

 Kirasu wrote:
You could already do this kind of army with ba.. and it sucks, dreads simply aren't good enough.

Unless they have invulnerable saves from Storm Shields.

 easysauce wrote:
dreads with CC or some kind of invul would go a long way to making dreads more competitive.


this looks like it is shaping up to be a great release,

I sincerely hope that its indicative of things to come, as GW really did an awesome job with orks, and it looks like SW get the same treatment.

really likeing how they seem to be focusing much more on giving use multiple ways to build synergized themed lists that can also do well on the table with things like formations.

Awesome in the way they removed units from the codex and redesigned the army list page into a horrid photoshoot? If the SW dex is the same then I'm done with 7th edition