Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
Now I'm just waiting for the tide of Wolf haters to flow in and complain about the exposed heads being too Chaos like.

It's not too Chaos-like; it's just plain ridiculous.

I was referring more into the open head like on the Helbrutes but yeah it is just absolutely stupid.

 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
EDIT: Hang on a tick, Murderfang is definitely an exposed head but AxeDread looks more like a skull than a mask. Is it possible it's not so much a head as it is a bit of decoration?

yeah I already said that it's definitely a decorative wolf skull.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
Now I'm just waiting for the tide of Wolf haters to flow in and complain about the exposed heads being too Chaos like.

It's not too Chaos-like; it's just plain ridiculous.

Indeed.

I'm hoping there's another more reasonable head in the kit. The exposed head looks ridiculous and the wolf's skull ain't doing anything for me either.

Seriously, guys? We have Murder - "Totally Not Wolverine in a Dreadnought" - Fang. We have a sword and board dread without enough range of motion to actually use it. We're expecting Santa Grimnar.

I agree with what was said previously. This is nearing LCD placating schlock. And it's like the new dreads were just a means to kitbash this:



It's really sad if they are milking awesome conversions for ideas now. And Av12 Walkers are still Av12 Walkers. If Wolverine and BoardWolf were FA13, then we'd have a discussion, but you're talking about dropping more points in something that's plodding and slow. It can either be kited, or glanced to death like current Av12 Walkers are. They doubled down on dreads, which I can see the allure of the models, but the game play of them is gonna be putting more points into that terrible basket.

I might buy one to make my own version of the amazing dread linked above, but I wouldn't call GW's concepts very original.

I'm glad that we can agree to disagree on models by making the people who like them look bad. :(

 pretre wrote:
I'm glad that we can agree to disagree on models by making the people who look like it bad. :(

Many things are aimed at lowest common denominator. It's not an insult, it's a marketing strategy. See the current trend of brainless TV as one. Or the generic dumbing down of repetitive first person shooters on consoles. Every market has this to broaden the appeal. If you find it insulting, be insulted by the company for doing so.

I mean, seriously. Murderfang. The dead dude that still has a fleshy head and yellin' n stuff with Wolverine Ice claws. With a skull on the claw. With a lens for an eye. That's placating.

 pretre wrote:
I'm glad that we can agree to disagree on models by making the people who look like it bad. :(

That was almost a sentence.

Personally I think the models look great... except for the head sticking out of Murderface. That's one of the dumbest design decisions GW's ever made.

So if you like these models you are brainless? Thank you I guess.

I was just posting on my facebook comunity page about how SW got the best Ven Dread kit. I really like the hand grabing the weapon since he might be able to do stuff while not in battle. Its one of those things that always bugged me about double ranged weapon dreads. There is still a marine inside!

 ashikenshin wrote:
So if you like these models you are brainless? Thank you I guess.

Does that bother you?

If I like Burger King (I do. I so, so really do), does that make Burger King's food not utter gak?

I like the sword and board Dread, looks pretty cool. Its design and the concept behind it is dumb as hell though.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 ashikenshin wrote:
So if you like these models you are brainless? Thank you I guess.

Does that bother you?

If I like Burger King (I do. I so, so really do), does that make Burger King's food not utter gak?

I like the sword and board Dread, looks pretty cool. Its design and the concept behind it is dumb as hell though.

I think your analogy doesn't work. It's more like: if you like burger king you are an idiot. It doesn't bother me, I'm used to people's hyperbole when talking about stuff on the internet, it's not exclusive to wargaming.

 ashikenshin wrote:
So if you like these models you are brainless? Thank you I guess.

I guess folks must think every analysis is a personal insult against them? As stated above, liking something that's crap or brainless doesn't mean you're crap or brainless. I like some pretty stupid or terrible things. I've enjoyed me some "Storage Wars." Something like that is placating towards the LCD to get mass appeal. It has nothing to do with anyone as a person.

I just noticed something on the murderfang model.

His head is not protected. Its sticking out.

So what happens if a sniper places a well placed shot from a mile away? would that not instantly kill the murderfang dread?

 Vasarto wrote:
I just noticed something on the murderfang model.

His head is not protected. Its sticking out.

So what happens if a sniper places a well placed shot from a mile away? would that not instantly kill the murderfang dread?

same as what would happen if you shoot a sargent without helmet heheh

 ashikenshin wrote:

I think your analogy doesn't work. It's more like: if you like burger king you are an idiot. It doesn't bother me, I'm used to people's hyperbole when talking about stuff on the internet, it's not exclusive to wargaming.

If you knew the food was detrimental to your health and longevity due to using the basest ingredients possible but use synthesized chemicals to have the widest appeal to people by eliciting certain nuero-chemical responses and still said "hey, it's not crap at all!" then yah, you'd be kinda foolish. Fast/Processed food is designed to do just that. It's scientifically made to appeal to the widest tastes to garner more sales. It's made for the lowest common denominator. Not insulting, just a fact.

And I point to "Murderfang" and say "Yep, placating to the crowd." Not some awesome viking name. No, something more akin to dethklok with some Marvel thrown in.

A touch behind the 8 ball on that one Vasarto. People have been going back and forth about their opinions on this one for a few pages now.

 TheKbob wrote:

 ashikenshin wrote:

I think your analogy doesn't work. It's more like: if you like burger king you are an idiot. It doesn't bother me, I'm used to people's hyperbole when talking about stuff on the internet, it's not exclusive to wargaming.

If you knew the food was detrimental to your health and longevity due to using the basest ingredients possible but use synthesized chemicals to have the widest appeal to people by eliciting certain nuero-chemical responses and still said "hey, it's not crap at all!" then yah, you'd be kinda foolish. Fast/Processed food is designed to do just that. It's scientifically made to appeal to the widest tastes to garner more sales. It's made for the lowest common denominator. Not insulting, just a fact.

And I point to "Murderfang" and say "Yep, placating to the crowd." Not some awesome viking name. No, something more akin to dethklok with some Marvel thrown in.

You see why your food analogy doesn't work? Also going by the responses in this thread the murderthing is the least liked, so even less common denominator.

Nah dude, what is happening is a difference of opinion on a plastic toy, and people who don't like it say things like: aimed at 12 yo and brainless gw crackheads. You don't like it? fine, but going the extra bit is a little OTT IMO.

I'm going back and forth with the stormfang thing, I like it sometimes and the I think it looks pretty stupid. I think it's GW paint job that doesn't do the model any favors. I shall wait until I see this model and the stormfang painte by the community to decide if i want to buy them

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm glad that we can agree to disagree on models by making the people who look like it bad. :(

That was almost a sentence.

Personally I think the models look great... except for the head sticking out of Murderface. That's one of the dumbest design decisions GW's ever made.

My lowest common denominator took over and made me talk the dumb.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 TheKbob wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm glad that we can agree to disagree on models by making the people who look like it bad. :(

Many things are aimed at lowest common denominator. It's not an insult, it's a marketing strategy. See the current trend of brainless TV as one. Or the generic dumbing down of repetitive first person shooters on consoles. Every market has this to broaden the appeal. If you find it insulting, be insulted by the company for doing so.

I mean, seriously. Murderfang. The dead dude that still has a fleshy head and yellin' n stuff with Wolverine Ice claws. With a skull on the claw. With a lens for an eye. That's placating.

I think equating reality TV with plastic miniatures is a failed road here pal. And if you don't think it's insulting to tell someone that they are the lowest common denominator, I don't know what to tell you.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Obviously, Murderfang is too high-brow for some.

ashikenshin wrote:... aimed at 12 yo and brainless gw crackheads. ...

I have never called anyone such a thing. I am pointing out what GW is doing.

 pretre wrote:

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Obviously, Murderfang is too high-brow for some.

And I'm not insulting anyone. I have not said "That dude with the Sisters Avatar sure is a childish poo head for liking robot Wolfy McStab-Stab." No, I've said they are designing mass appeal models for the lowest common denominator. Again, if you are insulted, it's because you are projecting your self worth through plastic toys.

I hate doing this, but Dictionary:
the lowest common denominator
-the large number of people in society who will accept low-quality products and entertainment. The problem with so much television is that it aims at the lowest common denominator.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/the+lowest+common+denominator

Its okay, he only indirectly insulted you. That just means he is sharing an opinion!! Dont you know there is no reason to get offended as long as the insult is indirect.

Can we get back on topic? Best to do that before we get anymore derailed lol

Actually, I'm kind of getting on board with the exposed head thing. Maybe fashion some kind of protective window bubble and paint a skull or maybe some kind of "protective runes" on it.

 Leth wrote:
Its okay, he only indirectly insulted you. That just means he is sharing an opinion!! Dont you know there is no reason to get offended as long as the insult is indirect.

Apparently...

I'm disappointed. .I hoped the entire sw release would be nothing but dreadnought variants....

 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
Actually, I'm kind of getting on board with the exposed head thing. Maybe fashion some kind of protective window bubble and paint a skull or maybe some kind of "protective runes" on it.

I think ive got some vehicle bitz that will make a cool facemask with a slit, almost like a welders mask that I will end up using, probably magnetize it so he could take it off or something nifty.

Hey, great, calling GW out on their marketing is now insulting. Hooray? Thanks for being realistic.

And for every "Murderfang" they make, that's one less box of Wulven or a new Ragnar model we could get. Both are something which many wolves players have wanted.

 TheKbob wrote:


Seriously, guys? We have Murder - "Totally Not Wolverine in a Dreadnought" - Fang. We have a sword and board dread

We do. I am getting excited.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:


Seriously, guys? We have Murder - "Totally Not Wolverine in a Dreadnought" - Fang. We have a sword and board dread

We do. I am getting excited.

I will gladly paint one up in 90s era Wolverine colors should it actually be a reasonably priced kit, just to seal the deal.

Also, if the exposed head bothers you -- and it does me -- look! It's REALLY easy to cut off. You don't even need to be an Ork wiv a choppa, swarming up those legs to save his comrades, even if he might die in the 'splosion. You could do it with a modelling knife. At worst you might cut your thumb a bit. It'll be OK.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Also, if the exposed head bothers you -- and it does me -- look! It's REALLY easy to cut off. You don't even need to be an Ork wiv a choppa, swarming up those legs to save his comrades, even if he might die in the 'splosion. You could do it with a modelling knife. At worst you might cut your thumb a bit. It'll be OK.

I think the point of the matter is Mr. Fang is really only murdering the fluff rather than anything else, given how Walkers perform on the table. That's what folks are getting with when it comes to the model. Kinda like cutting off the nose to spite the face by introducing something like it in general.