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 Azreal13 wrote:
No, but once in the appropriate place is generally good. Technically, the only thing he is equipped with is a searchlight.

Plus, is the bonus attack included for a pair of weapons? That normally needs clarifying.

If it doesn't say it's included, then I think it's assumed(in a non dick way) it isn't included.

How about them both being Mastercrafted....does that mean he gets 1 reroll..or do you split his attacks into 2 equal batches and 1 reroll each batch?

 Bull0 wrote:
Well, unless it says it's included in his profile, it isn't included in his profile. But yeah, not including the claws in his wargear section is very sloppy indeed. If they're changing the format forever, and thus it's deliberate, then fair enough, we don't really have a lot to go on either way with that. Seems to be a new trend, at least.

I'm gonna put an end to this nonsense right now. I checked for you people and in Codex Orks it says in the layout explanation page in front of the army list (p52) that the model has everything printed on its page. So there, can we move on from this inane line of thinking?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
Well, unless it says it's included in his profile, it isn't included in his profile. But yeah, not including the claws in his wargear section is very sloppy indeed. If they're changing the format forever, and thus it's deliberate, then fair enough, we don't really have a lot to go on either way with that. Seems to be a new trend, at least.

I'm gonna put an end to this nonsense right now. I checked for you people and in Codex Orks it says in the layout explanation page in front of the army list (p52) that the model has everything printed on its page. So there, can we move on from this inane line of thinking?

No because that would be letting facts get in the way.

I have been using a nemesis dreadknight on foot and even though its slow it has done a lot of damage and taken a lot of fire that has won me many games.

I like muderfang and I see him filling a similar role. In general you cant afford to ignore him as there will be some aspect of your army that he can catch and at 135 points he only really needs to catch 1/2 units to be worth while.

Now if you send him in un-supported then yea, he is going to die. But if you design a list such as drop pod wolves I could see him fitting in pretty well.

Oh Natfka, you so funny...

Space wolf Rumors - July 2014
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Hey there some info about the new SW codex. Not a lot but a couple tie bits. Came from someone who works for GW
New Logan grimnar model- can be on foot or in a landsled pulled by, yes a thunder wolf. He is a lord of war
New dreadnought model called murderfang has a storm shield and he has 7 attacks +D3 FALSE
Murderfang/venerable/Bjorn are a plastic multi kit ALREADY TRUE

Posting rumors after the leaks have already posted and they are still half wrong.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
Well, unless it says it's included in his profile, it isn't included in his profile. But yeah, not including the claws in his wargear section is very sloppy indeed. If they're changing the format forever, and thus it's deliberate, then fair enough, we don't really have a lot to go on either way with that. Seems to be a new trend, at least.

I'm gonna put an end to this nonsense right now. I checked for you people and in Codex Orks it says in the layout explanation page in front of the army list (p52) that the model has everything printed on its page. So there, can we move on from this inane line of thinking?

But if I was a Space Wolves player (I'm not) or some other person who picked up the new shiny because I wanted to add it to my Imperial army, how would I know that explanation was in the Ork codex? Why wouldn't I assume it was the same as it has been previously, and think that I must need the codex entry in order to see how many points his various weapon combinations cost, including the Murderfang upgrade?

I'm not saying this is what I think, I'm merely pointing out yet another example of half-arsedery from the GW rules team.

 gorgon wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
Wait, they don't remember his name? Can't they just ask Bjorn? "Oh yeah, that's Steve Ticklefingers, he was the pack clown back in the day. No one could short sheet a wolf bunk like Steverino! Now back to my nap."

They don't know his name, but they have his pic.



Has that joke been made already? I haven't read the entire thread.

NEXT we have up. Spacewolves Murderfang, Murder-FANG, MURDERFANG! Our sources say.....

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
Well, unless it says it's included in his profile, it isn't included in his profile. But yeah, not including the claws in his wargear section is very sloppy indeed. If they're changing the format forever, and thus it's deliberate, then fair enough, we don't really have a lot to go on either way with that. Seems to be a new trend, at least.

I'm gonna put an end to this nonsense right now. I checked for you people and in Codex Orks it says in the layout explanation page in front of the army list (p52) that the model has everything printed on its page. So there, can we move on from this inane line of thinking?

Yeah, that's good enough for me. I haven't read that page. Thanks. Did you need to be an arse about it?

Still no pics of the LE sets??? Sorry, the Long Fang and Wolf Guard sets?

Leakers, let's get on this.

 dienekes96 wrote:
Still no pics of the LE sets??? Sorry, the Long Fang and Wolf Guard sets?

Leakers, let's get on this.

At that cost, and limited quantity, GW needs to have shown these 2-6 weeks prior tot he pre-order going up so people can set aside money.

that advertising is ass backwards.

 Bulldogging wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
No, but once in the appropriate place is generally good. Technically, the only thing he is equipped with is a searchlight.

Plus, is the bonus attack included for a pair of weapons? That normally needs clarifying.

If it doesn't say it's included, then I think it's assumed(in a non dick way) it isn't included.

How about them both being Mastercrafted....does that mean he gets 1 reroll..or do you split his attacks into 2 equal batches and 1 reroll each batch?

You still just use one of the claws for abilities and rules, the other is just for extra attack.
The way they point out its two weapons make me think it may not not included in the profile. Sure he has no options, but if one arm is destroyed the profile would not include the extra attack.
So, base 4 +2 for rage, +1 for extra weapon, +d3 for rampage, is lots of murder on the assault..

 Fayric wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
No, but once in the appropriate place is generally good. Technically, the only thing he is equipped with is a searchlight.

Plus, is the bonus attack included for a pair of weapons? That normally needs clarifying.

If it doesn't say it's included, then I think it's assumed(in a non dick way) it isn't included.

How about them both being Mastercrafted....does that mean he gets 1 reroll..or do you split his attacks into 2 equal batches and 1 reroll each batch?

You still just use one of the claws for abilities and rules, the other is just for extra attack.
The way they point out its two weapons make me think it may not not included in the profile. Sure he has no options, but if one arm is destroyed the profile would not include the extra attack.
So, base 4 +2 for rage, +1 for extra weapon, +d3 for rampage, is lots of murder on the assault..

You're right, you can't mix and match.

As someone who has stopped playing the game but still loves most everything else, this is my take.

If you love your Space Wolves you will need to get the new toys. They all just look too awesome to not have in your SW collection. They all look very iconic to this chapter and have some really good detail.

However, if you are a competitive player, I can see leaving the dreads at home as they rarely are a good take for their points / vs performance and as such I think most bandwagoneers will leave them at home. The flyer will get used, just like the chibihawk still gets used. They both have enough umph behind their points to make them good inclusions into your army.

If however, you have become disenchanted with GW due to pricing issues, I think your out of luck. I can't see the dread kit going for less than 55 and those flyers are what 85 each? Ouch.

Rumour has it that Murderfang's favourite song is Murder on the Dance Floor.

I view murderfang as the abridge version of attack on titan, he's constant running around screaming murder murder murder murder

 Anpu42 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Spoiler:

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:
I don't think it's as simple as saying give him support.

To clarify, he is going to be one of the highest target priorities because 1) He is strong in assault 2) He dies easy to shooting.

It doesn't matter if you pod him, it doesn't matter if he has some Dreadbros walking by him. He is going to be the one shot first.

You could give him a FW Drop pod, and then he has a cover save while he sits and waits for the ridiculous no assault when you DS rules to wear off. Which is what I'll be doing.

Yes it is all about target priority, this is my example:
[spoiler]Turn one 5 Pods Land
1] Murderfang
2] Venerable Dreadnaught with Storm Shield
3] 10 man Wolf Guard with lots of Combi-Weapons and a few Storm Shield
4] Grey Hunter Pack with Multiple Plasma Weapons
5] Grey Hunter Pack with Flamers

Down the field you have some TWC, more Grey Hunters and Logan with his Sled. Long Fangs with a Rune Priest. On a Landing pad is a Stormwolf filled with Blood Claws and a Wolf Priest.
In reserve are 4 more pods Filled with more Wolf Guard and Grey Hunters

The Murderfang is your 1st Priority?

Given what you describe sounds like about 3000pts, Murderfang might not be priority #1 given it consists of less than 5% of your points, but for whatever anti-tank weapons you have lying around he's high enough priority that he won't get in to combat.

That's the thing, he's not that hard to kill that he needs to be priority #1, it's not like a Wraithknight or Imperial Knight or whatever that you have to throw a ton of firepower at to bring down before he reaches combat.

There's a reason people think Dreadnoughts suck, especially close combat Dreadnoughts. They're just too easy to kill.

Yes they are easy to kill, but I have seen to many people just throw one out there and him go.
Even if I want to 5 starting pods one a 2k list if it take more than one unit to take him down that is firepower not pointed at other things. Putting the 3++ Venerable Dread and the Murderfang along with Wolf Guard Terminators in your face on Turn 1 should give me a good chance of 1/3 of your available firepower going at him.
I do this now with my Dreadnaught supported Loganwing. With the proper use of terrain [Including my own Pods] I can cut Available Firepower in half if not by a 1/3.

I am familiar with the concept of target saturation. The thing is, because we play a game to a certain number of points, target saturation isn't simply "imagine all these scary things drop podded in front of you!". At the core of target saturation is the idea that you have some models that are BOTH high threat and hard to kill, so your opponent spends an inordinate number of points trying to kill those high threat units while other not-much-lower-threat units survive. Murderfang (and assault Dreadnoughts in general) are not like that (not unless you're playing against someone who doesn't know how to play). Murderfang's threat is high because of the sheer number of attacks, but is lowered because he's slow and he's not hard to kill at all. That makes him a poor target saturation unit.

You can say "well drop pod him next to another dreadnought and then you have target saturation, even if they kill Murderfang it's taken heat off the other Dread!" Except you could have just spent the same points on another regular dreadnought with SS and been even harder to kill or spent it on another regular dreadnought with a ranged weapon and actually got some shots off before it got permanently removed from the table. Your opponent has already spent the points on the anti-tank to kill Dreadnoughts.

Target saturation works on things like many MC's because they genuinely take a decent amount of firepower to kill AND they have a high threat.

I don't play SW, but if I were to look across the table at a few dreads with storm shields and some thunderwolf cav with storm shields......I might break out the lube cuz the game will most likely be rough.

 JesusFreak wrote:
Rumour has it that Murderfang's favourite song is Murder on the Dance Floor.

Please...

Obviously, Murderfang's real name is Stagger Lee.

So who's buying Codex: Dreadnoughts?

Kal-El wrote:
So who's buying Codex: Dreadnoughts?

Sigh


I suspect it will be no more codex dreadnoughts than any other marine codex has been.

The Fluff for Murderfang is downright godawful. It's like they took Bjorn and turned the fluff up to 11.

 TheKbob wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Most things 40k feels silly when it is introduced as a new separate element.
Personally I think the alien newermelting ice claws far more silly than most of the other stuff.

What they need is a series of fenrisian murder mystery books to establish the character.
Guess who dunnit!

*Dead marine on floor at start of scene*

Logan: Ragnar, did you do this?

Ragnar: No, I just dropped in!

Logan: Bjorn, did you do this?

Bjorn: I was napping.

Logan: Urlik, did you do this?

Urlik: No, Logan. I was keeping an eye on the pups.

Logan: Murderfang , did you do this?

Murderfang: No, I was just ....chillin, bub!

Gnight everyone!

(It was Lukas, because no one remembers him and he has to get the last laugh....puns!)

If someone greenstuff's Wolverine's hair and a comically big cigar on Murderfang, I think I'll be able to die a happy man.

Ive been having good luck with psyfulman dreads and they usually survive pretty well.

I can see the venerable versions of things now that there is no explode on a 6 getting a huge boost simply by being able to re-roll the few weapons that can take it out of the fight. Combined with a 3+ invul and you got something that is either going to be ignored or take a crap ton of fire.

I think a lot of it will be down to the stats on the venerables side weapon.

New codex info

http://grotorderly.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/white-dwarf-27-przecieki-czesc-2-leaks.html

EDIT:

new Warlord Traits
new pyschic dicipline
a formation for using Great Company (only 1 formation !?)<

EDIT 2:

Codex supplement confirmed: Champion of Fenris

So more money for more nonsense? Gotcha.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So more money for more nonsense? Gotcha.

Dammit, beat me to it.

Thanks for sharing images of the LE versions. Pricey.

The inclusion of the Wulfenstone makes me dream fr a Borib bloodfang13th co wolflord. but i know it wont happen. -.-

According to the Wolf a Guard text, it includes everything in the LF edition, plus Champions of Fenris (the supplement, early) and 6 additional prints. Limited to 500 copies.

The LF includes Companies of Fenris (not Champions...), a book about 4 companies of the Wolves. Limited to 1000 copies.

I'm trying to understand why they gave Murderfang Furious Charge, when the Murderclaws already have a Strength value and can't be modified. If they said S: User, then I could see it. So what's the benefit of giving Murderfang Furious Charge? The Rampage special rule does not take into account base size or anything else when it comes to being outnumbered. Seems kind of funny then that Murderfang will just about always have +d3 attacks every round. It will be funny the first time he is challenged though. "Monstrosity! I challenge you! Come and... oh dear Gawd! What have I... no... ahhh!" screams abruptly cut off to be replaced with the sound of Murderclaws eviscerating the challenger. Murderclaw: "RAOR!" The additional wounds carried over into the unit are people falling dead in fear, or being incidentally hit by the huge, whirling Murderclaws...

If I were a technologically advanced race going to war with a Space Marine chapter with a robot named 'Murderfang', I might be pooping in my pants a little. Let's say I was a Tau Crisis Shas'vre. I was born into the Fire Warrior caste, and studied war/fought in wars for my entire life. My actions and deeds have allowed me to rise through the ranks, and I have brought much honor to my people until I'm now piloting a XV8-B MK II Crisis Suit. It has a built in darksun filter, multispectrum targeting and scanning system, advanced salvo micro missile system, and the new GH-23 Kinetic Fusion Blaster weapon system. I have fought the forces of the Imperium before, and have not been impressed except by their barbarity on the battlefield. Now, on the eve of battle, I'm handed intelligence on a new threat: A hulking, primitive robot machine piloted by the (mostly) dead carcass of a fallen warrior named 'MURDERFANG'. Its primary armament is listed as two claw like weapons made of a cold, almost icelike metal that never melts called "MURDERCLAWS". Appended is the last video recordings of Murderfang charging a unit of Fire Warriors, belching fire from a secondary weapon and both Murderclaws whirling before blood and screams are heard in the video. A Crisis suit lands nearby, and unloads both it's Kinetic Fusion Blasters at point blank range into Murderfang. An unearthly howl of rage comes from Murderfang as he simply... guts the crisis suit with the still dripping, bloody Murderclaws just recently used on the Fire Warriors. It's brutal, and savage on a level never seen before, and it's hard to believe that Humans are considered a technology advanced race. Who, or what kind of race would create such a...thing for war?

Just for this visual alone will I have to purchase Murderfang. Though it's absurd with the use of 'Murder <noun>' everywhere, the psychological impact on my opponent would be worth it. "And now Murderfang charges. He has two Murderclaws and Murderlust, meaning 4 base attacks, +1 for two claws, +2 for rampage, and oh! You out number me so I'll get +d3 more attacks... with rerolls..."