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 Scrub wrote:
I think I must be the minority then but I think the chariot is great! Sums up the total madness that is Warhammer for me, in the best possible way!

I'd remove the wolves and have a Dark Eldar style hover skiff, use the creatures for something else.

You are not in the minority, at least until the few pages.

I personally LOVE it.

I have this desire to convert it into a hover surf board so Logan can have the maximum '90s Sky Surfer Strikeforce thing going with all the stormwolfs that will be in the background.

I personally love the chariot idea. To me it perfectly fits the Space Wolf aesthetic. Can no one else picture Logan flying along in this, smiting Orks left and right with his axe? Thunderwolves and the smaller Fenrisian wolves crashing into Warbikers, tearing them from their rides...Blood Claws and Wolf guard smashing into the Boyz all medieval style?

I showed the chariot picture to a mate who hasn't played 40k for a few years (started in early 2nd edition) and his response was "are you serious? Games Workshop have totally lost the plot".

Honestly... whether or not you like the Logan chariot (I kind of like it in a bat-poop-crazy kind of way) it does make me feel like GW are just fishing for ideas and bloating 40k. One problem with getting rid of specialist games and pushing 40k like mad and now with the increasing release rate I can't help but feel, with releases like this, it's a game that's just gotten too big and bloated.

People are going to use the "It's a game with pain eating space pixies and people dropping from space in buckets to fight in hand to hand!" defense on me here, but doesn't tying two wolves to the front of a hover-chariot mean that it can't take advantage of being a hover chariot? I mean, what if Logan wants to hover over a body of water? Do the puppies just drown?

 Da Boss wrote:
People are going to use the "It's a game with pain eating space pixies and people dropping from space in buckets to fight in hand to hand!" defense on me here, but doesn't tying two wolves to the front of a hover-chariot mean that it can't take advantage of being a hover chariot? I mean, what if Logan wants to hover over a body of water? Do the puppies just drown?

They Dog-Paddle

Riiiiiight.

Well, enjoy it! I find 40K more fun if it is a little less blatant in it's shout outs to teenage stupidity. Maybe I'm just getting old.

 Anpu42 wrote:

They Dog-Paddle

Aaaaaaannnnnnndddd exalted.

I love it, personally I'm hoping Logan gets some kind of rule about being able to assault from it.

Then I can gleefully imagine it scything through hordes of xenos only for Logan to action leap off and continue the battle on foot.

It just sort of ups the ante in the ''Space wolves and their wolf guns in their wolf boats'' stupidity, and takes away from the grim dark space-vikings they should be.


They should take a step away from the wolf theme, and go back to viking.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Scrub wrote:
I think I must be the minority then but I think the chariot is great! Sums up the total madness that is Warhammer for me, in the best possible way!

I'd remove the wolves and have a Dark Eldar style hover skiff, use the creatures for something else.

You are not in the minority, at least until the few pages.

I personally LOVE it.

I love it. People should google "war chariot" to see that it isnt at all ridiculous . I cannot understand this hate towards it but I have never heard anyone make a fuss about a marine riding a motorcycle like a hells angel member . Come on! not even hells angel fight from their bikes ^^. Its a great model, it isnt all brick shaped like everything else GW makes for the empire It makes perfect sense in the universe. Theres even a guy in daemons who fight from a throne and no-one ever noticed this??

 Da Boss wrote:
Riiiiiight.

Well, enjoy it! I find 40K more fun if it is a little less blatant in it's shout outs to teenage stupidity. Maybe I'm just getting old.

I'm old [35] and I think it's great. For me, the whole "This is supposed to be Grimdark take it SERIOUSLY ffs" attitude is much more childish than a tongue in cheek approach to what is only a game of toy soldiers at the end of the day. Each to their own though.

I like it, as stated earlier, but I do think it has some issues.

My main issue is the ground running wolves with a landspeeder type skimmer.

Maybe if they weren't chained to it, so they could ride it with him then jump out in an assault(fluff wise).

It also makes me curious about the rules...is it a skimmer? I can't help but think they put the wolves there to deny it skimmer rules.

Realised I have seen an awesome snowy barbarian chariot before.
Love Frank Frazetta, dont know if this painting help Grimnars model or put it to shame.
http://frankfrazetta.org/viewimage.php?loc=frank_frazetta_thesilverwarrior.jpg

Not a Chariot but an enhanced Grav Ice Cutter /WyrmBoat - makes me think of the first scene in Prospero Burns ...so I love it .

I think chariots are really weak now with the new rules. Characters can't leave them so no to the person who asked if Logan could assault out of it. They usually have two hull points and if they die, so does the character. You could lose 300 or so points of Logan Claus by being glanced twice! To me that is too easy for your opponent to do. He is more likely to survive on foot. If he deep strikes he is not really much slower either. Also I don't think the new plastic is as nice as my older metal Logan. Now if it is AV14 and has an invulnerable save it might be ok but I really don't see why characters have to die with their chariot.

godswildcard wrote:
Ok, I know I'm late to the party (as my own research has just shown me), but...

WHY ON EARTH ARE THE DIGITAL EDITIONS OF THE BOOKS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE REGULAR???!!!

Mind=blown. That is ridiculous.

In the UK you don't pay VAT (sales tax of 20%) on printed books, however you do on ebooks. Blame the government!

 monkeypuzzle wrote:
I think chariots are really weak now with the new rules. Characters can't leave them so no to the person who asked if Logan could assault out of it. They usually have two hull points and if they die, so does the character. You could lose 300 or so points of Logan Claus by being glanced twice! To me that is too easy for your opponent to do. He is more likely to survive on foot. If he deep strikes he is not really much slower either. Also I don't think the new plastic is as nice as my older metal Logan. Now if it is AV14 and has an invulnerable save it might be ok but I really don't see why characters have to die with their chariot.

Wouldn't you redirect anything that could harm the chariot to the TDA Logan?

Then direct anything that can't hurt it to the chariot.

So I think it's cool. But I don't take my Warhams to seriouz

 Hulksmash wrote:
So I think it's cool. But I don't take my Warhams to seriouz

Nobody should

 Bulldogging wrote:

 monkeypuzzle wrote:
I think chariots are really weak now with the new rules. Characters can't leave them so no to the person who asked if Logan could assault out of it. They usually have two hull points and if they die, so does the character. You could lose 300 or so points of Logan Claus by being glanced twice! To me that is too easy for your opponent to do. He is more likely to survive on foot. If he deep strikes he is not really much slower either. Also I don't think the new plastic is as nice as my older metal Logan. Now if it is AV14 and has an invulnerable save it might be ok but I really don't see why characters have to die with their chariot.

Wouldn't you redirect anything that could harm the chariot to the TDA Logan?

Then direct anything that can't hurt it to the chariot.

I know I am being fussy but that doesn't work against blasts or in assault. Too easy to kill in assault. I'll stick to using him on foot.

 Hulksmash wrote:
So I think it's cool. But I don't take my Warhams to seriouz

I don't take my 40k too seriously but I also don't take it that stupidly.

I know for some people it's still within their realm of silly, but for me it's pushing my limits, even by 40k standards it's pretty silly.

As a SW player I would have much much rather they pushed the "Space Viking" thing more with this release instead of wolfy mcwolf murder wolf claw fang of murder wolf.

But then, I also dislike TWC (awesome models, stupid concept).

I don't take 40K super seriously, but I still have my limits. That chariot is well over my limit!

Not as dumb as Murderfang, the Murdercursed, who fights with his Murderclaws because he suffers from Murder-rage.

(I mean, the above isn't even an exaggeration any more!)

Im loving the grimnar chariot combo. It fits the space wolf norse/theme. I hope we get more detailed pics soon. Myonly complaint is logans hair looks rushed, but i srill love the model and his hair is probably due to it being in plastic.

I remember when people complained about thunder wolves being stupid. When people complain I remember that this game is a sci fi fantasy game that is no where near reality. As for those talking about hover chariots and wolves... the chariot hovers but has no propulsion... therefore he is using the powerful wolves to pull him because he is fighting ground troops, not airplanes lol.

 monkeypuzzle wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:

 monkeypuzzle wrote:
I think chariots are really weak now with the new rules. Characters can't leave them so no to the person who asked if Logan could assault out of it. They usually have two hull points and if they die, so does the character. You could lose 300 or so points of Logan Claus by being glanced twice! To me that is too easy for your opponent to do. He is more likely to survive on foot. If he deep strikes he is not really much slower either. Also I don't think the new plastic is as nice as my older metal Logan. Now if it is AV14 and has an invulnerable save it might be ok but I really don't see why characters have to die with their chariot.

Wouldn't you redirect anything that could harm the chariot to the TDA Logan?

Then direct anything that can't hurt it to the chariot.

I know I am being fussy but that doesn't work against blasts or in assault. Too easy to kill in assault. I'll stick to using him on foot.

Ok I knew about the blasts/templates, but I didn't not know about the assault issue(haven't actually played a chariot in 7th).

That changes my mind about the chariot dramatically, It needs to have a high AV then, 13 minimum.

Just remembered the HP changes from pens in assault. I hope they made the chariot worth it.

Guess I should actually sit down and read the chariot rules again.

The recent Space Wolf releases remind me of the scene in The Big Lebowski where they come outside of the bowling alley and the nihilists are waiting for them.


Please don't bypass the language filter like this. reds8n


RIP Space Wolves. There is literally nothing good left about them. The Thunderwolf Cavalry last time around were bad enough. The Wolfboat Clownshoe Gunship with a freeze ray... Good lord, where to even start with how awful that is, and well, Loganator on a Wolf Sled, that's just the nail in the coffin. The Space Wolves are ruined beyond repair.

The dismal FY14 reports for GW had me a bit troubled at first, but maybe its slow, inevitable death is for the best, lol.

For me, the individual parts are all amazing. But the sum they create is hilariously awful.

Land mammals dragging a hover ship?

Now I fully expect my dark eldar to get a six wheeled cart hauled by two tethered Razorwing jet-fighters

Hahahaha that chariot is ridiculous and not the good kind of ridiculous.

Logan looks fine, though.

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Reds8n

To be fair, I more or less have quit 40K, though it was "too late" years ago. But the overall aesthetic of the game is important to how I enjoy it. And this kind of shark jumping dampens my entire love for the universe. So you can take your immature, snakry reply somewhere else kiddo.


How about you be less worried about what other people think and concentrate on yourself. This is a discussion forum. If you were looking for a consensus forum, you're on the wrong Internet.