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**reds8n**

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/first-look-avengers-2-ew-cover-reveals-ultron-iron-man-captain-america

We get our first look at The Avengers 2 with Iron Man, Captain America and Ultron as EW debuted the cover to their latest issue which previews Comic-Con.

We see Robert Downey Jr. and Chris Evans alongside the main Ultron villain and the Ultron drones in the background.

EW.com offered the following details:

Tony Stark has devised a plan that won’t require him to put on the Iron Man suit anymore, and should allow Captain America, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and the Hulk to get some much needed R&R as well. His solution is Ultron, self-aware, self-teaching, artificial intelligence designed to help assess threats, and direct Stark’s Iron Legion of drones to battle evildoers instead.

Ultron (played by James Spader through performance-capture technology) lacks the human touch, and his superior intellect quickly determines that life on Earth would go a lot smoother if he just got rid of Public Enemy No. 1: Human beings. “Ultron sees the big picture and he goes, ‘Okay, we need radical change, which will be violent and appalling, in order to make everything better’; he’s not just going ‘Muhaha, soon I’ll rule!’” Whedon says, rubbing his hands together.

“He’s on a mission,” the filmmaker adds, and smiles thinly. “He wants to save us.”

[Ultron is] capable of uploading himself and disappearing not into the clouds but the Cloud. And he has a bad habit of rebuilding himself into stronger and more fearsome physical forms.

**Paradigm**

Ultron looks awesome. Not convinced yet on the story side of the character, but the aesthetic is pretty cool.

For those more versed in comics than I, how close is this to the original character? I know they've subbed Pym for Stark (which seems odd given they've already cast Pym, this could introduce him before Ant Man), but the whole 'saving humanity' thing is new, isn't it?

And I though IM3 already proved Stark didn't have to wear the armour? He spent most of the film as Normal Man

**Ahtman**

Paradigm wrote:
And I though IM3 already proved Stark didn't have to wear the armour? He spent most of the film as Normal Man

Well if his drone armor turns against him he might need it, which is a possibility I laid out back when IM3 came out.

**Ensis Ferrae**

I'm also hazy on Ultron... But I could conceivably see Pym being a high level scientist within Stark Enterprises, tasked as a manager in overseeing this project. In which case, he'd still be the guy who invents Ultron, but now it's a Stark Enterprise thing.

**gorgon**

Paradigm wrote:
Ultron looks awesome. Not convinced yet on the story side of the character, but the aesthetic is pretty cool.

For those more versed in comics than I, how close is this to the original character? I know they've subbed Pym for Stark (which seems odd given they've already cast Pym, this could introduce him before Ant Man), but the whole 'saving humanity' thing is new, isn't it?

And I though IM3 already proved Stark didn't have to wear the armour? He spent most of the film as Normal Man

I don't remember it in the older stuff, but I intentionally avoided all the Age of Ultron event, so it might have come up recently.

Honestly, it still sounds pretty "muah-ha-ha," and not terribly original. I think I'd almost prefer good ol' crazy homidical Ultron without any real agenda.

**Frazzled**

gorgon wrote:
Paradigm wrote:
Ultron looks awesome. Not convinced yet on the story side of the character, but the aesthetic is pretty cool.

For those more versed in comics than I, how close is this to the original character? I know they've subbed Pym for Stark (which seems odd given they've already cast Pym, this could introduce him before Ant Man), but the whole 'saving humanity' thing is new, isn't it?

And I though IM3 already proved Stark didn't have to wear the armour? He spent most of the film as Normal Man

I don't remember it in the older stuff, but I intentionally avoided all the Age of Ultron event, so it might have come up recently.

Honestly, it still sounds pretty "muah-ha-ha," and not terribly original. I think I'd almost prefer good ol' crazy homidical Ultron without any real agenda.

Its almost like there were a whole series of movies when a sentient computer decided mankind needed to be opted out. The name...escapes me...

**squidhills**

Paradigm wrote:
He spent most of the film as Normal Man

I used to love that comic. I wish they'd make a movie of it.

**Ahtman**

As far as I know the comic storyline Age of Ultron has nothing to do with the movie Age of Ultron other than sharing a title. The comic version had time travel and alternate worlds.

I don't now the character all that well but I know there have been different versions based on upgrades. He also tends to have some wierd personality issues as he sees Pym as his Dad, The Wasp as his Mom, and the Vision as his son. I think he does believe that he is best suited to bring order to the world and thus constantly tries to take over it. I know he played a role in the cosmic Annihilation series which involved some of the people that in the Guardians of the Galaxy.

This is Ultron reborn as part machine/part organic and patterned after his "mom". Because why not.

**Paradigm**

Ahtman wrote:
As far as I know the comic storyline Age of Ultron has nothing to do with the movie Age of Ultron other than sharing a title. The comic version had time travel and alternate worlds.

I don't now the character all that well but I know there have been different versions based on upgrades. He also tends to have some wierd personality issues as he sees Pym as his Dad, The Wasp as his Mom, and the Vision as his son. I think he does believe that he is best suited to bring order to the world and thus constantly tries to take over it. I know he played a role in the cosmic Annihilation series which involved some of the people that in the Guardians of the Galaxy.

This is Ultron reborn as part machine/part organic and patterned after his "mom". Because why not.

And for even more weird points, that version of Ultron was made of a fusion of Tony Stark and his armour.

**Sigvatr**

She-Thor or Thor?

**Ouze**

The plot sounds like they're expanding on all the parts of Iron Man 3 that sucked.

I remain hopeful nonetheless.

**Frazzled**

Oh....

my....

**Hollismason**

Really like that Captain America uniform, glad they got rid of the terrible one.

**Ensis Ferrae**

Hollismason wrote:
Really like that Captain America uniform, glad they got rid of the terrible one.

Would it be bad of me to wonder what the MCU people would do if they introduced Union Jack to fight alongside Cap?

**Paradigm**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Hollismason wrote:
Really like that Captain America uniform, glad they got rid of the terrible one.

Would it be bad of me to wonder what the MCU people would do if they introduced Union Jack to fight alongside Cap?

Bad or good, THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN! When you consider that Union Jack is a cross between Captain America, James Bond and Arthur Pendragon, he's just the most awesome super-hero ever!

The British guy in the Howling Commandos in The First Avenger had the name of the original UJ, and in Cap 2 apparently Peggy Carter ends up having married him, so I'm quietly hopeful we'll see UJ in the Agent Carter show at some point...

**gorgon**

to Union Jack.

**timetowaste85**

I'm surprised so many people here don't know the Ultron origins. Hank Pym created Ultron in a similar vein as the sentinels: to protect humanity. But just like sentinels, Ultron decided the world would be safer without humans. Ultron later created Vision to help him achieve his goals, but Vision discovered his humanity and switched teams. Ultron isn't technically evil, he's just insanely radical. He's still a massive threat to the Marvel universe.

**reds8n**

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07/16/more-avengers-age-of-ultron-photos/

more pics but nothing too amazing -- Rhodey cameos at least.

Have heard there's a scene early on where the Avengers are relaxing/celebrating after a fight and taking it in turns to try and lift Thor's hammer.

**Frazzled**

timetowaste85 wrote:
I'm surprised so many people here don't know the Ultron origins.

Because while we are all geeks here, for most of us comic book geekiness isn't our preferred geekiness.

**gorgon**

timetowaste85 wrote:
I'm surprised so many people here don't know the Ultron origins. Hank Pym created Ultron in a similar vein as the sentinels: to protect humanity. But just like sentinels, Ultron decided the world would be safer without humans. Ultron later created Vision to help him achieve his goals, but Vision discovered his humanity and switched teams. Ultron isn't technically evil, he's just insanely radical. He's still a massive threat to the Marvel universe.

Please. If Ultron had an adamantium mustache, he'd be twirling it. It's an evil killer robot first and foremost.

**H.B.M.C.**

Paradigm wrote:
Ultron looks awesome. Not convinced yet on the story side of the character, but the aesthetic is pretty cool.

The story side is classic Ultron and his completely cold unfeeling unemotional logic:

Primary directive - Achieve world peace.
Obstacle to primary directive - Humanity's destructive nature.
Solution to Obstacle - Remove humanity from equation.

Ultron's great, and I'm glad he's the next villain. And you're right, he looks awesome.

Paradigm wrote:
And I though IM3 already proved Stark didn't have to wear the armour? He spent most of the film as Normal Man

And we all pray to the One Above All that this movie fixes the mistakes of the past.

Frazzled wrote:
Its almost like there were a whole series of movies when a sentient computer decided mankind needed to be opted out. The name...escapes me...

The Terminator - 1984
Ultron - 1968

Ultron is older than the Terminator, and he may (just may) be older than you Frazz.

**Paradigm**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Paradigm wrote:
And I though IM3 already proved Stark didn't have to wear the armour? He spent most of the film as Normal Man

And we all pray to the One Above All that this movie fixes the mistakes of the past.

I fear there may be too much to fix...

How I see it going:

Stark builds Ultron+drones+uses non-worn armour to sub for Avengers in a typically complacent style
Ultron goes crazy with Drones, and either takes over or destroys the suits.
Stark reveals he has kept a suit hidden (with obligatory 'better than the baddies' upgrade) and gets a new Arc Reactor to power it.
Stark's back in black as IM alongside the Avengers.
Gak goes down.

Which could work, I suppose, but it's a little typical. Still, the strength of The Avengers came from the excellent writing and acting as opposed to an amazing plot, so I still have very high hopes.

The other thing I'm wondering is where Hydra and Strucker fit in with all of this?

**H.B.M.C.**

I do hope that this doesn't turn into a "Drones are bad, m'kay!" story.

**gorgon**

Paradigm wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:

Paradigm wrote:
And I though IM3 already proved Stark didn't have to wear the armour? He spent most of the film as Normal Man

And we all pray to the One Above All that this movie fixes the mistakes of the past.

I fear there may be too much to fix...

How I see it going:

Stark builds Ultron+drones+uses non-worn armour to sub for Avengers in a typically complacent style
Ultron goes crazy with Drones, and either takes over or destroys the suits.
Stark reveals he has kept a suit hidden (with obligatory 'better than the baddies' upgrade) and gets a new Arc Reactor to power it.
Stark's back in black as IM alongside the Avengers.
Gak goes down.

Which could work, I suppose, but it's a little typical. Still, the strength of The Avengers came from the excellent writing and acting as opposed to an amazing plot, so I still have very high hopes.

The other thing I'm wondering is where Hydra and Strucker fit in with all of this?

I think it's probably a good choice to keep the plot somewhat formulaic and simple given the large cast of characters to juggle and all the set action pieces. The room isn't there to make it the next Citizen Kane. It'll be big, fun, and probably kinda dumb if you stop to think about it afterward. And that's okay. What gets me is when fanboys act as though Avengers is somehow *worlds apart* from Michael Bay films.

**H.B.M.C.**

Two things:

1. They are, but...
2. ... using the term "Michael Bay Films" is silly, because his some of his more recent efforts (Pain & Gain and the Transformers films) are vastly different films.

**gorgon**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I do hope that this doesn't turn into a "Drones are bad, m'kay!" story.

That ground was already covered in Winter Soldier, I think. Which I liked a lot, but it was closer to "mmkay" than the "complex political thriller" that was promised.

**Soladrin**

Frazzled wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
I'm surprised so many people here don't know the Ultron origins.

Because while we are all geeks here, for most of us comic book geekiness isn't our preferred geekiness.

Yet you keep coming into these threads to tell us how silly we are for liking it.

**timetowaste85**

gorgon wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
I'm surprised so many people here don't know the Ultron origins. Hank Pym created Ultron in a similar vein as the sentinels: to protect humanity. But just like sentinels, Ultron decided the world would be safer without humans. Ultron later created Vision to help him achieve his goals, but Vision discovered his humanity and switched teams. Ultron isn't technically evil, he's just insanely radical. He's still a massive threat to the Marvel universe.

Please. If Ultron had an adamantium mustache, he'd be twirling it. It's an evil killer robot first and foremost.

You...don't really understand the character, do you? Another poster past you summed him up in three bullet points and did a good job, so I won't rehash.

**Platuan4th**

timetowaste85 wrote:
gorgon wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
I'm surprised so many people here don't know the Ultron origins. Hank Pym created Ultron in a similar vein as the sentinels: to protect humanity. But just like sentinels, Ultron decided the world would be safer without humans. Ultron later created Vision to help him achieve his goals, but Vision discovered his humanity and switched teams. Ultron isn't technically evil, he's just insanely radical. He's still a massive threat to the Marvel universe.

Please. If Ultron had an adamantium mustache, he'd be twirling it. It's an evil killer robot first and foremost.

You...don't really understand the character, do you? Another poster past you summed him up in three bullet points and did a good job, so I won't rehash.

There's been multiple incarnations of Ultron and many of them have very much been evil speciesist robot with world domination plans.

As with every character, it's all about who's writing.

**Goliath**

So the Vision's origin looks to be roughly similar to in the comics, as reported by IGN. Ultron creates The Vision in order to prove to Stark that he is capable of creating life, presumably in a bid to prove that he isn't evil.

IGN wrote:Avengers: Age of Ultron will introduce the character The Vision, and now we know more details on his filmic origin story. Beware of spoilers.

Entertainment Weekly (via Slashfilm) explains how the origin is tied to that of Ultron, the chief antagonist. While Ultron was created by Hank Pym in the comics, the movie will instead see Tony Stark making him to lead an army when the Avengers are busy. Ultron then goes rogue and makes The Vision in order to prove to Stark that he can also create life.

Thought not officially announced, Paul Bettany has been cast as The Vision, after having played Stark's smart-home artificial intelligence, J.A.R.V.I.S. Director Joss Whedon confirmed a connection between The Vision and J.A.R.V.I.S. by saying "it's not a coincidence" that Bettany plays both, but declined to give more details.

The EW cover story recently gave us our first look at Ultron as well.