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 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Quick someone work out who is the victim so we can blame them for this

Tax Payers

Eh, I am disillusioned with the for-profit prison system and multiple decades of terrible unreliable eyewitness fake trials which put people wrongly in prison.

I think this ruling is probably 'correct' as in it is not a deterrent and is never reasonably implemented... It would remove a whole layer of dredging up trial to make it explicitly gruesome to harm the family and convince 12 people to go for death penalty.

I guess californians will have to decide via their legislature if they really care or not. I am not going to lose sleep over it regardless how the issue swings because it has terrible issues on both sides.

Throw it to a vote for California to decide

I'm glad. I've a fair amount contempt for punishment for punishment's sake and even more for revenge. I'm no fan of killing human beings either, so the Death Penalty is just an all around "Nope. Nope. Nope" for me. As far as I'm concerned any win against it is a good win.

I'm pretty sure that people are going to hate for this opinion, but i am for death penalty on mentally sick murderers, all others that were judged sane should be for forced labour for the rest of their lives...
Few years ago in Canada some sick was in the bus, and for no reason he cut off the head of the guy sitting next to him and then started to eat his internal organs, but since he is a sick psychopath he was released after some time in mental hospital... YOU. STUPID. IDIOTS. If a rabid dog eats a kid on the middle of the street, we are going to put him down, but if a man can't tell that cutting off the head and eating the inernal organs of some random guy in full bus is NOT WHAT SANE person would do, WE LET THEM LIVE, of course!!

ThatSwellFella wrote:
I'm pretty sure that people are going to hate for this opinion, but i am for death penalty on mentally sick murderers, all others that were judged sane should be for forced labour for the rest of their lives...
Few years ago in Canada some sick was in the bus, and for no reason he cut off the head of the guy sitting next to him and then started to eat his internal organs, but since he is a sick psychopath he was released after some time in mental hospital... YOU. STUPID. IDIOTS. If a rabid dog eats a kid on the middle of the street, we are going to put him down, but if a man can't tell that cutting off the head and eating the inernal organs of some random guy in full bus is NOT WHAT SANE person would do, WE LET THEM LIVE, of course!!

Well... that's your opinion man. /The Dude

But you do bring up a point. It depends on why the death penalty exists. Is it a deterrence? Or is it simply society saying "you don't deserve to live"?

ThatSwellFella wrote:
I'm pretty sure that people are going to hate for this opinion, but i am for death penalty on mentally sick murderers, all others that were judged sane should be for forced labour for the rest of their lives...
Few years ago in Canada some sick was in the bus, and for no reason he cut off the head of the guy sitting next to him and then started to eat his internal organs, but since he is a sick psychopath he was released after some time in mental hospital... YOU. STUPID. IDIOTS. If a rabid dog eats a kid on the middle of the street, we are going to put him down, but if a man can't tell that cutting off the head and eating the inernal organs of some random guy in full bus is NOT WHAT SANE person would do, WE LET THEM LIVE, of course!!

No, no. I don't think you're gonna get the backlash you think you will. This is a rather american-heavy forum after all.

Jeffrey Dahmer didn't get the Death penalty but was still executed

Good thing i don't have the right to decide about death penalty, half of the prisoners would be zapped on a chair

Why do you have criminals left to kill? Surely all your guns protect you and take out the crims at the same time? :confused:

 SilverMK2 wrote:
Why do you have criminals left to kill? Surely all your guns protect you and take out the crims at the same time? :confused:

Because we're all rebels... isn't that right Mr. Redcoats?

Pilot program is about to start up. Criminals get a one way trip to some island like continent in the southern hemisphere

 SilverMK2 wrote:
Why do you have criminals left to kill? Surely all your guns protect you and take out the crims at the same time? :confused:

Not allowed to use convicts as target practice in America.

 Chongara wrote:
I'm glad. I've a fair amount contempt for punishment for punishment's sake and even more for revenge. I'm no fan of killing human beings either, so the Death Penalty is just an all around "Nope. Nope. Nope" for me. As far as I'm concerned any win against it is a good win.

Are you being..... soft on crime?

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Watch these movies. Free on youtube. They may well change your mind on the death penalty, as you'll see just how easy it is to sentence innocents to death.

There's a case in Texas where I think it's pretty likely an innocent man was executed as well, there's an article that is quite long but fascinating.

 LordofHats wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I'm all for the death penalty, but I quite agree with the judge in this case. If you're going to give the sentence it MUST be carried out or it serves no purpose.

I can get behind this. I get that we want to be really careful with the death penalty, but if someone's just going to be on death row for years and years, we might as well have just given them a prison sentence anyway.

Indeed.

Let them have unlimited appeals, but no delays to the carrying out of the sentence. Give them a time limit instead. Don't let them stall the process so much it might as well have been a life sentence.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I'm all for the death penalty, but I quite agree with the judge in this case. If you're going to give the sentence it MUST be carried out or it serves no purpose.

I can get behind this. I get that we want to be really careful with the death penalty, but if someone's just going to be on death row for years and years, we might as well have just given them a prison sentence anyway.

Indeed.

Let them have unlimited appeals, but no delays to the carrying out of the sentence. Give them a time limit instead. Don't let them stall the process so much it might as well have been a life sentence.

the problem is that we've had people released and exonerated after 30 years on death row.

Without that time, the state would have executed an innocent person.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I'm all for the death penalty, but I quite agree with the judge in this case. If you're going to give the sentence it MUST be carried out or it serves no purpose.

I can get behind this. I get that we want to be really careful with the death penalty, but if someone's just going to be on death row for years and years, we might as well have just given them a prison sentence anyway.

Indeed.

Let them have unlimited appeals, but no delays to the carrying out of the sentence. Give them a time limit instead. Don't let them stall the process so much it might as well have been a life sentence.

the problem is that we've had people released and exonerated after 30 years on death row.

Without that time, the state would have executed an innocent person.

That was because they simply didn't have the forensic technology then they do now.

I'm very confident convictions we get from recently onward will have a much better record. 30 years ago was a very different time.

And even if we wrongly convict a small portion of death row inmates, better that those few are wrongly executed then to let the majority get away with heinous crimes.


Unless you can prove that our current method has a huge number of false convictions then there is no good reason to suspend the Death Penalty.

We dont have the death penalty in our country. For many reasons.

The reason I am against it is due to the lack of empathy involved by those who agree with it. While prison doesnt work in rehabilitation I personally dont think killing is the right way to go about it.

I once watched a documentary of a kid who grew up in an abusive household before being adopted into a normal family and she was a typical horror story psychopathic child. Killed animals, molested and frequently harmed her brother etc. She felt no empathy because she was mentally incapable of doing so. Had she killed someone (which many kids like that do) then would she have been killed by the death penalty? Because we choose to show a lack of empathy towards someone who mentally cannot?

Of course not all killers are mentally insane. But the general opinion here is that there are far too many what ifs and buts involved in the death penalty. Too easy to make mistakes.

Plus prisons have their own justice system. No gang will let you be if you raped a kid for example. Its pretty harsh in there if you have done crimes like that. Let them beat each other up as people of their own level.

I can see some positives to the death penalty but overall it clearly doesnt work (as it seems there are a lot of people on the waiting list) but I personally find it very distasteful to wish death upon another human.

 Swastakowey wrote:
We dont have the death penalty in our country. For many reasons.

The reason I am against it is due to the lack of empathy involved by those who agree with it. While prison doesnt work in rehabilitation I personally dont think killing is the right way to go about it.

I once watched a documentary of a kid who grew up in an abusive household before being adopted into a normal family and she was a typical horror story psychopathic child. Killed animals, molested and frequently harmed her brother etc. She felt no empathy because she was mentally incapable of doing so. Had she killed someone (which many kids like that do) then would she have been killed by the death penalty? Because we choose to show a lack of empathy towards someone who mentally cannot?

Of course not all killers are mentally insane. But the general opinion here is that there are far too many what ifs and buts involved in the death penalty. Too easy to make mistakes.

Plus prisons have their own justice system. No gang will let you be if you raped a kid for example. Its pretty harsh in there if you crimes like that. Let them beat each other up as people of their own level.

I can see some positives to the death penalty but overall it clearly doesnt work (as it seems there are a lot of people on the waiting list) but I personally find it very distasteful to wish death upon another human.

Think about it like this.

If you can't rehabilitate someone, and it would certainly be cruel to let them rot in a prison or a rehab facility, death is the logical solution.

If someone can't show Empathy, why do they deserve better?

We don't wish death on people, we'd rather not have to do this. Just like we'd rather not have to put down a rabid dog. But we have to for the greater good of the community.

No, you don't.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
We dont have the death penalty in our country. For many reasons.

The reason I am against it is due to the lack of empathy involved by those who agree with it. While prison doesnt work in rehabilitation I personally dont think killing is the right way to go about it.

I once watched a documentary of a kid who grew up in an abusive household before being adopted into a normal family and she was a typical horror story psychopathic child. Killed animals, molested and frequently harmed her brother etc. She felt no empathy because she was mentally incapable of doing so. Had she killed someone (which many kids like that do) then would she have been killed by the death penalty? Because we choose to show a lack of empathy towards someone who mentally cannot?

Of course not all killers are mentally insane. But the general opinion here is that there are far too many what ifs and buts involved in the death penalty. Too easy to make mistakes.

Plus prisons have their own justice system. No gang will let you be if you raped a kid for example. Its pretty harsh in there if you crimes like that. Let them beat each other up as people of their own level.

I can see some positives to the death penalty but overall it clearly doesnt work (as it seems there are a lot of people on the waiting list) but I personally find it very distasteful to wish death upon another human.

Think about it like this.

If you can't rehabilitate someone, and it would certainly be cruel to let them rot in a prison or a rehab facility, death is the logical solution.

If someone can't show Empathy, why do they deserve better?

We don't wish death on people, we'd rather not have to do this. Just like we'd rather not have to put down a rabid dog. But we have to for the greater good of the community.

I think its better to let them waste their life in prison where they have a chance at forgiveness than kill them outright.

Remember rabies results in death naturally, without a cure. Its humane to kill a dog/human suffering from advance rabies because its a horrific death. I watched a documentary which videoed the various stages of rabies in a human and that death was not pleasant to watch. So its not a very good comparison.

 Grey Templar wrote:
And even if we wrongly convict a small portion of death row inmates, better that those few are wrongly executed then to let the majority get away with heinous crimes.

Chilling.

 Grey Templar wrote:
And even if we wrongly convict a small portion of death row inmates, better that those few are wrongly executed then to let the majority get away with heinous crimes.

Congratulations, you're a monster.

We're all monsters.We're all capable within ourselves to justify a killing/execution to fit into our perception

I daresay most people won't be able to justify knowingly killing innocent people to serve some perverted ideal of justice.

And no, we're not all monsters; that's the kind of rationalization you do to excuse your own horrible actions*.


*I'm generalizing here, not pointing at you specifically.

 Jihadin wrote:
We're all monsters.We're all capable within ourselves to justify a killing/execution to fit into our perception

Speak for yourself dude.