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Public Transportation is also garbage in Cincinnati. There are only 4-5 metropolitan areas in the United States where you can live outside the "heart" of the city and still be able to reasonably take reliable public transit.

Cincinnati is not one of them.

 Bullockist wrote:
D-usa you warm my heart and make me think the US is a good country...sadly everyone else kills that.

Seriously everyone , next time you see a homeless person give them some cash and talk to them, they need human contact, and most of them are beautiful people who NEED a conversation. It doesn't cost us much, but makes such a difference to them.
* I've been doing this for 10 years
it's interesting finding out the inequalities they face. Like in Austalia, the cost of a room, even whilst on benefits means they cannot eat.

Giving them cash is the worst way to help them. Where I live you can set them up with an agency specifically designed to get homeless people off the streets and give them job training. Also, many churches give free housing to the homeless.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Dude if you got necrosis due to a priapism, I think you should not be thinking about the lottery right now. Though that'd be the brain damage talking...

I'm just trying to let you down gently.

Welfare is filthy socialism d-usa, and I'll thank you not to mention it without first putting up trigger warnings.

I was thinking it was falling down the stairs that caused the damage...but if my Dr thinks so...lols i thought you were called DrWhitey....so much less impressed now

nkelsch wrote:
a bunch of stuff that shows you DO NOT READ what I type... seriously

Spoiler:

 easysauce wrote:


if you are too lazy to make one trip to that market 5 km away each week, but find the time to make 21 trips a week to fast food places, thats a CHOICE and its on you.

How are people supposed to get a week's worth of food transported 5km without a car? Do you know how hard it is to get 6+ grocery bags on a bus even *IF* you have a cart?

Also: Lots of people in low-income jobs either work in fast food or at a place which is connected to fast food. So it is very easy for those 21 meals a week to eat 5 of them 'lunches' at your employer or commercial center you work near. Double shifts for the working poor and weekend jobs means 14 of those 21 meals are probably at or near work. How is that 'harder' than taking a weeks worth of food on public transportation 5km?

its far more work/time/effort as well, and its far more money to go to fast food places that often. it takes just as long to wait in line as it does to cook stuff.

That assumes you have the space to prepare meals, and the tools to prepare meals in your limited living quarters.

most of your "reasons why its totally ok to eat poorly" are that it is "easier", which is not a proven point, but lets be nice, and assume you are correct that it is "easier" to eat bad food.

so what? dont make the EASY choice... make the hard CHOICE... its a CHOICE... its easier to smoke then to quit, its easier to lay on the couch then to go for a run, its easier to play video games and get fast food then to spend that time shopping and preparing healthy meals for your kids...

Maybe if these people stopped making all the "easiest" choices and actually made the "correct but slightly harder" choice it would get better,

it hardly takes the responsability away from someone making bad choices when you simply assert that "yeah, they are making bad choices, but hey, its the easy way out, so how can you blame em?


also, despite your entitled attitude, cars are 100% NOT required for shopping. there are these magical things called buses that also have the ability to locomote from place to place while carrying you and your groceries.

Spoken like someone who has never taken public transportation in their lives.

Spoiler:

If you don't live in a city, it is easily 45 minutes one-way to a grocery store because bus routs are not A to B, Sometimes you have to go via C,D,E to get to B with a bus only by every 20-30 minutes. And many buses are at capacity and you can't actually carry your cart of groceries on because they don't allow it, especially during peak times, so one now has to take off work to go shopping in your narrative. Most times when you have rapid transportation or empty buses, one would be at work.
[spoiler]
Telling poor people they should 'bootstrap' themselves up because they should do things which are 'hard' don't realize how hard things actually are. Unreasonably so... And just because it can be done, doesn't necessarily mean it is 'ok' for the poor to be pointlessly burdened for no reason.

I work at a soup kitchen with liberal guilt snobby rich people who get so angry when they feel someone 'doesn't deserve' the food we serve... like they are cheating 'the system'. "That person is not really homeless..." or "How dare they take two helpings to take one home with them." If I had my way, I would have more places where families and children could get healthy prepared meals more accessible for them because they are not beating a system, they are trying to avoid being crushed by it. Society is better off giving free food to children than trying to deal with the costs of malnutrition and poor education due to lack of food later. Same can be said for adults who could use those 6-8 hours a week toiling like the good and deserving of hardship poor that they are going to the store to prepare 'healthy meals' for other actions... like taking care of kids, community education programs or simply getting some rest so they can work a double shift. Sadly, 'fast food' is infinitly easier than the fictional narrative of cooking at home which people want to present, and it isn't because they are lazy. Next time you work 16 hour days for 14 days straight... let me know how that trip to the market on the bus works out for you, you lazy slob.

So 'It can be done without a car' rings hollow and out of touch to me. People have hard lives already, it is not laziness which drives them... it is survival and a system stacked against them.

spoken like someone who just amkes stuff up, and doesnt read my posts before stating "do you even public transit bro?!?!"

I have spent the better part of my life, carless, and in poverty.

I have LIVED the experiance I am telling people is doable, and having entitled people like yourself, turn around and tell me I have no experience, living the lifestyle I have practised and am preaching about.

real smart

me : I took the bus, lived in poverty, and found eating healthy to be cheaper and faster then eating at fast food places

you: WTF HAVE YOU NEVER TAKEN THE BUS OR LIVED IN POVERTY!! OMG you are so stupid and wrong.

 Random Dude wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:
D-usa you warm my heart and make me think the US is a good country...sadly everyone else kills that.

Seriously everyone , next time you see a homeless person give them some cash and talk to them, they need human contact, and most of them are beautiful people who NEED a conversation. It doesn't cost us much, but makes such a difference to them.
* I've been doing this for 10 years
it's interesting finding out the inequalities they face. Like in Austalia, the cost of a room, even whilst on benefits means they cannot eat.

Giving them cash is the worst way to help them. Where I live you can set them up with an agency specifically designed to get homeless people off the streets and give them job training. Also, many churches give free housing to the homeless.

Nope it's the best way I can help them.If they need alcohol to get to sleep, I'm giving it to them. Do you understand how the homeless live? walk all night then sleep in the day on concrete. Yeah on concrete, without getting the calories needed to keep them warm on concrete. Funnily enough housing isn't available for most of the homeless. If they need to get drunk to sleep i'll gladly give them the $8, I just think about how if i was in their situation.

Once people haven't showered for a week a job is mostly unnatainable.

 easysauce wrote:
spoken like someone who just amkes stuff up, and doesnt read my posts before

I wonder if anyone else laughed at this. I mean, really.

 easysauce wrote:

me : I took the bus, lived in poverty, and found eating healthy to be cheaper and faster then eating at fast food places

you: WTF HAVE YOU NEVER TAKEN THE BUS OR LIVED IN POVERTY!! OMG you are so stupid and wrong.

You are missing his point entirely. I don't doubt that you did the things you said. More power to you.

However, where did you do these things? What city?

 easysauce wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
a bunch of stuff that shows you DO NOT READ what I type... seriously

Spoiler:

 easysauce wrote:


if you are too lazy to make one trip to that market 5 km away each week, but find the time to make 21 trips a week to fast food places, thats a CHOICE and its on you.

How are people supposed to get a week's worth of food transported 5km without a car? Do you know how hard it is to get 6+ grocery bags on a bus even *IF* you have a cart?

Also: Lots of people in low-income jobs either work in fast food or at a place which is connected to fast food. So it is very easy for those 21 meals a week to eat 5 of them 'lunches' at your employer or commercial center you work near. Double shifts for the working poor and weekend jobs means 14 of those 21 meals are probably at or near work. How is that 'harder' than taking a weeks worth of food on public transportation 5km?

its far more work/time/effort as well, and its far more money to go to fast food places that often. it takes just as long to wait in line as it does to cook stuff.

That assumes you have the space to prepare meals, and the tools to prepare meals in your limited living quarters.

most of your "reasons why its totally ok to eat poorly" are that it is "easier", which is not a proven point, but lets be nice, and assume you are correct that it is "easier" to eat bad food.

so what? dont make the EASY choice... make the hard CHOICE... its a CHOICE... its easier to smoke then to quit, its easier to lay on the couch then to go for a run, its easier to play video games and get fast food then to spend that time shopping and preparing healthy meals for your kids...

Maybe if these people stopped making all the "easiest" choices and actually made the "correct but slightly harder" choice it would get better,

it hardly takes the responsability away from someone making bad choices when you simply assert that "yeah, they are making bad choices, but hey, its the easy way out, so how can you blame em?


also, despite your entitled attitude, cars are 100% NOT required for shopping. there are these magical things called buses that also have the ability to locomote from place to place while carrying you and your groceries.

Spoken like someone who has never taken public transportation in their lives.

Spoiler:

If you don't live in a city, it is easily 45 minutes one-way to a grocery store because bus routs are not A to B, Sometimes you have to go via C,D,E to get to B with a bus only by every 20-30 minutes. And many buses are at capacity and you can't actually carry your cart of groceries on because they don't allow it, especially during peak times, so one now has to take off work to go shopping in your narrative. Most times when you have rapid transportation or empty buses, one would be at work.
[spoiler]
Telling poor people they should 'bootstrap' themselves up because they should do things which are 'hard' don't realize how hard things actually are. Unreasonably so... And just because it can be done, doesn't necessarily mean it is 'ok' for the poor to be pointlessly burdened for no reason.

I work at a soup kitchen with liberal guilt snobby rich people who get so angry when they feel someone 'doesn't deserve' the food we serve... like they are cheating 'the system'. "That person is not really homeless..." or "How dare they take two helpings to take one home with them." If I had my way, I would have more places where families and children could get healthy prepared meals more accessible for them because they are not beating a system, they are trying to avoid being crushed by it. Society is better off giving free food to children than trying to deal with the costs of malnutrition and poor education due to lack of food later. Same can be said for adults who could use those 6-8 hours a week toiling like the good and deserving of hardship poor that they are going to the store to prepare 'healthy meals' for other actions... like taking care of kids, community education programs or simply getting some rest so they can work a double shift. Sadly, 'fast food' is infinitly easier than the fictional narrative of cooking at home which people want to present, and it isn't because they are lazy. Next time you work 16 hour days for 14 days straight... let me know how that trip to the market on the bus works out for you, you lazy slob.

So 'It can be done without a car' rings hollow and out of touch to me. People have hard lives already, it is not laziness which drives them... it is survival and a system stacked against them.

spoken like someone who just amkes stuff up, and doesnt read my posts before stating "do you even public transit bro?!?!"

I have spent the better part of my life, carless, and in poverty.

I have LIVED the experiance I am telling people is doable, and having entitled people like yourself, turn around and tell me I have no experience, living the lifestyle I have practised and am preaching about.

real smart

me : I took the bus, lived in poverty, and found eating healthy to be cheaper and faster then eating at fast food places

you: WTF HAVE YOU NEVER TAKEN THE BUS OR LIVED IN POVERTY!! OMG you are so stupid and wrong.

I would like to point out that the geographical focus of this thread is the United States. Your experiences in poverty could be very different from someone in the U.S.

 Random Dude wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:
D-usa you warm my heart and make me think the US is a good country...sadly everyone else kills that.

Seriously everyone , next time you see a homeless person give them some cash and talk to them, they need human contact, and most of them are beautiful people who NEED a conversation. It doesn't cost us much, but makes such a difference to them.
* I've been doing this for 10 years
it's interesting finding out the inequalities they face. Like in Austalia, the cost of a room, even whilst on benefits means they cannot eat.

Giving them cash is the worst way to help them. Where I live you can set them up with an agency specifically designed to get homeless people off the streets and give them job training. Also, many churches give free housing to the homeless.

I saw a guy at the corner with a sign that said "Life is gak. I'm not going to lie: I need money to get drunk". I gave him some cash for being honest .

I am really pretty okay with people who may be doing crappy things when they are being honest with me about it. When I would triage people in the ER we would start sending people that showed up for routine things (like prescription refills or chronic issues like "my hand has been hurting for 4 months" to the primary care teams. They would show up at 6 am with these problems to try and get seem pretty quick, but it's easy to get backed up with visits like that so we would send them to the primary care team where they would probably end up waiting for at least a couple of hours. I had a guy come in at 4am with a "rash on my leg that I have had for a couple of weeks". When I asked him what made him decide that it was an emergency at 4 am this morning he told me "I knew that if I came in later you guys would send me to my primary and I would end up being here all day, I didn't want to wait up there that long." I looked at him, told him "thanks for being honest" and took him back to be seen by a doctor right away .

But back to the point: I used to live right across the street from a Subway in an area with lots of homeless people. They would come up when I was working in the yard asking for some money for food. I would usually end up taking them to the Subway and let them buy a foot-long there (take half for later). I always give money to anybody that is offering to do something. We used to have one of those window-washer guys that would clean your windshield for you. Actually did an awesome job. Had clean water and all the supplies, got your window really clean, and even applied RainX when he was done. I used to run into him all the time when I worked the ambulance, always gave him cash for his work.

so what is the point?

that because 30% ish percent of people live in poverty, that we shouldnt blame the 70% of the general population for their own "easy choice" lifstyle making them fat?

we blame smokers for smoking just fine, no need to blame conveiniance stores being everywhere.

if you have poor eating habits, you have poor eating habits, its no ones fault but your own.

its not about the USA geographics, otherwise canada, and austrailia wouldnt ALSO be super fat...


Its not about lack of a car either, look at the demographics pre cars, you definatly did not have 70% of the population as obese, if anything cars just make the proiblem worse because now no one walks anywhere.


the ONLY thing that has changed since then is people eating habits, and while you certainly CAN make the arguement that addictive fast food, marketing and such influence us to eat fast food now, its still a personal choice what you cram into your food hole.

end of story, no one forces you to eat garbage food, asserting that its anyones fault but the individuals is just an asinine effort to hand waive away, yet again, peoples own responsability for their own lives.

I mean...taking the bus and not being able to afford a car is pretty rough for sure, but having a roof over your head is pretty important to be able to establish a good foundation for...well living life and getting on your feet.

Did you sleep on park bench and try to sneak into fitness centers to shower while you were taking the bus and eating healthy?

 d-usa wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:

I like this statement, I give about $10 a week to random homeless people and most people are gak to them. the only reason I started giving is I had a friend who was homeless when he was 16. There is no qualifier for homelessness, we are all potentially 6 weeks away from it.

Most people don't have the savings and are just a few lost paychecks away from poverty. That is one lesson the global recession should have taught us and we should be more compassionate because of it.

The rate of welfare went up a lot during that time. Not because we have a "welfare president", but because a lot of people that never thought that they would need it actually found themselves needing it.

I consider myself blessed to have what I have. I could have a lot more, but I realize that I could have a hell of a lot less.

And here is the thing... Who cares if they are homeless? Lots of people seem to want to ration 'compassion'.

One of the sad truths about soup kitchens is they are *SO* regulated due to safety laws that they can't accept a lot of the food which is donated and can't 'keep' the leftovers. If it doesn't get eaten, it goes in the trash.

I know a lot of the people who eat at this particular food kitchen are day laborers. Their kids meet mom and dad after school here, they eat a good meal and go home. Not homeless, but below the poverty line. This solves the issue for them. Saves money, time, and eat better food. But so many people are hell-bent to deny them this food because they have set arbitrary levels. Sadly a lot of the actual homeless can't even get to the places where there is food and all of this food would be in the garbage if it was not eaten. So why not allow anyone regardless of technical status to eat there? Who cares? They are not beating the system and take a crapton of scorn from society for feeding their families. But apparently if they denied the charity and ate fast food, they are lazy. Anything other than total self-bootstrapping makes you lazy or a mooch. And you are also too stupid if you can't figure out how to do it the way all of us who never had problems did.

Feeding people and taking the stigma away from food stamps, food kitchens and food programs is one of the best uses of our tax dollars with the greatest rewards in regards to helping lives and breaking out of poverty, and is something people seem to fight so hard against either by rationing 'charity' and wasting resources or admonishing the poor as stupid and lazy because they should know better and bootstrap themselves up.

I would feed all kids 2 meals a day at public schools, and make dinner kitchen community programs. It really is minimal cost due to the economy of scale and the conservation of time and resources and is already in place for a lot of areas and pays huge dividends on both the social and economic sides. We also have a program here which is free lunch all summers for anyone who wants.

Telling people to 'eat healthy, deny you health coverage because your poor choices' are feeding right in to the hands of the corporations who profit off the food and medical of these people because righteous scorn does nothing to help anyone and helps keep the system of poverty in place.

You are a good human d-usa.
Homless people are just people who missed a step of life (quite often the same steps we tread on ) they don't deserve victimisation, they deserve care, that's why I could never live in the US , I'd get too depressed.

 easysauce wrote:
so what is the point?

that because 30% ish percent of people live in poverty, that we shouldnt blame the 70% of the general population for their own "easy choice" lifstyle making them fat?

Nobody is saying that all fat people are fat because of things out of their own control.

We were talking about one specific population with specific problems that, despite your own personal experiences and sample size of 1 person, face additional difficulties in obtaining healthier food options.

we blame smokers for smoking just fine, no need to blame conveiniance stores being everywhere.

But we, at least public health folks and policy makers as well as other concerned citizens, do not only blame smokers. We blame social influences, marketing by tobacco companies, access to minors, illegal trade to make it cheaper (and easier to purchase). If convenience stores everywhere are selling cigarettes to minors they would get blamed as well.

if you have poor eating habits, you have poor eating habits, its no ones fault but your own.

If you have poor reading comprehension, you have poor reading comprehension, it's no one's fault but your own.

nkelsch wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

And here is the thing... Who cares if they are homeless? Lots of people seem to want to ration 'compassion'.

One of the sad truths about soup kitchens is they are *SO* regulated due to safety laws that they can't accept a lot of the food which is donated and can't 'keep' the leftovers. If it doesn't get eaten, it goes in the trash.

I know a lot of the people who eat at this particular food kitchen are day laborers. Their kids meet mom and dad after school here, they eat a good meal and go home. Not homeless, but below the poverty line. This solves the issue for them. Saves money, time, and eat better food. But so many people are hell-bent to deny them this food because they have set arbitrary levels. Sadly a lot of the actual homeless can't even get to the places where there is food and all of this food would be in the garbage if it was not eaten. So why not allow anyone regardless of technical status to eat there? Who cares? They are not beating the system and take a crapton of scorn from society for feeding their families. But apparently if they denied the charity and ate fast food, they are lazy. Anything other than total self-bootstrapping makes you lazy or a mooch. And you are also too stupid if you can't figure out how to do it the way all of us who never had problems did.

Feeding people and taking the stigma away from food stamps, food kitchens and food programs is one of the best uses of our tax dollars with the greatest rewards in regards to helping lives and breaking out of poverty, and is something people seem to fight so hard against either by rationing 'charity' and wasting resources or admonishing the poor as stupid and lazy because they should know better and bootstrap themselves up.

I would feed all kids 2 meals a day at public schools, and make dinner kitchen community programs. It really is minimal cost due to the economy of scale and the conservation of time and resources and is already in place for a lot of areas and pays huge dividends on both the social and economic sides. We also have a program here which is free lunch all summers for anyone who wants.

Telling people to 'eat healthy, deny you health coverage because your poor choices' are feeding right in to the hands of the corporations who profit off the food and medical of these people because righteous scorn does nothing to help anyone and helps keep the system of poverty in place.

that happens here too nkelsch even though we have social security, it's sad.

The last time I almost got into a fight (for the first time in 20 years) was because someone told a begger to "feth off" instead of saying, sorry I don't have anything spare.

When it comes to food costs I look at the prices for junk food and am amazed at how low the pricing is compared to grocery store prices. For instance I can go to Mc Donalds or Wendy's and buy a good number of items for $1, which if you are broke can function as a meal. $1 cheeseburger or chicken nuggets, not very healthy but it keeps you from being hungry.

Not much I can get at the grocery store for $1 at least not what would be considered a meal. I can get a cheapo $1 frozen pizza or a cup of dried ramen noodles but that's in the same processed junk food category. For healthy choices you could buy a potato or some raw white rice, which can fill you up (maybe) but anything with any taste is going to run more than $1 which is where the cheap junk food wins out with a lot of people, particularly when they don't need to spend the time cooking.

You can cook at home cheaply provide you do planning and assume that you already have ingredients to spice things up, but you can't assume those are free either as you do have to purchase them at some point. But in many cases the cheap junk food is cheaper and more filling than healthy foods, nutritional levels are terrible in junk food but when your stomach is truly empty you don't care and you want the most volume for that dollar which junk food provides.

 Bullockist wrote:
You are a good human d-usa.
Homless people are just people who missed a step of life (quite often the same steps we tread on ) they don't deserve victimisation, they deserve care, that's why I could never live in the US , I'd get too depressed.

I've just been exposed to quite a lot of them and spoken to a lot of them. Part of it comes from where I used to live, part of it comes from my various jobs. Are there donkey-cave homeless people who are homeless because they are donkey-caves? Sure. But many of them are friendly enough, and people might be surprised that they knew people that are actually homeless even though they would never suspect it. They sleep in shelters and show up to work with clothes they got donated to them to look "presentable".

We had a homeless guy that we would run into quite often that was literally caked in his own gak from head to toe. He would rub it into his clothes, his skin, his hair, his beard. Many people just figured he was flying rodent gak crazy. But if you talked to him you would find that he was just a tiny bit on the low end of "normal", but he used to be messed with by a lot by other homeless and the cops. At one point he learned that covering himself in gak protected him: the cops didn't want to handcuff the guy covered in gak and they didn't want their cars smelling like gak. Other homeless people didn't want to dog pile on the guy covered in gak just to take his shoes. When he came into the facility for treatment he would clean up really nice, but once he was out for a couple of days he was covered in gak again. Not because he was crazy, but because it was his defense mechanism.

I've recently been planning for my own cooking, and it has involved a lot of frozen and tinned foods.

The price per meal is pretty low this way.

I can't really do the fresh route due to complications and my own laziness.

 d-usa wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
so what is the point?

that because 30% ish percent of people live in poverty, that we shouldnt blame the 70% of the general population for their own "easy choice" lifstyle making them fat?

Nobody is saying that all fat people are fat because of things out of their own control.except that is the exact argument people are making, that large portions of fat people cannot help being fat

we blame smokers for smoking just fine, no need to blame conveiniance stores being everywhere.

But we, at least public health folks and policy makers as well as other concerned citizens, do not only blame smokers. We blame social influences, marketing by tobacco companies, access to minors, illegal trade to make it cheaper (and easier to purchase).

if you have poor eating habits, you have poor eating habits, its no ones fault but your own.

If you have poor reading comprehension, you have poor reading comprehension, it's no one's fault but your ownsays the guy who cant read the part of my post where I literally admist you CAN make the social influence/marketing argument, then complains I dont even aknowledge that side of the issue.

 easysauce wrote:
if you have poor eating habits, you have poor eating habits, its no ones fault but your own.

you certainly CAN make the arguement that addictive fast food, marketing and such influence us to eat fast food now, its still a personal choice what you cram into your food hole.
.

wow, you must have really good reading comprehension to DELETE the part of my post where I address those things you talk about, its almost as if you purposely frame my arguement in that light and purposlfully cut out the parts where I address the other side of the coin.

does "reading comprehension" mean "cutting out the parts of the argument that state exactly what you claim I dont address.

great way to argue

me: Its complicated, even though A B and C happen, its still up to individuals


you: quotes "its still up to idividuals" you didnt even mention A B or C, you cannot even read, look how superior I am argueing.

It's almost like you didn't edit your post a minute or two before his was posted, probably in the time frame he had already pressed "quote" and was forming his response.

It completely makes sense, and is easier than carrying a knife. homelsessness is bad enough here ( you can still for the main part get social security) I just can't imagine a place like the US where you don't get to eat.


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 MrDwhitey wrote:
I've recently been planning for my own cooking, and it has involved a lot of frozen and tinned foods.

The price per meal is pretty low this way.

I can't really do the fresh route due to complications and my own laziness.

AM I detecting a slight amount of mary Jane as well?

 d-usa wrote:

we blame smokers for smoking just fine, no need to blame conveiniance stores being everywhere.

But we, at least public health folks and policy makers as well as other concerned citizens, do not only blame smokers. We blame social influences, marketing by tobacco companies, access to minors, illegal trade to make it cheaper (and easier to purchase). If convenience stores everywhere are selling cigarettes to minors they would get blamed as well.

To everyone who does not have a genetic pre-disposition to substances... THANK YOUR LUCKY STARS. Quitting smoking is a lot more than 'Just don't smoke, You must not be smart like me.'

If you have never first-hand witnessed the way some people have unnatural reactions to substances which shows how strong addictions can be, pray you never do. And sadly, being genetic, the very people who you need help from are also pre-disposed like you.

There is a reason many of the addictions are actual diseases and need to be treated like diseases. Doesn't help that the system is designed around promoting the addictions opposed to preventing them. What better way to keep control than to feed the addiction with one hand and then to offer a scornful 'just quit dummy' with the other.

I hate to admit it bullockist but that reference went so far over my head I'm still waiting for the sound to hit.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
It's almost like you didn't edit your post a minute or two before his was posted, probably in the time frame he had already pressed "quote" and was forming his response.

how conveinant! FYI that part didnt change in the edit, so its not an excuse, even as such it literally was up for 2 minutes before editing, not enough time to read it and reply to it before editing.

but thanks for just assuming its a conspiracy on my part,

stay classy!

I'll repeat my earlier question:

Where did you grow up, Easesauce?

Says the guy who is screaming conspiracy at d-usa.



It writes itself!

 MrDwhitey wrote:
It's almost like you didn't edit your post a minute or two before his was posted, probably in the time frame he had already pressed "quote" and was forming his response.

It was my choice to quote him before he changed what he typed. It's my own fault. Stop making excuses for me!!!

 easysauce wrote:

me : I took the bus, lived in poverty, and found eating healthy to be cheaper and faster then eating at fast food places

I have never lived in a place where public transport is an effective, or even viable option.... It's a sad "fact" that the US's mass transit systems, outside of a FEW select areas, is extremely poor to say the least.

So, while I can appreciate that you've lived this "lifestyle" and are saying it's definitely possible, it simply isn't true at a blanket statement level... Not everyone lives in an area with reliable or good public transport. Where I've lived, busses are ROUTINELY late or completely miss stops, etc. When I was in school, before I simply starting riding my bike everywhere, I hopped on a bus whose numbered "line" was supposed to take me to the city library. Instead, it took me to the complete opposite end of town, back to where I got on the bus, and finally to the bus depot where I had to pay another bus fare to "try my luck" with another bus that was labelled as going to the library.


It's also somewhat of a "norm" to see in most American towns/cities we'll say outside of a place like NYC, Chicago or LA, the public transport systems are either inadequate, or they simply don't work to the same level as many European nation's similar systems.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
I hate to admit it bullockist but that reference went so far over my head I'm still waiting for the sound to hit.

god I'm feeling old.
reference coool aussie band from the 90s- stoner rock



Maryjane = pot.

 paulson games wrote:
When it comes to food costs I look at the prices for junk food and am amazed at how low the pricing is compared to grocery store prices. For instance I can go to Mc Donalds or Wendy's and buy a good number of items for $1, which if you are broke can function as a meal. $1 cheeseburger or chicken nuggets, not very healthy but it keeps you from being hungry.

Not much I can get at the grocery store for $1 at least not what would be considered a meal. I can get a cheapo $1 frozen pizza or a cup of dried ramen noodles but that's in the same processed junk food category. For healthy choices you could buy a potato or some raw white rice, which can fill you up (maybe) but anything with any taste is going to run more than $1 which is where the cheap junk food wins out with a lot of people, particularly when they don't need to spend the time cooking.

You can cook at home cheaply provide you do planning and assume that you already have ingredients to spice things up, but you can't assume those are free either as you do have to purchase them at some point. But in many cases the cheap junk food is cheaper and more filling than healthy foods, nutritional levels are terrible in junk food but when your stomach is truly empty you don't care and you want the most volume for that dollar which junk food provides.

The McDonald's value meal McDouble or Chicken sandwich each have less than 400 calories. (380 and 360) If that is all you are getting, you're probably not getting fat let alone obese. That many calories three times a day is nothing for a guy doing any type of manual labor. It isn't healthy, but is sure isn't going to make you fat either.

Now, when I get 3-4 of them, and fries, and a bucket of soda I refill two times there starts to be an issue. And if I have enough to get all that (now we're talking 5-6 bucks, not a dollar) I could get healthier food that was halfway good tasting at the supermarket.