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Did they announce yet when the Adventurer's Companion is getting a reprint?

If it's only page reference and the like that are incorrect, how bad is it?

Wondering whether to get now, if it's only the page references that are wrong I'll probably just get it as it's not like I'm learning the rules for Infinity here.

dungeon journal is missing a few quests the adventurers companion has all the massive errors people are whining about which to be fair are really boneheaded mistakes, the plan on doing a reprint over christmas with despatch over january

And the journal's missing quests are coming out in PDF form aren't they?

Yeah, though they will be quite a while coming out.

The Adventurer's Companion has some pretty embarrassing copy and paste errors. The journal didn't have any that I noticed - I quite like it because it's got a bunch of extra missions and also includes bandits as an enemy type.

I like how sylph has salamanders flavor text.

the corrected pdf on one the updates has the right text

You can also check the wizard entry where he turns into the paliidan,

Any how, yes the reprinted AC we tidy up the page number issue and the copy/paste stuff, but still needssome work - Mantic still mix up key words "shield bash" anyone.

Expect that the AC and Journal may start to turn into a "living ruleset" for the next year or so - hopefully free download - before Mantic revisit DS with printed copies/compendiums

This and the digital adventures promised should keep this ticking over nicely for the near future

 GrimDork wrote:

Valandor really isn't giving me the same mcdonalds toy vibe other people seem to be getting. I mean, even happy meal toys come with straight weapons! Ba dum pish.
But really, Valandor, Be...demon guy... both look fine to me. Not super amazing, but not bad. I think Val will be reasonably fun to paint because he's reasonably simple but there's still some filigree on the armor I can work with, just as soon as I get him a spear shaft replacement.

I like the design of Valandor. I like the original sculpt of Valandor. I like his pose and his armor. I like the very idea of Valandor. But the model I received is pretty awful. I have Descent 1st Edition, and those minis are better casts than Valandor. It's not like I didn't know he was boardgame plastic--that's why I bought him! All the other DS plastics I received have been decent quality, in the same zone as Mars Attacks, Grind, X-Com (better even), or Myth. Valandor is noticeably inferior in quality.

I assume his condition is a result of a rushed cast. His armor filigree fades in and out of existence, like ghost worms. His right shoulder, greave, knee, vambrace and abs have almost no detail, like the details took Doc Brown's Delorean back in time and c-blocked their dads. His popped collar has a stud on one side and not on the other. The side of his face in the crook has careworn lines and a subtle expression, along with an uncanny resemblance to David Warner. The other side of his face looks like someone CGI 'youthed' Vaughn Armstrong into his uncanny valley teens. His spear has uncurled a bit into a wiggly wushu polearm from the hers-and-hers toy it came as. His spear of longinus' blade has a wing-shaped crossguard on one side and a horseshoe of the other. Sure, that might make him average quality for boardgame miniatures in general if you include games like Monopoly and Risk, but for a wargame company's kickstarter he is a poor mini.

It's not quite to refund territory because $8 isn't worth the time it would take for me to stalk down Rich Armstrong, bind him in ropes of communication, and beguile an email response from him, let alone the hassle of shipping it back in December, but it sure is enough to make me go to the internet and complain!

Finally got my box today.. wow, tons of stuff!

It looks like I ended up with 2 return of valandor sets. It was included in my big box today, but they also sent me that separately like a month ago. Guess I got some extra minis

Are they the same quality, or is there a difference between the sets?

Far as I can tell the minis are the same... i just got extras


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oh and also 2x board tiles too, so I can build bigger dungeons


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also really digging the big book looking box. Think I'll keep all the minis in 1 and all the books and boards in the other. Is that how it's gonna be for the retail version too? Or was it a special KS thing?

 Orlanth wrote:

So reasonably familiar you wont actually post anything on it. Just declare me wrong by right of wave of hand.

I'll go with wrong, then. I certainly don't need to rewrite everything I know on a given topic to anyone, and particularly you.

 Azazelx wrote:

Keeping positive is its own reward, this project is hardly a turkey, or a bad deal. Beyond a very bad personal experience wih the delivery, which can happen, I cant see mush to complain about frankly

We know how well Mantic's offerings of premium quality exclusive resin miniatures worked out in their following campaign, don't we? Still, I digress since we have yet another case of you either misunderstanding what I'm complaining about, or being wilfully ignorant.

Those who react with anger for others failing to match their jaded viewpoint on a very well received product have no position to call others ignorant.

Pointless fluff answer. You apparently can't see much to complain about despite all of the issues that have been raised, or more to the point are willing to forgive them anything. DKS has a number of major issues. You have no response, so instead write a pithy reply. Poor attempt at redirection there.

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 Azazelx wrote:

......Once again you attempt to focus on the miniatures, and not what I actually care about much more and am complaining about. See, I have plenty of miniatures already - though more nice miniatures are always nice, they're not the focus for me in this game.

.......but I'll grant that you appear to be labouring under the misunderstanding that my posts are an endless series of complaints about the model quality. Either that or you're attempting to stawman everything I say, but at this point I'll consider it an honest mistake/misunderstanding.

It was how we started this disagreement
Well I can only go by what I read from you as to what you are saying:

 Azazelx wrote:

At this point I only have the extras, and they are a pretty big disappointment so far. Including the minis, as I have a good number of them either mangled or broken, and more than half at minimum are warped. Nice sculpts on poor quality figures, and that's with the "boardgame figures, not miniatures" caveat. Or perhaps they would be decent but corners were clearly cut/QA was poor. Also not counting my missing stuff, because that's par for the course with Mantic.

If Azazelx is un unreliable source for information as to the opinions of Azazelx then what is?

Reading comprehension FTW, I see. I'll just highlight my issues for those who are challenged.

If they weren't broken and warped, I'd have no real problem with them. You can blame the evil Chinese for that, and I'm sure you will - but the fact is that it falls on Mantic and their lack of QA/QC. When CMoN has been doing this for about the same amount of time, and no longer have these recurrent issues while Mantic does, it's on Mantic, since in the end they are the company asking for money for this product. They're also the ones who are going to suffer in the wider marketplace as a result of their lack of QC. Not you and not I.

At this point, I'm letting you know that I'll no longer be responding to your posts here. You have made it more than clear that you're the ideal consumer, and are willing to take whatever is given with a grateful smile regardless of what has been promised for your money or your time - But hey, maybe you're filthy rich and just don't give a feth or value those things? You of course have the right to hold such low standards as that's your prerogative. On the other hand, given all of this and the fact that you choose not to reply to actual points, and instead side-step them, I don't think arguing with or talking to you is a worthwhile use of my time. Feel free to post and have the last word or whatever. I don't care. Have a good one!

Considering the sheer amount of mispacks people are getting, I can't help but wonder who packed this stuff? I thought it was done at the factory in China.

Almost as bad if not worse than what Mantic themselves would've done at HQ like with Deadzone, Kings of War, Dreadball... it's like they just can't catch a break and get it done correctly.

Or were all the game boxes packed in the UK as well?

I just don't get how the consistently seem to get things so badly mispacked.

Guess I'll be looking forward to seeing what exactly shows up in my box tomorrow afternoon...

I imagine bags were packed in China, boxes were packed in the UK.

All carton As and Bs were pre-packed in China because they had (supposedly) set contents.

Only the add-ons (because they were (potentially) different for every single person) were done in the UK.

Got my Carton B on Tuesday.
The only error in the entire box I found is one of my trolls is missing a weapon hand.
That's pretty good, imo.
Loving the Book/Boxes. Mantic needs to offer an empty one. I can't fit everything into the 2 boxes.
Currently everything went back into the big box it all came in for transport to next game night.

I don't understand the complaints about Valendor.
He's a decent model, and the spear straightened right out when i hot water dipped him.
The detail is about as expected when compared to any boardgame mini, or even a PVC mini from Warmachine.
His aesthetics fit with the Basilean models from what I've seen of them on Mantic's site.
As for detail fading in and out, the Space Hulk Terminators have the same issues. Never heard a bad word about those.

My carton B came Monday and - unless one of the card or tile packs is mispacked in the shrinkwrap - I seem to have everything. Some minis came off their bases, one Abyssal firethrower came apart, and lots of minis need straightening and recentering on their bases.

All in all, I'm pretty happy. I'm going to have to do a lot of work cleaning up both minis and rules, but I expected both. I wanted to run this game as a GM (as opposed to an Overlord) like Warhammer Quest all along, so I knew I'd have to fudge together a different way of playing.

But...that still doesn't excuse what feels like a first draft ruleset. As I posted in the News and Rumor thread, I feel like Jake's final submissions constitute a great first draft for games design, but need more work to be a polished, finished game. The core game rules are solid, but Jake lacks clarity when explaining rules in writing. Also, the adventures are good, but emphasize a balanced, competitive game over creativity. Too many Overlord victories are, "Cripple one of the heroes or keep them from winning until you run out of cards." The Blaine, Keldin, and Hordrin quests in the Dungeon Journal serve as good contrast.

But the Adventurer's Companion (the final, corrected PDF version, even) shows Jake's lack of interest in writing anything more than a Heroquest clone. You can actually watch his level of investment drop as you progress through the book. The uncharted dungeons, invisible overlord, and dungeon design sections (especially the latter) feel more like he turned in his notes and outlines rather than a final copy. I really wish this game had gone through a rules committee after leaving Jake's hands.

That said, I'm going to get this stuff painted up and play a house-ruled Advanced Dungeon Saga with my friends. If I have time, I'd like to produce a few fan expansions and plop them on the interwebs somewhere. The first I'm considering is a Dungeon Economy add-on to allow players the feeling of amassing hordes of wealth. Something simple, like, "Due to the mystical properties of gold in Mantica, gold coinage is incredibly rare. The printed costs in Gold remain the same [for simplicity's sake] but actually do refer to one bar of gold. (Gold being too precious in the manufacture of magic items or as a consumable in high-level magic rituals to waste on mere coins.) However, most heroes' wealth is in the silver and copper coinage of the realms. 1 Gold is the equivalent of 100 silver coins, with 1 silver coin being equal to 100 copper coins. This means that 1 Gold is equal to 10,000 copper coins - the most common denomination of money in Mantica." Then add in some new treasure item cards that have sacks or coffers of the smaller coinage, and some interesting items whose only purpose is to serve as vendor trash to be sold at market. This economy system will also allow for item cards that are mundane adventuring gear or weapons with small in-game bonuses and values in silver or copper.

tl;dr - I feel like Jake's final submissions are more like solid first drafts, but I have plans to build my own Dungeon Saga anyway. There's a solid enough core for me to work with, here.

I went over all of the contents last night and as far as I can tell I have everything. I haven't opened up the decks of cards but they're all shrinkwrapped so I'm gonna assume those are there. I like the extra furniture and stuff too, those will be nice for scenery bits for other games.

I had a few bent arms or swords, and a few minis popped off their bases, but nothing catastrophic. I'm still thinking about taking off the square bases and going with round ones anyway. The minis feel a little small to me though, I guess I was expecting them to be a little bulkier. Well, the dragon is definitely bulky. But the other guys feel a little small.

I'm a little worried about painting them though.. the details are kind of soft on some sculpts and I'm worried the primer might wash them out more. I could probably skip primer on some, but the heroes are all dark blue.. not a good base for painting light colors.

I found them to be okay with a prime-base-highlight-wash sort of paint technique. Some had little definition, but the wash at the end tends to sort that out. The worst for me were the Zombies.

I think I'll try and lightly prime the dark blue guys with army painter bone color, it's usually a little thinner and covers better than my cheapy white hardware store primer. The other lighter colored models like the skeletons I'll just paint without the primer since those seem thinner and I don't want to lose detail. then I can just spray em with matte varnish at the end.

Kinda on the fence though .. I have literally thousands of 30mm warmachine round lip style bases thanks to making my own minis... would it be dumb to use them for DS minis? I was sizing stuff up last night, they're only slightly bigger than a board square, but I think it could get messy if there's hordes of baddies all bunched together. I haven't played or even had a chance to skim the rules yet.. does that happen often? I just like the look of the rounded bases better, and I plan to use them for skirmish games too, so I thought the round bases would be more fun for that.. but I don't want them to cumbersome to use when I play Dungeon Saga. I could use GW style 25mm bases, but I'd rather use the ones I already own

I totally am planning on repopulating the entire game with Privateer figures.

We'll see how that goes.

Worst case I'll just swap out the heroes.

I've gone through the collection and picked out 1 of every pose, gonna paint them all up. 49 minis in all. I just finished doing the hot water thing to fix the bent weapons, was pretty easy. Kinda fun dunking it in water and seeing it just straighten itself out all on its own. The worst was the Valandor spear, that was almost a 90 degree angle, but nothing hot water couldn't fix.

Did anyone order the resin heroes? Do they look any better than the PVC ones?

Still torn on the bases since I'm mostly going to be using these for skirmish games, but I guess I'll keep the squares. The dungeon floor tiles look kinda cool especially when you rank em all up. I wouldn't mind buying sprues of em or KOW armies if they ever wanted to sell em separately.

To be honest, the resin heroes, though they can be a bit fiddly to glue together are some of the nicest looking fantasy hero models I've seen.

I'm sure I'll get shouted down for this, but honestly, they're Forge World level.

Yeah the one resin elf guy I got looks really great, lots of fine detail.

I'm kinda surprised with the plastic minis. I sat down for a day full of shaving and filing off mold lines but there really aren't many at all. Priming all the dark blue heroes now

So far the details are looking pretty solid to me, though I have been working on a lot of Bones minis lately, so most things are better in comparison. I'm hoping the hot water bending is simple, one of my scytheltons is trying to do a somersault.

Hot water was fine for me. I just stuck a mug of water in the microwave for 3 minutes, then dunked the bent part in and it most cases it straightened out all by itself.

Yeah that's what i'm hoping for, the straightened out by itself bit. I guess we'll see

So, did I just get an exceptionally bad Valandor, then? Everyone else seems happy with theirs, and most posters here think Bones is a medium to be scraped off their shoes.

My valendor's spear was pretty bad, the rest of the model was ok. The spear tip part starting at the left hand was bent to almost a right angle, between the hands was a little bent, and the back end of the spear was bent at the right hand. Just dunked it in the hot water and bent everything back into place and it was fine

I had to dunk Valandor twice to fix his spear.

And yeah, I think Valandor sucks as a cast. The detail is too shallow and it makes painting his armour a pain in the arse.

I was never that enthusiastic about him anyway though, so I'm not too bothered. All the stuff I actually like came out pretty nice.