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You can't blame people for being upset when over a third of their army is taken away with this codex release. Half my Grey knight army are inquisitoral war bands. I also have mordrak and his ghost knights I spent a lot of time on and now they're essentially pointless. I think we have a right to be upset when our current Grey knight army is cut in half because of the new codex.

But complaining about Grey knights being nerfed is extremely premature right now. We have no idea if those point values are accurate, what special rules the army is going to have or even if the weapon profiles are the same.

I'm excited about this book but still wary as to what is about to happen. Bummed all of my assasssins and ghost knights are just going to collect dust for the foreseeable fututre.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
All you rage-quitters. Can I have your stuff?

You're about a month late for that, my Grey Knights are already sold.

Want some Dark Eldar or Dark Elves instead?

LoL. As expensive in points as they are, I'm good with GKs but if you have the DEldar when they get updated, hit me up.

Run ghost knights as Paladins. Done. They just have cool background now.

thraxdown wrote:
You can't blame people for being upset when over a third of their army is taken away with this codex release. Half my Grey knight army are inquisitoral war bands. I also have mordrak and his ghost knights I spent a lot of time on and now they're essentially pointless. I think we have a right to be upset when our current Grey knight army is cut in half because of the new codex.

But complaining about Grey knights being nerfed is extremely premature right now. We have no idea if those point values are accurate, what special rules the army is going to have or even if the weapon profiles are the same.

I'm excited about this book but still wary as to what is about to happen. Bummed all of my assasssins and ghost knights are just going to collect dust for the foreseeable fututre.

Reasonable. I have chimera and other Inq toys that will likely get traded or see shelf time if this is all true but I'm willing to wait and see before "hitting the mattresses".

 Azreal13 wrote:
Firstly, this is based on info that isn't supposed to be accessible, the odds are excellent that it isn't complete or isn't displaying correctly.

Secondly, you only have half the equation. There could be any number of army wide special rules that make this an extremely playable book.

Yeah but think about it being true. If true, this would be the biggest Jervisification of a Codex since 3.5 Chaos to 4th 'Chaos'.

 jlong05 wrote:

Danarc wrote:
this is terrific.
pagk increase point, as purifiers as dread.
the same dread GK and SM have 25 point difference.

only one word:

WHY???

Right now you have no rules to base GK dread and SM dread as the same for diff costs. The rules for the GK model may be different Nd warrant the 25 points. Until it releases though we can only speculate and hope.

I know. but i think that this is only a hope.
which rule can made better a dread for 25 point?
psybolt? 5
psionic? 5
hatred (demon)?
some new?

I don't know, but i have few hope.

ill be worried if it turns out to be just a reissue, copy paste into their own Minidex. If it is a full blow new Codex I will probably be ok.

 agnosto wrote:
All you rage-quitters. Can I have your stuff? I'm at least willing to see the final product before I jump off of the deep end.

Seconded

Danarc wrote:
which rule can made better a dread for 25 point? .

Psychic levels are generally 25 points to bump a level. So psychic pilot on a dread would fit.

Yea, I'll gladly sell anyone my Grey Knights army, but you have to first offer, cash in hand, equal value to the time and effort I've put into it. It's the reason I didn't sell it.

There's no "five stages." I've called BS on the GW releases since December to Remember and, so far, I've been spot on with them either being bad or painfully vanilla. This all seems well within line of GW, which as I stated before, is either a very smart and very time consuming fake (bravo) or it's GW continuing to murder their game.

If you would laugh without any empathy to folks having their favorite armies becoming unplayable, then I suggest you re-evaluate your "brotherly love". No other game makes you go through these ball busting codex updates that make you go "well, am I boned or am I winner!" just based on how you build your army.

Look at it this way, everything that is being removed or changed, such as dreadknights losing their weapons down to "aesthetic choices" falls in line with the current FAQ. It could be bad editing on GW's part or foresight into the books update. Which again, most metas only allow 2 sources, so my army of Draigo + Vindicare + Inquisition is no good anymore.

Not saying I play the game anymore, but it's frustrating to know that one army I cared about lastly is now being thrown down the tubes.

Wait, I just realised, that page has no HTH weapon options for the Dreadknight. Does that mean the Nemesis DOOOOOOOOOMFIST is no more?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait, I just realised, that page has no HTH weapon options for the Dreadknight. Does that mean the Nemesis DOOOOOOOOOMFIST is no more?

I noticed that too. No great sword or hammer? Kind of lends credence to this being an unfinished product....or elaborate GW troll... **tinfoil hat**

To be fair, dreadknight weapon options were wonky. The sword was nice, but there is argument about whether the Doomfist double str counts during its use. And the Hammer option was almost useless as it was barely different from a Doomfist

 agnosto wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait, I just realised, that page has no HTH weapon options for the Dreadknight. Does that mean the Nemesis DOOOOOOOOOMFIST is no more?

I noticed that too. No great sword or hammer? Kind of lends credence to this being an unfinished product....or elaborate GW troll... **tinfoil hat**

Or, just streamlining to just having two punching fists? It dropped in points, at least the PT did, so maybe that's where it makes it up? It could entirely be a troll, too. But hats off to the troll because that took dedication.

To those rejoycing that the Inquisition is out of the Grey Knight Codex, may I gently remind you that back in the day the GKs were just a single unit of terminators you could ally with IG or Marines.

(Of course before that they had an army list where they were just standard marines, and acutally grey, but only I would remember that!)

It was the GKs who gradually pushed the Inquisition out of their own darn codex, first taking half the book, then the cover, and now the whole enchilada!

In a better world there's be a codex Inquisition with all kinds of freaky stuff and GKs, Death Watch and Sisters each getting a unit or two...

It would be a massively cool book, though.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
All you rage-quitters. Can I have your stuff? I'm at least willing to see the final product before I jump off of the deep end.

Seconded

Thirded, always need more Grey Knights as my force is a bit....tiny

 TheKbob wrote:
Yea, I'll gladly sell anyone my Grey Knights army, but you have to first offer, cash in hand, equal value to the time and effort I've put into it. It's the reason I didn't sell it.

There's no "five stages." I've called BS on the GW releases since December to Remember and, so far, I've been spot on with them either being bad or painfully vanilla. This all seems well within line of GW, which as I stated before, is either a very smart and very time consuming fake (bravo) or it's GW continuing to murder their game.

If you would laugh without any empathy to folks having their favorite armies becoming unplayable, then I suggest you re-evaluate your "brotherly love". No other game makes you go through these ball busting codex updates that make you go "well, am I boned or am I winner!" just based on how you build your army.

Look at it this way, everything that is being removed or changed, such as dreadknights losing their weapons down to "aesthetic choices" falls in line with the current FAQ. It could be bad editing on GW's part or foresight into the books update. Which again, most metas only allow 2 sources, so my army of Draigo + Vindicare + Inquisition is no good anymore.

Not saying I play the game anymore, but it's frustrating to know that one army I cared about lastly is now being thrown down the tubes.

Ill give you $5, unless you can see the future in which all the bullgak you said is remotely true, then I'll give you what the army is worth.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
To be fair, dreadknight weapon options were wonky. The sword was nice, but there is argument about whether the Doomfist double str counts during its use. And the Hammer option was almost useless as it was barely different from a Doomfist

The hammer is worse than useless as it being a specialist weapon you lose an attack with it.

Wow, looking at everything that's been revealed so far, I'm very disappointed. Disappointed beyond belief. If this is true, my GKs will see a lot of shelf life.

Update on BOLS

Long story short, the summary included in the Space Wolves codex is a MISTAKE and is NOT WHAT THE GREY KNIGHT CODEX WILL INCLUDE. It appears to be a terrible cut and paste error from a very early version of the upcoming book and not in any way indicative of that you should look for in the future from the Grey Knights. In short it was a compete mistake.

On a related note, this entire event is part of a larger issue that included a large amount of typos throughout the Space Wolves codex. I would not be surprised to see an updated digital version / FAQ getting cleaned up in short order. Even by GW standards, there has been a big failure on the proofreading side of things with this release.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/08/grey-knights-plot-thickens.html

Does the unpaid intern responsible for editing Codices literally wait until the night before it's due?

The night after it's due, apparently.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Update on BOLS

Long story short, the summary included in the Space Wolves codex is a MISTAKE and is NOT WHAT THE GREY KNIGHT CODEX WILL INCLUDE. It appears to be a terrible cut and paste error from a very early version of the upcoming book and not in any way indicative of that you should look for in the future from the Grey Knights. In short it was a compete mistake.

On a related note, this entire event is part of a larger issue that included a large amount of typos throughout the Space Wolves codex. I would not be surprised to see an updated digital version / FAQ getting cleaned up in short order. Even by GW standards, there has been a big failure on the proofreading side of things with this release.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/08/grey-knights-plot-thickens.html

Ooooh, turns out most of us were jumping the gun. Huh.

I'm surprised!

I'm going to try and remain optimistic, given the last two armies of mine (GK and BA) are both set for an update over the next few months, we'll see.

As a GK (Not Inquisiton) player, I didn't mind most of the changes that showed up. Kind of sad that they aren't true.

I think that this thread only have served to prove that the average age of the posters on Dakka is below 13.

Temper tantrums based on a clearly non-final product, which mised several important rules, that's a new low.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I think that this thread only have served to prove that the average age of the posters on Dakka is below 13.

Temper tantrum based on a clearly non-final product, which mised severalmportant rules, that's a new low.

You must be new here...

 streetsamurai wrote:
I think that this thread only have served to prove that the average age of the posters on Dakka is below 13.

Temper tantrums based on a clearly non-final product, which mised several important rules, that's a new low.

About normal around here

 streetsamurai wrote:
I think that this thread only have served to prove that the average age of the posters on Dakka is below 13.

Temper tantrums based on a clearly non-final product, which mised several important rules, that's a new low.

Uh you don't remember the Tyranid codex release before it was released?