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I’m thinking that this codex may make more sense than were giving it credit for. Many people have noted that GK defensively at least are the same as regular SM who pay more for having the storm bolter and force weapon. Previously with expensive weapon upgrades you had to pay for those 2 offensive weapons along with the weapon upgrade (even though you lose the use of the storm bolter and force sword). Lowering the cost of the upgrades I think does a good job of making the army more competitive in a shooting heavy edition, but at the same time not changing the fluff that the GK are a elite army.

SpyderG6 wrote:
Lowering the cost of the upgrades I think does a good job of making the army more competitive in a shooting heavy edition, but at the same time not changing the fluff that the GK are a elite army.

Sorry to nitpick but this part of your statement may or may not be accurate, depending upon what, if anything, has happened to psybolt ammo. Additionally, since the majority of GK shooting is 24" and lacking in low AP, they're still very much hampered in a shooty ruleset.

I just realized something: Since the new standard for the 7e codices is to so a picture of the actual model for the unit described instead of artwork, what is the GK codex gonna show for Grand Masters since they don't have a model?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I just realized something: Since the new standard for the 7e codices is to so a picture of the actual model for the unit described instead of artwork, what is the GK codex gonna show for Grand Masters since they don't have a model?

Probably the Brother Captain, as Grand Master is an upgrade for them now if the army builder is to be believed

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I just realized something: Since the new standard for the 7e codices is to so a picture of the actual model for the unit described instead of artwork, what is the GK codex gonna show for Grand Masters since they don't have a model?

The SW codex had a conversion for both the Wolf Priest and Wolf Lord, since there is no dedicated model for either of them.

 agnosto wrote:

SpyderG6 wrote:
Lowering the cost of the upgrades I think does a good job of making the army more competitive in a shooting heavy edition, but at the same time not changing the fluff that the GK are a elite army.

Sorry to nitpick but this part of your statement may or may not be accurate, depending upon what, if anything, has happened to psybolt ammo. Additionally, since the majority of GK shooting is 24" and lacking in low AP, they're still very much hampered in a shooty ruleset.

Not a nitpick at all, its a good catch. Im hoping that its accounted for in a special rule for the army or something that doesnt show up in an army builder.

Two Thirds the content and only 50% more! What great value!


Mexican Ork shows price, $50. You get less units to work with and at a higher price. Very definition or reduced value. So amazing.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I just realized something: Since the new standard for the 7e codices is to so a picture of the actual model for the unit described instead of artwork, what is the GK codex gonna show for Grand Masters since they don't have a model?

The SW codex had a conversion for both the Wolf Priest and Wolf Lord, since there is no dedicated model for either of them.

I'm hoping the GK books has conversions instead of the old resin Brother-Captain model.

I converted mine from a stern model

From Grot Orderly:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I just realized something: Since the new standard for the 7e codices is to so a picture of the actual model for the unit described instead of artwork, what is the GK codex gonna show for Grand Masters since they don't have a model?

The SW codex had a conversion for both the Wolf Priest and Wolf Lord, since there is no dedicated model for either of them.

Which then begs the question of why the FETH have we lost all of the other special characters who could have been equally well served by a suitable conversion?! I mean for gawds sake they've got a ton of talented sculptors, painters and model makers sitting round at Nottingham. Give them a brief of "whoever does the best conversion gets it in the codex" and let them run riot.

Seriously, the loss of characters has been bugging the hell out of me, but I could kind of see the twisted IP logic they were using (didn't agree with it, but could comprehend it). But no, they were just us around

I will admit the Limited Edition looks pretty fancy

Erm, GK psychic cards?

Isn't daemonology sanctic already in the standard pack? Why on earth would they add another 7 cards unless they get another psychic discipline all to themselves?

 Elmir wrote:
Erm, GK psychic cards?

Isn't daemonology sanctic already in the standard pack? Why on earth would they add another 7 cards unless they get another psychic discipline all to themselves?

For people who didn't buy the full psychic set.

 pretre wrote:
From Grot Orderly:

Spoiler:

I can't speak for other countries, but in Australia those Long Fangs and Sky Claws are actually cheaper than Devastators and Assault Marines

 Elmir wrote:
Erm, GK psychic cards?

Isn't daemonology sanctic already in the standard pack? Why on earth would they add another 7 cards unless they get another psychic discipline all to themselves?

There are some GK powers that still need to be adressed, like warpquake and the one for purgation squads.

EDIT: Never mind I read the description, looks like its just the Sanctic cards again.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Elmir wrote:
Erm, GK psychic cards?

Isn't daemonology sanctic already in the standard pack? Why on earth would they add another 7 cards unless they get another psychic discipline all to themselves?

There are some GK powers that still need to be adressed, like warpquake and the one for purgation squads.

Those look to have been removed since the psy cards only have 7 for Sanctic.

Wow, just goes to show how empty this release really is... They are even repackaging 80% of the datacards to be "GK specific".

Jesus, I'm getting more let down by this release by the minute. One shouldn't feel this way when their primary army gets an update... :(

 Elmir wrote:
Wow, just goes to show how empty this release really is... They are even repackaging 80% of the datacards to be "GK specific".

Not even sure what this second sentence is complaining about...

Jesus, I'm getting more let down by this release by the minute. One shouldn't feel this way when their primary army gets an update... :(

It's an update, not a model release. It's happened before and will happen again. At least it is a physical book.

That Warriors of the Fang box... 32 models for $170. Which really isn't terrible compared to other games... until you realize that you need a lot more than 32 models to play 40k beyond trivial games.

That, in effect, is the problem. 32 models for $170 would be a reasonable price if that was a decent sized force to play the game.

 Elmir wrote:
Wow, just goes to show how empty this release really is... They are even repackaging 80% of the datacards to be "GK specific".

Jesus, I'm getting more let down by this release by the minute. One shouldn't feel this way when their primary army gets an update... :(

That's exactly how I feel. Told myself I'd stay positive, but no new models and a huge chunk of the army being removed.... and oh yeah buy these cards that you probably already have? The rules I this thing need to be awesome or I'm not gonna be playing much 40k

WayneTheGame wrote:
That Warriors of the Fang box... 32 models for $170. Which really isn't terrible compared to other games... until you realize that you need a lot more than 32 models to play 40k beyond trivial games.

That, in effect, is the problem. 32 models for $170 would be a reasonable price if that was a decent sized force.

It is a decent sized force.

New box: 1x SM Commander, 1x Long Fangs, 1x Sky Claws, 2x Space Wolves Pack, 1x Drop Pod.

Wolf Lord - 150
Long Fangs - 150
Sky Claws - 150
2 GH packs - 400
Drop Pod - 35

900 Points easy with mid-low estimates.

 pretre wrote:

It's an update, not a model release. It's happened before and will happen again. At least it is a physical book.

I think for some people it's the realization that this will be the only hardback release so far with literally zero new models and minimal new content. If the assumption is that the only new content is a warlord chart, some artifacts and point changes/removas, there's really no reason for a GK player to buy the new book. You can get everything from armybuilder, battlescribe or the like. Meh is all I have to say, nothing to get excited about.

 pretre wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
That Warriors of the Fang box... 32 models for $170. Which really isn't terrible compared to other games... until you realize that you need a lot more than 32 models to play 40k beyond trivial games.

That, in effect, is the problem. 32 models for $170 would be a reasonable price if that was a decent sized force.

It is a decent sized force.

New box: 1x SM Commander, 1x Long Fangs, 1x Sky Claws, 2x Space Wolves Pack, 1x Drop Pod.

Wolf Lord - 150
Long Fangs - 150
Sky Claws - 150
2 GH packs - 400
Drop Pod - 35

900 Points easy with mid-low estimates.

That one seems high to be honest. Aren't 5 of them 75pts?

Did anyone else notice the GK Strike Squad box is 10 models for 60 instead of 5 for 33?

 Thunderfrog wrote:
Did anyone else notice the GK Strike Squad box is 10 models for 60 instead of 5 for 33?

A discount? Madness!

 Thunderfrog wrote:
Did anyone else notice the GK Strike Squad box is 10 models for 60 instead of 5 for 33?

Yea it's pretty nice, I wonder if they will do a 5 man death company/10 man assault squad when BA get redone.

Wow, $6/model for Grey Knights Strike Squad.

I think the content of the Warriors of the Fang box was leaked before...anyone remember ?

Also, can I use the Nemesis Strike Force detachment along with a BT detachment and use the Rites of teleportation benefit ?


Who will save the world from chaos ? potential daemons chaos release ? maybe for both 40k and WHFB...new GK vs daemons sanctus reach release ?

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Thunderfrog wrote:
Did anyone else notice the GK Strike Squad box is 10 models for 60 instead of 5 for 33?

Yea it's pretty nice, I wonder if they will do a 5 man death company/10 man assault squad when BA get redone.

I guess I've been out of the market so long that $60 for 10 models seems ridiculous.