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My favorite codex cover is Space Wolves, I fell in love with it. I hate the Tau one and especially the GKs one. A huge let down. Really, PURPLE!!!

 Commander_Farsight wrote:
My favorite codex cover is Space Wolves, I fell in love with it. I hate the Tau one and especially the GKs one. A huge let down. Really, PURPLE!!!

You don't like the silver knight standing in the falling rain surrounded by the wisps of chaos?

The GK standing in rain is tongue in cheek humour on GW's part for how all GK players feel like right now

To all the folks enjoying this or saying "yay, more opportunities!" then just wait for 7E update. Just wait...

These actions are just going to be flushing people further out the door. If Psy-Bolt ammo is gone...

 Vasarto wrote:
Since its just a codex and no models, We will most likely see another that will be getting something new after this. Next week will be the official launch of the codex and maybe something fun for the codex will be revealed. Then we will start seeing new models for either Dark Eldar or Blood Angels. Most Likely it will be Dark Eldar.

..a possiblity of necrons instead? I am voting dark eldar though.

Necrons and DE def need the power boost and some new models.

*raised eyebrow*

I sit here with my BA hat on, but of those 3 Necrons are at the bottom of the list of armies requiring a power boost and their model range is pretty extensive. I can see DE coming next but will be pretty annoyed if Necrons are seen to before my own brand of special snowflake marines (and I'll be annoyed if we come before Necrons with a mediocre codex that also invalidates old wargear loadouts and army play styles. Basically, I'm going to be annoyed whatever happens).

sockwithaticket wrote:
and I'll be annoyed if we come before Necrons with a mediocre codex that also invalidates old wargear loadouts and army play styles. Basically, I'm going to be annoyed whatever happens.

It's gonna happen and you know it. Appreciate your ICs and special pieces of wargear while you still can.

 TheKbob wrote:
To all the folks enjoying this or saying "yay, more opportunities!" then just wait for 7E update. Just wait...

These actions are just going to be flushing people further out the door. If Psy-Bolt ammo is gone...

Spoiler:

if Psybolt ammo is gone I'm sure GK players will adapt.

I'm starting a GK list and if they remove Psybolt ammo I might look to a guard detachment to address my anti-armnor concerns.

well that or run my Grey Knights along side my Knight Paladin. my original plan was to actually run one but I was hoping to toss a psybolt rifleman dread on the table or two to divide some of the anti-tank firepower


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sockwithaticket wrote:

 Vasarto wrote:
Since its just a codex and no models, We will most likely see another that will be getting something new after this. Next week will be the official launch of the codex and maybe something fun for the codex will be revealed. Then we will start seeing new models for either Dark Eldar or Blood Angels. Most Likely it will be Dark Eldar.

..a possiblity of necrons instead? I am voting dark eldar though.

Necrons and DE def need the power boost and some new models.

*raised eyebrow*

I sit here with my BA hat on, but of those 3 Necrons are at the bottom of the list of armies requiring a power boost and their model range is pretty extensive. I can see DE coming next but will be pretty annoyed if Necrons are seen to before my own brand of special snowflake marines (and I'll be annoyed if we come before Necrons with a mediocre codex that also invalidates old wargear loadouts and army play styles. Basically, I'm going to be annoyed whatever happens).

yeah necrons, aren't they still considered a middle to top tier army?

sockwithaticket wrote:

 Vasarto wrote:
Since its just a codex and no models, We will most likely see another that will be getting something new after this. Next week will be the official launch of the codex and maybe something fun for the codex will be revealed. Then we will start seeing new models for either Dark Eldar or Blood Angels. Most Likely it will be Dark Eldar.

..a possiblity of necrons instead? I am voting dark eldar though.

Necrons and DE def need the power boost and some new models.

*raised eyebrow*

I sit here with my BA hat on, but of those 3 Necrons are at the bottom of the list of armies requiring a power boost and their model range is pretty extensive. I can see DE coming next but will be pretty annoyed if Necrons are seen to before my own brand of special snowflake marines (and I'll be annoyed if we come before Necrons with a mediocre codex that also invalidates old wargear loadouts and army play styles. Basically, I'm going to be annoyed whatever happens).

Im with you there, to a point. Necrons dont need an update, like... at all. Theyre good til the middle of next year. Everyone keeps saying dark eldar will be next but i actually highly doubt it. In the original 7th edition FAQs, orks, blood angels, space wolves, and grey knights were the only books that had something TAKEN OUT of them, psychic powers in particular. Of those 4, orks got the first update since they were a 4th ed book. Wolves were next because they were older than all the other books by at least a year. Grey knights got pushed through because their book had tons of stuff that was invalidated by 7th and you needed the FAQ just to effectively play the army. BA are the next logical step, since we lost our book specific psychic powers and had several units (mephiston, libby dreads, etc) that were built with those powers in mind. It would make sense, though whether this is right is still yet to be seen.

I have a feeling that theyll just bring our points costs in line with the other marine books, give us relics/warlord traits/psychic powers, and maybe 1 new model or unit. Unexciting, but ill be perfectly happy if thats the case.

BrianDavion wrote:

if Psybolt ammo is gone I'm sure GK players will adapt.

Oh, yea? With a good portion of the book deleted, with what?...

BrianDavion wrote:

...I might look to a guard detachment to address my anti-armnor concerns...

Ah, yes. The "spend another $50 on a rulebook and buy a complete second faction to make up for the removed capabilities in the book you previously had" tactic. Glad to see GW is being successful in this ruse. *Looks at the financials thread* Oh, wait...

 TheKbob wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

if Psybolt ammo is gone I'm sure GK players will adapt.

Oh, yea? With a good portion of the book deleted, with what?...

BrianDavion wrote:

...I might look to a guard detachment to address my anti-armnor concerns...

Ah, yes. The "spend another $50 on a rulebook and buy a complete second faction to make up for the removed capabilities in the book you previously had" tactic. Glad to see GW is being successful in this ruse. *Looks at the financials thread* Oh, wait...

In my case I specificly say I might look at a small guard detachment because I actually have one anyway. it'd literally cost me Nothing to toss a company command squad, 2 squads of veterns and a LR vanquisher in. I'm not saying this is needed, I am saying "well since I have this anyway, maybe I'll take a look at using it"

You hit the nail on the head.

In codex daemonhunter, Grey knights had to rely on inducted guardsmen to get any anti tank weaponry in their army.

Looks like with the amputation of this new codex and the possible loss of psybolt, it looks like they'll be back to resorting to the same tactics. Aaaaah GW, you can be quite amusing in your money grabbing.

 Elmir wrote:
You hit the nail on the head.

In codex daemonhunter, Grey knights had to rely on inducted guardsmen to get any anti tank weaponry in their army.

Looks like with the amputation of this new codex and the possible loss of psybolt, it looks like they'll be back to resorting to the same tactics. Aaaaah GW, you can be quite amusing in your money grabbing.

well I suppose you could sue a godhammer LR for a anti-tank. or a Dreadknight. there ARE options.

Just not as good.

So my question is seeing that grey knights are the only army whose terminators can't bring storm shields is there any news of them gaining that war gear because that would make me really happy.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Elmir wrote:
You hit the nail on the head.

In codex daemonhunter, Grey knights had to rely on inducted guardsmen to get any anti tank weaponry in their army.

Looks like with the amputation of this new codex and the possible loss of psybolt, it looks like they'll be back to resorting to the same tactics. Aaaaah GW, you can be quite amusing in your money grabbing.

well I suppose you could sue a godhammer LR for a anti-tank. or a Dreadknight. there ARE options.

Just not as good.

There's also Dreadnoughts with their wide array of weapon options and Stormravens. But none of that comes even remotely close being as fantastically cheap as psybolt ammo.

It may be worth mentioning that they're fairly good at AT with daemonhammers though. And if their deep striking has gotten (a little) better then they'd close the gap between themselves and the tanks they need to smash fairly quickly. That's usually the tactic I use anyway.

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
So my question is seeing that grey knights are the only army whose terminators can't bring storm shields is there any news of them gaining that war gear because that would make me really happy.

No. They aren't in the kit, so don't expect them to get them in the codex.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
So my question is seeing that grey knights are the only army whose terminators can't bring storm shields is there any news of them gaining that war gear because that would make me really happy.

No. They aren't in the kit, so don't expect them to get them in the codex.

So no rumors on maybe a repackage of the present kit?

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
So my question is seeing that grey knights are the only army whose terminators can't bring storm shields is there any news of them gaining that war gear because that would make me really happy.

No. They aren't in the kit, so don't expect them to get them in the codex.

So no rumors on maybe a repackage of the present kit?

No, the only repackage was the 10 man strike squad.

No Psybolt Ammo would flat out suck. I'm not even talking about the anti tank aspect of psybolt Autocannons and Assault Cannons. I'm looking at the Stormbolter every GK carries. That S5 Stormbolter is what helped my GK army actually be effective in the shooting phase compared to normal marines with bolters. We're already going to be outnumbered by regular marines, but at least the psybolt stormbolters helped even up the shooting a bit.

with no psybolt ammo, the GKs become a VERY CC reliant army as much of what gave them ranged strength is removed.


for example, their anti tank options are going to be a lascanon dread, or a Dreadknight. nothing else can reliably crack heavy armor.

After all this nonsense, we may still have no answer to Tau's long range firepower and ridiculously overpowered overwatch.

Why is it that the Grey Knights aren't apparently allowed to have ranged firepower? Are Daemons just immune to anything moving faster than a Hammer?

ForeverARookie wrote:
After all this nonsense, we may still have no answer to Tau's long range firepower and ridiculously overpowered overwatch.

Why is it that the Grey Knights aren't apparently allowed to have ranged firepower? Are Daemons just immune to anything moving faster than a Hammer?

GKs aren't really built as a shooty army. so expecting some sort of magic anti tau thing is a bit strange. that said, we do have the new nemisis formation, which DOES allow GKs to drop a heavy force in our opponents face on turn 1. it MIGHT be eneugh

BrianDavion wrote:

ForeverARookie wrote:
After all this nonsense, we may still have no answer to Tau's long range firepower and ridiculously overpowered overwatch.

Why is it that the Grey Knights aren't apparently allowed to have ranged firepower? Are Daemons just immune to anything moving faster than a Hammer?

GKs aren't really built as a shooty army. so expecting some sort of magic anti tau thing is a bit strange. that said, we do have the new nemisis formation, which DOES allow GKs to drop a heavy force in our opponents face on turn 1. it MIGHT be eneugh

Only if they still allow Grand Masters / Brother-Captains to take servo skulls. Or barring that, SOMETHING that makes DS more reliable.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

ForeverARookie wrote:
After all this nonsense, we may still have no answer to Tau's long range firepower and ridiculously overpowered overwatch.

Why is it that the Grey Knights aren't apparently allowed to have ranged firepower? Are Daemons just immune to anything moving faster than a Hammer?

GKs aren't really built as a shooty army. so expecting some sort of magic anti tau thing is a bit strange. that said, we do have the new nemisis formation, which DOES allow GKs to drop a heavy force in our opponents face on turn 1. it MIGHT be eneugh

Only if they still allow Grand Masters / Brother-Captains to take servo skulls. Or barring that, SOMETHING that makes DS more reliable.

Aren't three servo skulls just 39 points and an inquisitorial detachment away? Or is that considered bad form?

Servo Skulls can't be placed in enemy deployment zones, so dropping behind any enemy line would have full scatter. And a turn 1 drop can't even benefit from a Drop Pod with a Teleport Homer.

That doesn't change that fact that successfully charging the Tau is as hard as a lone psyker getting off a Psychic power when an entire Grey Knight army pools its dice to stop him.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

ForeverARookie wrote:
After all this nonsense, we may still have no answer to Tau's long range firepower and ridiculously overpowered overwatch.

Why is it that the Grey Knights aren't apparently allowed to have ranged firepower? Are Daemons just immune to anything moving faster than a Hammer?

GKs aren't really built as a shooty army. so expecting some sort of magic anti tau thing is a bit strange. that said, we do have the new nemisis formation, which DOES allow GKs to drop a heavy force in our opponents face on turn 1. it MIGHT be eneugh

Only if they still allow Grand Masters / Brother-Captains to take servo skulls. Or barring that, SOMETHING that makes DS more reliable.

I'm crossing my fingers for a new peice of wargear, or warlord trait

Well, the new WD offers some more insight into the new GK codex.
It appears that the new GK were designed as an ally force or a main detachment make use of allies, fighting side by side with battle brothers.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, the new WD offers some more insight into the new GK codex.
It appears that the new GK were designed as an ally force or a main detachment make use of allies, fighting side by side with battle brothers.

for me this would be a real bummer. I just started my Grey Knight army because they are the only Imperial army that really appealed to me in terms of looks, and
playing with friends or competitively is also a big factor. If the codex comes out and it sucks, then I can't do anything about it, but I think i'd prefer that than
a codex designed to have allies or be an allied attachment. Anyway that's just my personal preference, as I'd just like to play only grey knights.

 akwing00 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, the new WD offers some more insight into the new GK codex.
It appears that the new GK were designed as an ally force or a main detachment make use of allies, fighting side by side with battle brothers.

for me this would be a real bummer. I just started my Grey Knight army because they are the only Imperial army that really appealed to me in terms of looks, and
playing with friends or competitively is also a big factor. If the codex comes out and it sucks, then I can't do anything about it, but I think i'd prefer that than
a codex designed to have allies or be an allied attachment. Anyway that's just my personal preference, as I'd just like to play only grey knights.

Well, against a very shooty or horde army, a GK army with models from the new GK codex only, will play an uphill battle.
Not sure if there is light at the horizon. Termies got cheaper, the same holds for the DK's weapons and teleporter. Moreover, the new GK can deep strike in round 1.
So if played smartly (deep striking to overwhelm one enemy flank), this may work.

Of course we WILL see dual heavy psycannon dreadknights to bring in some anti horde firepower

 Sir Arun wrote:
Of course we WILL see dual heavy psycannon dreadknights to bring in some anti horde firepower

If so, I'd opt for dual heavy incinerators.

The new GK a new force organization chart with 2 HS, 2 FA, and 4 Elite slots.
Since Dreadnoughts seem to be Elite, you could play 2 DK's and up to 4 Dreads.
Buth then you would need some cheap units for scoring which you could only integrate via allies.